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		<title>By: william c. flax</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-281049</link>
		<dc:creator>william c. flax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The administration had opened a format that follows real transparency and the administration doesn&#039;t need my comment - &quot;So, Obama administration, I come away .................................................................................................................... with consensus, that a solid majority want all servicemen to have due diligence and senatorial and congressional  approval, and must be frankly not willing to wait or be tested;&quot; &quot; In favor of the honorable President Barack Obama using his status as  
.................................................................................................................... commander in chief war-time, the first or second - &quot;O&#039;grams to be a permanent here to for, You degree all enlisted men and Officers covering retroactive documentation that No person in the Arm Forces of the United States&#039; under the Constitution and all of its armament  be hereto forth come under Commander in Chief&#039;s  order removing all sanctions or disciplinary action or proscribed rule(s) and interpretation(s) by
....................................................................................................................              C,I,C  do repeal said action for any gay, lesbian, member of the arm forces to follow military order, by way of O&#039;Gram to offer and reverse any order not conforming to this O&#039;Gram.  dated--------------------------, President and Commander in Chief, witnessed by: a,b,c,d,e, etc., etc.,...............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The administration had opened a format that follows real transparency and the administration doesn&#8217;t need my comment &#8211; &#8220;So, Obama administration, I come away &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. with consensus, that a solid majority want all servicemen to have due diligence and senatorial and congressional  approval, and must be frankly not willing to wait or be tested;&#8221; &#8221; In favor of the honorable President Barack Obama using his status as<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. commander in chief war-time, the first or second &#8211; &#8220;O&#8217;grams to be a permanent here to for, You degree all enlisted men and Officers covering retroactive documentation that No person in the Arm Forces of the United States&#8217; under the Constitution and all of its armament  be hereto forth come under Commander in Chief&#8217;s  order removing all sanctions or disciplinary action or proscribed rule(s) and interpretation(s) by<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..              C,I,C  do repeal said action for any gay, lesbian, member of the arm forces to follow military order, by way of O&#8217;Gram to offer and reverse any order not conforming to this O&#8217;Gram.  dated&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;, President and Commander in Chief, witnessed by: a,b,c,d,e, etc., etc.,&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Zen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-281046</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen Tompkins is right but almost entirely beside the point. Obama has a program whatever the state of your polity, and his program does not accord with his promises. This remains true whether you believe that his program should not be accorded the importance it is or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Glen Tompkins is right but almost entirely beside the point. Obama has a program whatever the state of your polity, and his program does not accord with his promises. This remains true whether you believe that his program should not be accorded the importance it is or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Observer</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-281040</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; OK, I’ll second, -erm fourth with Glen T. said. We in the US had
&gt;  become used to a unitary executive. Watching a president wait for
&gt;  something to flow through the entire sewer of American government
&gt;  is … weird now, and does not inspire patience.

And again, for the 27,127th time:  if Obama and his Justice Dept were simply dutifully *defending* the quasi-dictatorial &quot;unitary executive&quot; precedent put in place by Cheney and Addington,  I (and many like-minded people) could understand that.  I still wouldn&#039;t like it, but I could accept it in the short term as a process of &quot;laws not men&quot; (disregarding for the moment the fact that men named Cheney, Addington, Yoo, etc. deliberately broke the then-existing laws to create the new environment that is supposedly now our law).

But that ISN&#039;T what is happening.  Obama and his lawyers are not only dutifully defending the Cheney/Addington philosophy, they are deploying it aggressively and with relish, and in some cases seeking to *extend* it to greater heights of dictatorial power.  That I cannot accept as &quot;11-dimensional chess&quot; or &quot;keeping the powder dry&quot;, because it is a flat-out repudiation of why I and many many others worked in the campaign and the promises that were made then.

