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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/washington-post-really-crashes-and-burns-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-281233</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Make quiet arrangements to sell access for money.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t see how this would amount to selling access or to influence-peddling. If I&#039;m willing to spend $25K, I don&#039;t need anyone&#039;s help to get access, that&#039;s what fundraisers are for. No, I see this as a brilliant and much needed innovation of the archaic political system. 

Consider the way things work now: Businessman (B) hires a lobbyist who bribes Politician (P). P then employs Thinktank Demagogue (D) to provide him with rationalizations and talking points. D will have to be compensated by B somehow. Finally, Newspaper-Man (N) is brought in to disseminate the talking points. 

In the modern (and very complex) world this business model is clearly inefficient and prone to failure. What if B doesn&#039;t like the news/opinion articles produced by N? That is a clear possibility, because, as it happens, N has no clear contractual obligation; he operates in undignified manner, similar to the guy who volunteers to clean your windshield at a traffic light. All in all, this business model is chaotic, ambiguous, and uncertain.

Bringing everyone involved, all the key participants together in one room, to spec out the final product and negotiate the fees, is the most natural evolutionary step. Yes, it was prevented today, but it&#039;ll happen again tomorrow, because nobody can stop the progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Make quiet arrangements to sell access for money.</i></p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t see how this would amount to selling access or to influence-peddling. If I&#8217;m willing to spend $25K, I don&#8217;t need anyone&#8217;s help to get access, that&#8217;s what fundraisers are for. No, I see this as a brilliant and much needed innovation of the archaic political system.</p>

	<p>Consider the way things work now: Businessman (B) hires a lobbyist who bribes Politician (P). P then employs Thinktank Demagogue (D) to provide him with rationalizations and talking points. D will have to be compensated by B somehow. Finally, Newspaper-Man (N) is brought in to disseminate the talking points.</p>

	<p>In the modern (and very complex) world this business model is clearly inefficient and prone to failure. What if B doesn&#8217;t like the news/opinion articles produced by N? That is a clear possibility, because, as it happens, N has no clear contractual obligation; he operates in undignified manner, similar to the guy who volunteers to clean your windshield at a traffic light. All in all, this business model is chaotic, ambiguous, and uncertain.</p>

	<p>Bringing everyone involved, all the key participants together in one room, to spec out the final product and negotiate the fees, is the most natural evolutionary step. Yes, it was prevented today, but it&#8217;ll happen again tomorrow, because nobody can stop the progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/washington-post-really-crashes-and-burns-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-281215</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,

Step 1 - Make quiet arrangements to sell access for money.
Step 2 - Distribute flyers with arrangements spelled out in detail to hundreds
of people in the DC area (which tell people exactly *who* is expecting to mix
alleged journalism and insiderness).
Step 3 - Profit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes,</p>

	<p>Step 1 &#8211; Make quiet arrangements to sell access for money.<br />
Step 2 &#8211; Distribute flyers with arrangements spelled out in detail to hundreds<br />
of people in the DC area (which tell people exactly <strong>who</strong> is expecting to mix<br />
alleged journalism and insiderness).<br />
Step 3 &#8211; Profit!</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/washington-post-really-crashes-and-burns-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-281211</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Powerpoint presentation for the development of this concept within the Post must be a beauty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Powerpoint presentation for the development of this concept within the Post must be a beauty.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenAttewell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/washington-post-really-crashes-and-burns-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-281207</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenAttewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>* man, not main.</description>
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		<li>man, not main.</li>
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		<title>By: StevenAttewell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/washington-post-really-crashes-and-burns-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-281206</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenAttewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah...I&#039;m curious what Obama administration official would be stupid enough to accept an invite to this event before this broke, and which official would be stupid enough to accept an invite now.

Main, talk about MarketingFAIL. 

