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		<title>By: Salient</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280855</link>
		<dc:creator>Salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’d really like to buy Salient lunch for sharing with us the majesty of #13.&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks! You may also enjoy John&#039;s very fun &lt;a href=&quot;http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/22/periplum-perspectives-ready-the-dinghy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;periplum&lt;/a&gt; thread, to which I contributed the Stevens parody &lt;a href=&quot;http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/22/periplum-perspectives-ready-the-dinghy/#comment-273561&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Periplum&lt;/a&gt;, which managed to &lt;i&gt;not be the best poem in the comment section.&lt;/i&gt; A fellow by moniker Bad Jim achieved ambrosian immortality and brought back a little to share with us. Good times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I&#8217;d really like to buy Salient lunch for sharing with us the majesty of #13.</i></p>

	<p>Thanks! You may also enjoy John&#8217;s very fun <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/22/periplum-perspectives-ready-the-dinghy/" rel="nofollow">periplum</a> thread, to which I contributed the Stevens parody <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/22/periplum-perspectives-ready-the-dinghy/#comment-273561" rel="nofollow">Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Periplum</a>, which managed to <i>not be the best poem in the comment section.</i> A fellow by moniker Bad Jim achieved ambrosian immortality and brought back a little to share with us. Good times.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280852</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeping the self from the self. This sounds more like Hobbes than the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Keeping the self from the self. This sounds more like Hobbes than the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Billiken</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280825</link>
		<dc:creator>Billiken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex Prior

You might enjoy these lines from an old song:

If you will not when you may,
You shall not when you will, sir.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@Alex Prior</p>

	<p>You might enjoy these lines from an old song:</p>

	<p>If you will not when you may,<br />
You shall not when you will, sir.</p>

	<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Prior</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280812</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Prior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While jargon is a minor problem for humanities academics communicating with the world in general, a far greater problem problem is a general failure to understand the English language.  Having finished editing my wife&#039;s PhD last year, I was stunned by the almost universal failure to distinguish between &quot;might&quot;, &quot;may&quot; and &quot;can&quot;.  Would it be wrong to actually physically insert a copy of Fowler&#039;s Modern English Usage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While jargon is a minor problem for humanities academics communicating with the world in general, a far greater problem problem is a general failure to understand the English language.  Having finished editing my wife&#8217;s PhD last year, I was stunned by the almost universal failure to distinguish between &#8220;might&#8221;, &#8220;may&#8221; and &#8220;can&#8221;.  Would it be wrong to actually physically insert a copy of Fowler&#8217;s Modern English Usage?</p>
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		<title>By: Wilson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280798</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. For clarity&#039;s sake, let&#039;s make that &lt;i&gt;And the biggest [“]self[,” or source of danger,] of [any] self&lt;/i&gt; ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmm. For clarity&#8217;s sake, let&#8217;s make that <i>And the biggest [&#8220;]self[,&#8221; or source of danger,] of [any] self</i> &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280796</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excluding, for the moment, the possibility of a slip of the tongue, here&#039;s how I would work it out:

&lt;i&gt;God&#039;s law ... is not a moral, rigid list of do’s and don’ts just for the heck of do’s and don’ts, it is indeed [instituted] to protect us from ourselves. And the biggest [&quot;]self[,&quot; or source of sin,] of [any] self is indeed self[ishness]. [This is the case, that is,] If sin is in fact grounded in this notion of what is it that I want, as opposed to somebody else.&lt;/i&gt;

Or, pretty much what Kevin Robbins said.  Sanford&#039;s point is identifiable as a pretty standard Christian understanding of sin.  In fact, I would not be shocked to hear an evangelical pastor using the &quot;biggest self of self is indeed self&quot; line in a sermon.  The audience would understand perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Excluding, for the moment, the possibility of a slip of the tongue, here&#8217;s how I would work it out:</p>

	<p><i>God&#8217;s law &#8230; is not a moral, rigid list of do&#8217;s and don&#8217;ts just for the heck of do&#8217;s and don&#8217;ts, it is indeed [instituted] to protect us from ourselves. And the biggest [&#8220;]self[,&#8221; or source of sin,] of [any] self is indeed self[ishness]. [This is the case, that is,] If sin is in fact grounded in this notion of what is it that I want, as opposed to somebody else.</i></p>

	<p>Or, pretty much what Kevin Robbins said.  Sanford&#8217;s point is identifiable as a pretty standard Christian understanding of sin.  In fact, I would not be shocked to hear an evangelical pastor using the &#8220;biggest self of self is indeed self&#8221; line in a sermon.  The audience would understand perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Wotsthedeal</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280770</link>
		<dc:creator>Wotsthedeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going with the double anticipation theory as an answer to the question itself.

However, this journey has been far more valuable to me than the destination: I&#039;d really like to buy Salient lunch for sharing with us the majesty of #13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m going with the double anticipation theory as an answer to the question itself.</p>

	<p>However, this journey has been far more valuable to me than the destination: I&#8217;d really like to buy Salient lunch for sharing with us the majesty of #13.</p>
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		<title>By: Billiken</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280756</link>
		<dc:creator>Billiken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And the biggest self of self is indeed self. If sin is in fact grounded in this notion of what is it that I want, as opposed to somebody else.&quot;

I think it is a slip of the tongue, that he meant to say that the biggest sin of self is self. That is in line with Christian theology that says that sin is separation from God, and that the main thing that separates us from God is our limited, individual self, which differentiates us and separates us from God and others. 