Cranky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>> OK, I&#8217;ll second, -erm fourth with Glen T. said. We in the US had<br />
>  become used to a unitary executive. Watching a president wait for<br />
>  something to flow through the entire sewer of American government<br />
>  is &#8230; weird now, and does not inspire patience.</p>

	<p>And again, for the 27,127th time:  if Obama and his Justice Dept were simply dutifully <strong>defending</strong> the quasi-dictatorial &#8220;unitary executive&#8221; precedent put in place by Cheney and Addington,  I (and many like-minded people) could understand that.  I still wouldn&#8217;t like it, but I could accept it in the short term as a process of &#8220;laws not men&#8221; (disregarding for the moment the fact that men named Cheney, Addington, Yoo, etc. deliberately broke the then-existing laws to create the new environment that is supposedly now our law).</p>

	<p>But that <span class="caps">ISN</span>&#8217;T what is happening.  Obama and his lawyers are not only dutifully defending the Cheney/Addington philosophy, they are deploying it aggressively and with relish, and in some cases seeking to <strong>extend</strong> it to greater heights of dictatorial power.  That I cannot accept as &#8220;11-dimensional chess&#8221; or &#8220;keeping the powder dry&#8221;, because it is a flat-out repudiation of why I and many many others worked in the campaign and the promises that were made then.</p>

	<p>Cranky</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-281021</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see that you guys really despise excessive presidential power, but what about excessive federal power? I suspect you don&#039;t mind that at all, do you? Only wingnuts do; Ron Paul, and other crazy people. One is too few, but 600 people deciding what&#039;s good for 300 million (plus a big chunk of the rest of the world) is quite alright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I can see that you guys really despise excessive presidential power, but what about excessive federal power? I suspect you don&#8217;t mind that at all, do you? Only wingnuts do; Ron Paul, and other crazy people. One is too few, but 600 people deciding what&#8217;s good for 300 million (plus a big chunk of the rest of the world) is quite alright.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-281013</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ll second, -erm fourth with Glen T. said.  We in the US had become used to a unitary executive.  Watching a president wait for something to flow through the entire sewer of American government is ... weird now, and does not inspire patience.  

Also, he seems to want to focus on kitchen table issues first.  This, too, is a massive break from the past, where the installation of Karl Rove in several, simultaneous positions of policymaking authority metastasized the tendency to play everything according to how it would play with their base, which meant that ideological hot-button issues came first, not last.  The result is that this president is more popular overall than the last, but has more problems with his base from day to day.  

This is not to say that the detention and transparency issues are not real conflicts.  Justice delayed, as they say ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OK, I&#8217;ll second, -erm fourth with Glen T. said.  We in the US had become used to a unitary executive.  Watching a president wait for something to flow through the entire sewer of American government is &#8230; weird now, and does not inspire patience.</p>

	<p>Also, he seems to want to focus on kitchen table issues first.  This, too, is a massive break from the past, where the installation of Karl Rove in several, simultaneous positions of policymaking authority metastasized the tendency to play everything according to how it would play with their base, which meant that ideological hot-button issues came first, not last.  The result is that this president is more popular overall than the last, but has more problems with his base from day to day.</p>

	<p>This is not to say that the detention and transparency issues are not real conflicts.  Justice delayed, as they say &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: vivian</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-280941</link>
		<dc:creator>vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, what Glen Tomkins said. Include him in the paper.</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-280940</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an old post ( wonkette I think) which draws attention to the practice of distingushing between a politicians &quot;real&quot; views and a politicians &quot;public views&quot; the point being that in the confused, torn, overworked and presumably malleable mind of a politician, constantly changing to correct for cognitive dissonance, constantly updating priors for less than rational reasons, there may be no &quot;real&quot; or &quot;core&quot; set of beliefs lurking under the surface to be uncovered.
 
On this view there are trends and pulls certainly, but not necessairly anything solid or stable. How this interacts with the practical question, what should we do to put Obama&#039;s feet to the fire, I&#039;m not sure, but I think it&#039;s worth considering in debates like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s an old post ( wonkette I think) which draws attention to the practice of distingushing between a politicians &#8220;real&#8221; views and a politicians &#8220;public views&#8221; the point being that in the confused, torn, overworked and presumably malleable mind of a politician, constantly changing to correct for cognitive dissonance, constantly updating priors for less than rational reasons, there may be no &#8220;real&#8221; or &#8220;core&#8221; set of beliefs lurking under the surface to be uncovered.</p>

	<p>On this view there are trends and pulls certainly, but not necessairly anything solid or stable. How this interacts with the practical question, what should we do to put Obama&#8217;s feet to the fire, I&#8217;m not sure, but I think it&#8217;s worth considering in debates like this.</p>
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		<title>By: omega Centauri</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-280923</link>
		<dc:creator>omega Centauri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people tend to be a little simplistic about the release of torture photos issue. At least in that case, he is trying to manage a measured pace withdrawal from Iraq, and the risk of the security situation over there is real. Then the president of said country goes into serious panic mode over the planned release, and Obama agrees to stop the release in order to preserve the security situation for Maliki. So at least in this case, I think he has chosen the lessor of evils.