And the Post has been infected by the palm-greasing spirit for some time, it&#039;s just not that they&#039;re getting blatant about it. Ironically, does this count as hard-hitting investigative journalism, uncovering deep-seated corruption within a powerful American institution - completely by accident?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah&#8230;I&#8217;m curious what Obama administration official would be stupid enough to accept an invite to this event before this broke, and which official would be stupid enough to accept an invite now.</p>

	<p>Main, talk about MarketingFAIL.</p>

	<p>And the Post has been infected by the palm-greasing spirit for some time, it&#8217;s just not that they&#8217;re getting blatant about it. Ironically, does this count as hard-hitting investigative journalism, uncovering deep-seated corruption within a powerful American institution &#8211; completely by accident?</p>
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		<title>By: mart</title>
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		<dc:creator>mart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read &lt;a href=&quot;http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/07/old_media_blues.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this: &lt;/a&gt;

&quot;Cities without newspapers seem to experience a sizeable increase in insider self-dealing and other forms of corruption--one theory as to why the Federal government is less corrupt than state and local governments is simply that it&#039;s more thoroughly covered by the press.&quot;

Heh. I guess one could call it the &#039;money quote&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just read <a href="http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/07/old_media_blues.php" rel="nofollow"> this: </a></p>

	<p>&#8220;Cities without newspapers seem to experience a sizeable increase in insider self-dealing and other forms of corruption&#8212;one theory as to why the Federal government is less corrupt than state and local governments is simply that it&#8217;s more thoroughly covered by the press.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Heh. I guess one could call it the &#8216;money quote&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/washington-post-really-crashes-and-burns-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-281194</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What does it say about the journalistic instincts of an organization that arranges private meetings between the rich and powerful and administration officials with the explicit promise to keep everything secret?&quot;

That the building housing the WaPo (or WaPoo, as somebody said after Froomkin was fired) should sport a red light at the entrance, to properly signficy its true business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;What does it say about the journalistic instincts of an organization that arranges private meetings between the rich and powerful and administration officials with the explicit promise to keep everything secret?&#8221;</p>

	<p>That the building housing the WaPo (or WaPoo, as somebody said after Froomkin was fired) should sport a red light at the entrance, to properly signficy its true business.</p>
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		<title>By: FMguru</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/washington-post-really-crashes-and-burns-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-281191</link>
		<dc:creator>FMguru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, am impressed by the &quot;off the record&quot; nature of the meetings. What does it say about the journalistic instincts of an organization that arranges private meetings between the rich and powerful and administration officials with the &lt;i&gt;explicit promise to keep everything secret&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I, for one, am impressed by the &#8220;off the record&#8221; nature of the meetings. What does it say about the journalistic instincts of an organization that arranges private meetings between the rich and powerful and administration officials with the <i>explicit promise to keep everything secret</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dsquared - the first sounds about right, the second not so much - my vague impression (I live in DC but am not precisely a &#039;power player&#039;) is that the people on the publishing and senior editorial executive side of big journalism have fatter rolodexes than the journos themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>dsquared &#8211; the first sounds about right, the second not so much &#8211; my vague impression (I live in DC but am not precisely a &#8216;power player&#8217;) is that the people on the publishing and senior editorial executive side of big journalism have fatter rolodexes than the journos themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ask Dan Froomkin what the rewards are at the Post for doing that&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, see - if they were thinking straight, they would have kept him on; they could have had well-attended &quot;salons&quot; (oh god, it hurts) filled with people who wanted to complain about him.

&lt;i&gt;The promise of Obama administration officials’ attendance is unbelievably cavalier. Isn’t it&lt;/i&gt;

I suspect that this is what the newsroom were really angry about - they were being asked to turn out their contact books to fill up the &quot;Salon&quot; (ow) and were rightly pissed off about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Ask Dan Froomkin what the rewards are at the Post for doing that</i></p>

	<p>Yes, see &#8211; if they were thinking straight, they would have kept him on; they could have had well-attended &#8220;salons&#8221; (oh god, it hurts) filled with people who wanted to complain about him.</p>

	<p><i>The promise of Obama administration officials&#8217; attendance is unbelievably cavalier. Isn&#8217;t it</i></p>

	<p>I suspect that this is what the newsroom were really angry about &#8211; they were being asked to turn out their contact books to fill up the &#8220;Salon&#8221; (ow) and were rightly pissed off about it.</p>
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		<title>By: mpowell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/washington-post-really-crashes-and-burns-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-281186</link>
		<dc:creator>mpowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  like that you can get 11 for the price of 10.  It&#039;s almost like the stamps you get on your card from your favorite lunch destination...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I  like that you can get 11 for the price of 10.  It&#8217;s almost like the stamps you get on your card from your favorite lunch destination&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Salient</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/washington-post-really-crashes-and-burns-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-281185</link>
		<dc:creator>Salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 thoughts:

(1) The promise of Obama administration officials&#039; attendance is unbelievably cavalier. Isn&#039;t it?

