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		<title>By: BigBa</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/16/pirates-in-the-parliament/comment-page-1/#comment-280134</link>
		<dc:creator>BigBa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JulesLt,

I&#039;m not so sure we can take the de-linking of illegal downloading and freedom of expression for granted. 

Now, maybe I&#039;m just addled from fantasies of free-wheeling oral culture unlocking the radical potential of folk in an anarchist utopia disco-dance festival of joy and delight, but it strikes me that the ability to get culture/information/ideas/opinions is a prerequisite for producing culture/information/ideas/opinions. 

Because, 1) before anybody will listen, you gotta know the lingo, and 2) this is the RE-MIX! Uh! Uh! (Because a copy-righted Daedalus means no &lt;i&gt;Puzzle Master&lt;/i&gt;, right?)

Now, that may not mean that everyone should be able to download willynilly, but I do think freedom of speech is at least relevant to the discussion. Even if it&#039;s a discussion of fresh hot amateur newdz and old Elvis albums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>JulesLt,</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m not so sure we can take the de-linking of illegal downloading and freedom of expression for granted.</p>

	<p>Now, maybe I&#8217;m just addled from fantasies of free-wheeling oral culture unlocking the radical potential of folk in an anarchist utopia disco-dance festival of joy and delight, but it strikes me that the ability to get culture/information/ideas/opinions is a prerequisite for producing culture/information/ideas/opinions.</p>

	<p>Because, 1) before anybody will listen, you gotta know the lingo, and 2) this is the RE-MIX! Uh! Uh! (Because a copy-righted Daedalus means no <i>Puzzle Master</i>, right?)</p>

	<p>Now, that may not mean that everyone should be able to download willynilly, but I do think freedom of speech is at least relevant to the discussion. Even if it&#8217;s a discussion of fresh hot amateur newdz and old Elvis albums.</p>
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		<title>By: David Weman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Weman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would guess they&#039;ll join ALDE, it seems a better fit. Falkvinge&#039;s a libertarian, their MEP is a former member of the conventionl liberal party. Overall they&#039;re ideologically diverse but seem mostly rightleaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I would guess they&#8217;ll join <span class="caps">ALDE</span>, it seems a better fit. Falkvinge&#8217;s a libertarian, their <span class="caps">MEP</span> is a former member of the conventionl liberal party. Overall they&#8217;re ideologically diverse but seem mostly rightleaning.</p>
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		<title>By: David Weman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Weman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least going by their own statements, the Pirate Party&#039;s more focus on civil liberties than file sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>At least going by their own statements, the Pirate Party&#8217;s more focus on civil liberties than file sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: JulesLt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/16/pirates-in-the-parliament/comment-page-1/#comment-279691</link>
		<dc:creator>JulesLt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was sat on a train a few weeks back and heard some guy talking about how &#039;the government&#039; were going to stop downloading, and &#039;whatever happened to freedom of speech&#039;. At which point I wanted to join in and tell him that downloading Hollywood films for free has absolutely nothing to do with his right to express his opinion without persecution.

Obviously, the prospect on not being able to take without contributing exercised him far more than, say, the re-introduction of detention without criminal charge or trial, or stop and search, or the wide misuse of anti-terrorism laws against legitimate protest.

Now I don&#039;t know about in Sweden, but certainly in the UK their are politicians who have publicly opposed those far more important issues, without appealing to the sit-at-home so called copyright reformers - who - and I will keep re-iterating this point - generally seem to express a large preference for the products of the Hollywood studios, porn firms, and major music labels, rather than the output of people producing amateur film and music for free)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was sat on a train a few weeks back and heard some guy talking about how &#8216;the government&#8217; were going to stop downloading, and &#8216;whatever happened to freedom of speech&#8217;. At which point I wanted to join in and tell him that downloading Hollywood films for free has absolutely nothing to do with his right to express his opinion without persecution.</p>

	<p>Obviously, the prospect on not being able to take without contributing exercised him far more than, say, the re-introduction of detention without criminal charge or trial, or stop and search, or the wide misuse of anti-terrorism laws against legitimate protest.</p>

	<p>Now I don&#8217;t know about in Sweden, but certainly in the UK their are politicians who have publicly opposed those far more important issues, without appealing to the sit-at-home so called copyright reformers &#8211; who &#8211; and I will keep re-iterating this point &#8211; generally seem to express a large preference for the products of the Hollywood studios, porn firms, and major music labels, rather than the output of people producing amateur film and music for free)</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Christensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so much a comment as a couple of links:

The Swedish electoral researcher Henrik Oscarsson has a very good blog (in Swedish) where he has discussed where PP&#039;s voters came from, etc.

His posts concerning PP &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.henrikoscarsson.com/search/label/piratpartiet&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;are here&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, Christian Engström has a blog (also in Swedish) - and no, he hasn&#039;t answered your questions but maybe a closer reading of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/category/demokrati-i-eu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Demokrati i EU&quot;&lt;/a&gt; posts will give a clue.

Well, once you&#039;ve run those blogs through Google Translate, they&#039;ll probably sound like the Swedish chef... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not so much a comment as a couple of links:</p>

	<p>The Swedish electoral researcher Henrik Oscarsson has a very good blog (in Swedish) where he has discussed where PP&#8217;s voters came from, etc.</p>

	<p>His posts concerning <span class="caps">PP </span><a href="http://www.henrikoscarsson.com/search/label/piratpartiet" rel="nofollow">are here</a>.</p>

	<p>Also, Christian Engstr&#246;m has a blog (also in Swedish) &#8211; and no, he hasn&#8217;t answered your questions but maybe a closer reading of the <a href="http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/category/demokrati-i-eu/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Demokrati i EU&#8221;</a> posts will give a clue.</p>

	<p>Well, once you&#8217;ve run those blogs through Google Translate, they&#8217;ll probably sound like the Swedish chef&#8230; :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My inner etymology geek would love to see the Pirate Party pull off a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=filibuster&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;filibuster&lt;/a&gt;. Sadly, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much scope for that in the European Parliament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My inner etymology geek would love to see the Pirate Party pull off a <a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=filibuster" rel="nofollow">filibuster</a>. Sadly, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much scope for that in the European Parliament.</p>
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