I also found this statement of interest: &quot;But I’m here because if you were to look at God’s laws, in every instance it is designed to protect people from themselves. &quot;

I have to wonder if he follows the Republican line that man&#039;s law should not protect people from themselves. If so, then the question arises, why should God&#039;s law do that but not man&#039;s law? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;And the biggest self of self is indeed self. If sin is in fact grounded in this notion of what is it that I want, as opposed to somebody else.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I think it is a slip of the tongue, that he meant to say that the biggest sin of self is self. That is in line with Christian theology that says that sin is separation from God, and that the main thing that separates us from God is our limited, individual self, which differentiates us and separates us from God and others.</p>

	<p>I also found this statement of interest: &#8220;But I&#8217;m here because if you were to look at God&#8217;s laws, in every instance it is designed to protect people from themselves. &#8221;</p>

	<p>I have to wonder if he follows the Republican line that man&#8217;s law should not protect people from themselves. If so, then the question arises, why should God&#8217;s law do that but not man&#8217;s law? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Drake</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280744</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Cheney might have observed, &quot;Go fuck your biggest self of self.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As Cheney might have observed, &#8220;Go fuck your biggest self of self.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: skidmarx</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280736</link>
		<dc:creator>skidmarx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>self(three)servings</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Silverman</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280724</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1537&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Language Log&lt;/a&gt; they suggested that he meant to say &quot;The biggest &lt;b&gt;source&lt;/b&gt; of &lt;b&gt;sin&lt;/b&gt; is self&quot;, and, in the heat of the moment, anticipated &quot;self&quot; twice. Single anticipations of a word like this are a common speech error; double anticipations are rare, but not impossible. And in favour of this, the word being substituted, &quot;self&quot;, would have been salient and prominent in his mind as he was producing the sentence (since it was kind of the point of what he was saying), and the target words, &quot;source&quot; and &quot;sin&quot;, have some resemblance in sound to &quot;self&quot;&#8212;all monosyllables, with the shared &quot;s&quot; at the start. These are the sort of things that make anticipations more likely.

Attempting to extract a mystical meaning from the original is maybe more fun, but, at a certain point, mystery crosses the line into gibberish, and you have to ask yourself if that was really what he meant to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Over at <a href="http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1537" rel="nofollow">Language Log</a> they suggested that he meant to say &#8220;The biggest <b>source</b> of <b>sin</b> is self&#8221;, and, in the heat of the moment, anticipated &#8220;self&#8221; twice. Single anticipations of a word like this are a common speech error; double anticipations are rare, but not impossible. And in favour of this, the word being substituted, &#8220;self&#8221;, would have been salient and prominent in his mind as he was producing the sentence (since it was kind of the point of what he was saying), and the target words, &#8220;source&#8221; and &#8220;sin&#8221;, have some resemblance in sound to &#8220;self&#8221;&mdash;all monosyllables, with the shared &#8220;s&#8221; at the start. These are the sort of things that make anticipations more likely.</p>

	<p>Attempting to extract a mystical meaning from the original is maybe more fun, but, at a certain point, mystery crosses the line into gibberish, and you have to ask yourself if that was really what he meant to say.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280716</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@34 - or a pile of crap; which may be the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@34 &#8211; or a pile of crap; which may be the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: michael paleologus</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280707</link>
		<dc:creator>michael paleologus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanford, a Lacanian! Who knew?

Following Zizek (c.f. http://www.lacan.com/zizekother.htm) Sanford asserts the inexistence of the big Other, and indeed notes the futility of the injunction to BEHAVE in the name of the big Other, and instead succumbs to its obscene underside. The big self is therefore none other than itself.

Sanford has uttered undoubtedly the most psychoanalytically sophisticated political enunciation of the nature of protestant selfhood of this century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sanford, a Lacanian! Who knew?</p>

	<p>Following Zizek (c.f. <a href="http://www.lacan.com/zizekother.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.lacan.com/zizekother.htm</a>) Sanford asserts the inexistence of the big Other, and indeed notes the futility of the injunction to <span class="caps">BEHAVE</span> in the name of the big Other, and instead succumbs to its obscene underside. The big self is therefore none other than itself.</p>

	<p>Sanford has uttered undoubtedly the most psychoanalytically sophisticated political enunciation of the nature of protestant selfhood of this century.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280693</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, that sounds like bullshit; how does it protect us from us? Morality protects us from others, and others from us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nah, that sounds like bullshit; how does it protect us from us? Morality protects us from others, and others from us.</p>
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		<title>By: mcd</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/25/the-self-of-self/comment-page-1/#comment-280692</link>
		<dc:creator>mcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems sensible to me- there&#039;s one word wrong. Should be &quot;the biggest enemy of self is self&quot;. And thus morality protects us from us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seems sensible to me- there&#8217;s one word wrong. Should be &#8220;the biggest enemy of self is self&#8221;. And thus morality protects us from us.</p>
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