(2) The Post&#039;s / Kris Coratti&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0709/WashPost_offers_offrec_access_to_admin_figures_journos_for_lobbyists.html?showall&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;response&lt;/a&gt; is weirdly noncommittal: &quot;these dinners are... meant to be an independent, policy-oriented event for newsmakers... We do believe there is an opportunity to have a conferences and events business [sic?], and that The Post should be leading these conversations in Washington... &lt;b&gt;The newsroom will participate where appropriate.&lt;/b&gt;&quot; Whatever that means.

(3) This too is golden:

&lt;i&gt; &quot;Washington Post Salons are extensions of The Washington Post brand of journalistic inquiry.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

...Indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>3 thoughts:</p>

	<p>(1) The promise of Obama administration officials&#8217; attendance is unbelievably cavalier. Isn&#8217;t it?</p>

	<p>(2) The Post&#8217;s / Kris Coratti&#8217;s <a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0709/WashPost_offers_offrec_access_to_admin_figures_journos_for_lobbyists.html?showall" rel="nofollow">response</a> is weirdly noncommittal: &#8220;these dinners are&#8230; meant to be an independent, policy-oriented event for newsmakers&#8230; We do believe there is an opportunity to have a conferences and events business [sic?], and that The Post should be leading these conversations in Washington&#8230; <b>The newsroom will participate where appropriate.</b>&#8221; Whatever that means.</p>

	<p>(3) This too is golden:</p>

	<p><i> &#8220;Washington Post Salons are extensions of The Washington Post brand of journalistic inquiry.&#8221; </i></p>

	<p>&#8230;Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If (as I suspect) the objection is just that it’s all a bit tawdry, then surely the newsroom could help restore that reputation by going out and doing some good news reporting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ask Dan Froomkin what the rewards are at the Post for doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>If (as I suspect) the objection is just that it&#8217;s all a bit tawdry, then surely the newsroom could help restore that reputation by going out and doing some good news reporting.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Ask Dan Froomkin what the rewards are at the Post for doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which bit of this is the outrage bit?  Is it that the WP is engaging in influence-peddling, or that there&#039;s an implicit promise of favourable coverage for anyone who comes along to this little &quot;Salon&quot; (hahahaha btw)?

If (as I suspect) the objection is just that it&#039;s all a bit tawdry, then surely the newsroom could help restore that reputation by going out and doing some good news reporting.  You could even reach an equilibrium, whereby the news side built goodwill, and the influence-peddling side burned goodwill in order to refine it into money.  AFAICS, in that equilibrium, we the average punter do quite well, in that the WP has to provide a decent news service in order to maintain the prestige of being associated with its &quot;Salons&quot; (oh god, please no).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Which bit of this is the outrage bit?  Is it that the WP is engaging in influence-peddling, or that there&#8217;s an implicit promise of favourable coverage for anyone who comes along to this little &#8220;Salon&#8221; (hahahaha btw)?</p>

	<p>If (as I suspect) the objection is just that it&#8217;s all a bit tawdry, then surely the newsroom could help restore that reputation by going out and doing some good news reporting.  You could even reach an equilibrium, whereby the news side built goodwill, and the influence-peddling side burned goodwill in order to refine it into money.  <span class="caps">AFAICS</span>, in that equilibrium, we the average punter do quite well, in that the WP has to provide a decent news service in order to maintain the prestige of being associated with its &#8220;Salons&#8221; (oh god, please no).</p>
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		<title>By: Jonquil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonquil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear God.    Just... dear God.  And the newsroom may not have been consulted, but you can bet damn sure Brauchli was given a heads-up, even if he didn&#039;t see the final flyer.

Yeah.  &quot;We&#039;ll sell you access to power&quot; is a canonical Washington bargain.  But when a newspaper, in theory supposed to be impartial, does it, it crosses the line.

(Note:  I am well aware that the Post is nothing resembling impartial.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dear God.    Just&#8230; dear God.  And the newsroom may not have been consulted, but you can bet damn sure Brauchli was given a heads-up, even if he didn&#8217;t see the final flyer.</p>

	<p>Yeah.  &#8220;We&#8217;ll sell you access to power&#8221; is a canonical Washington bargain.  But when a newspaper, in theory supposed to be impartial, does it, it crosses the line.</p>

	<p>(Note:  I am well aware that the Post is nothing resembling impartial.)</p>
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