   For the other issues I&#039;m not so sure. But, I do think that his general view of where he&#039;d like the country to go isn&#039;t too different from my own. And if I were in his place I would be doing continuous political calculations over how to eventually achieve as much as possible of my agenda. So I am not disheartened, I still think he will accomplish as much as he thinks he can. Its just that I think he is playing the deliberate general -carefully choosing which battles should be fought when,and on which ground they should be fought, and during the most favorable weather conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think people tend to be a little simplistic about the release of torture photos issue. At least in that case, he is trying to manage a measured pace withdrawal from Iraq, and the risk of the security situation over there is real. Then the president of said country goes into serious panic mode over the planned release, and Obama agrees to stop the release in order to preserve the security situation for Maliki. So at least in this case, I think he has chosen the lessor of evils.</p>

	<p>For the other issues I&#8217;m not so sure. But, I do think that his general view of where he&#8217;d like the country to go isn&#8217;t too different from my own. And if I were in his place I would be doing continuous political calculations over how to eventually achieve as much as possible of my agenda. So I am not disheartened, I still think he will accomplish as much as he thinks he can. Its just that I think he is playing the deliberate general -carefully choosing which battles should be fought when,and on which ground they should be fought, and during the most favorable weather conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-280922</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is doing what all politicians do: trading favors. He keeps quiet on wiretapping and DADT right now, so he can get the beloved consensus to get behind his health care reform. Then once that&#039;s through, he can revisit the other topics that he&#039;s pushed to the back burner. That these other topics are human rights violations, knots in constitutional ethics and cherished topics of single-issue voters is the frustrating part.

While I&#039;m optimistic that these matters will be addressed in the other3.5 years of his first term, I&#039;m pessimistic as to their outcomes because, as we constantly need to remind ourselves, Obama is a politician and he is lieing to us.

Sure, it&#039;s a sweeter, higher grade lie than the cut rate schwag lies we got peddled for the last 8 years, but still lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Obama is doing what all politicians do: trading favors. He keeps quiet on wiretapping and <span class="caps">DADT</span> right now, so he can get the beloved consensus to get behind his health care reform. Then once that&#8217;s through, he can revisit the other topics that he&#8217;s pushed to the back burner. That these other topics are human rights violations, knots in constitutional ethics and cherished topics of single-issue voters is the frustrating part.</p>

	<p>While I&#8217;m optimistic that these matters will be addressed in the other3.5 years of his first term, I&#8217;m pessimistic as to their outcomes because, as we constantly need to remind ourselves, Obama is a politician and he is lieing to us.</p>

	<p>Sure, it&#8217;s a sweeter, higher grade lie than the cut rate schwag lies we got peddled for the last 8 years, but still lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-280912</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How, if at all does such a situation differ from one in which Obama is a natural centrist wants to backslide on promises made to secure his base in the election year, but can be held to his promises by sufficiently vociferous pressure?&quot;

This is sort of what I have been wondering.  On gay issues for example (Don&#039;t Ask, Don&#039;t Tell or DOMA or the Travel Ban) I want to trust him, but I wonder how long I have to wait before I can fairly start to worry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;How, if at all does such a situation differ from one in which Obama is a natural centrist wants to backslide on promises made to secure his base in the election year, but can be held to his promises by sufficiently vociferous pressure?&#8221;</p>

	<p>This is sort of what I have been wondering.  On gay issues for example (Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell or <span class="caps">DOMA</span> or the Travel Ban) I want to trust him, but I wonder how long I have to wait before I can fairly start to worry.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-280911</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is this &quot;public pressure&quot; and how is it applied these days? 
In that FDR quote, he&#039;s probably talking about a general strike that would paralyze a half of the country or something. That&#039;s public pressure. Some guy writing something in his blog? No pressure whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What is this &#8220;public pressure&#8221; and how is it applied these days?<br />
In that <span class="caps">FDR</span> quote, he&#8217;s probably talking about a general strike that would paralyze a half of the country or something. That&#8217;s public pressure. Some guy writing something in his blog? No pressure whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raven</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-280907</link>
		<dc:creator>The Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Glen Tompkins says.

But also, it strikes me that in areas where the Senate conservatives aren&#039;t likely to react, Obama has been quite progressive. Consider executive appointments at the lower ranks, and Obama&#039;s science policy. One thing the Obama presidency highlights is the power and dominance of the Senate conservatives. The W. Bush administration was indeed an imperial presidency. But, with Obama in the White House, it&#039;s clear that the Senate conservatives and W. Bush were covering for each other, so that responsibility could not be place. I am actually more hopeful of Obama than I was before the election. But if we are going to have a progressive government, we need to achieve a progressive, or at least moderate, Senate, and so far we do not have that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What Glen Tompkins says.</p>

	<p>But also, it strikes me that in areas where the Senate conservatives aren&#8217;t likely to react, Obama has been quite progressive. Consider executive appointments at the lower ranks, and Obama&#8217;s science policy. One thing the Obama presidency highlights is the power and dominance of the Senate conservatives. The W. Bush administration was indeed an imperial presidency. But, with Obama in the White House, it&#8217;s clear that the Senate conservatives and W. Bush were covering for each other, so that responsibility could not be place. I am actually more hopeful of Obama than I was before the election. But if we are going to have a progressive government, we need to achieve a progressive, or at least moderate, Senate, and so far we do not have that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-280904</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Kevin; missed out your &#039;v&#039;.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-280903</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kein Goodman @10- I don&#039;t think the talking-about-Iran business was meant to be included in the civil liberties point. Though I share your bafflement about whatever it is that&#039;s is being said about Obama and Iran, which latter is in any case not necessarily quite as the default consensus would seem to have it*. 

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(*Off-topic examples suggesting the not-exactly-outlandish possibility of outside interference in Iran: a piece by the excellent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew05022008.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew Cockburn&lt;/a&gt;, and a mildly interesting report from a somewhat (I suspect not entirely deservedly) disreputable  source who&#039;s in any case AFAICT reliable enough factually, once obvious ranting and conclusion-jumping is factored out: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirReaders/english/ChartingStocks--Twitter-Spammers-Attack-Iran.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Israel Shamir&#039;s comments on Twitter&lt;/a&gt;. Also somewhat relevant, in its premise alone, the recent post &lt;a href=&quot;http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/15/thats-no-way-to-steal-an-election/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;That&#039;s no Way to Steal an Election&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kein Goodman @10- I don&#8217;t think the talking-about-Iran business was meant to be included in the civil liberties point. Though I share your bafflement about whatever it is that&#8217;s is being said about Obama and Iran, which latter is in any case not necessarily quite as the default consensus would seem to have it*.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;(*Off-topic examples suggesting the not-exactly-outlandish possibility of outside interference in Iran: a piece by the excellent <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew05022008.html" rel="nofollow">Andrew Cockburn</a>, and a mildly interesting report from a somewhat (I suspect not entirely deservedly) disreputable  source who&#8217;s in any case <span class="caps">AFAICT</span> reliable enough factually, once obvious ranting and conclusion-jumping is factored out: <a href="http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirReaders/english/ChartingStocks--Twitter-Spammers-Attack-Iran.php" rel="nofollow">Israel Shamir&#8217;s comments on Twitter</a>. Also somewhat relevant, in its premise alone, the recent post <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/15/thats-no-way-to-steal-an-election/#comments" rel="nofollow">That&#8217;s no Way to Steal an Election</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Goodman</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/29/two-steps-behind/comment-page-1/#comment-280902</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=11832#comment-280902</guid>
		<description>@ novakant 

Thnx - that is a point to note</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@ novakant</p>

	<p>Thnx &#8211; that is a point to note</p>
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