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		<title>By: Ron Steiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/whats-up-with-political-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-281339</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Steiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ron Steiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/whats-up-with-political-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-281338</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Steiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Taylor and Scott Aaronson make great points about the state of academic publishing, and that is true notwithstanding biana steele’s challenge re: “commercialism” vs. “professionalism.” I don’t think John/Scott ever questions the need for professional scrutiny and review—indeed, the whole point of Scott’s thought experiment was that the element of professional certification was essential to making the commercial venture function. The real question is whether the commercial element is essential to the professional venture. 

John and Scott are saying it is not. In fact, they are going further, and saying that the commercial element does actual harm by limiting the access of “a precocious high-school student, or a struggling researcher in Belarus or Ghana,” or someone like John Taylor himself. And despite my own .edu perch, there are many times when I’m traveling that I hit a research roadblock because I’m not able to gain access to a journal through the university library’s subscription (my vpn often but doesn’t always resolve this). 

But I worry that John and Scott are perhaps being a bit naïve, and that part of the bottleneck imposed by commercial publishers has become a feature rather than a bug. As peter notes in 22 above, academics are motivated by renown, that is the currency of the realm. And, not to be too crass, it converts into real currency through tenure, promotion, grants, and bidding wars to poach or retain prominent faculty. The prestigious commercial journals have only so much space, so they function very effectively to create a valuable exclusivity that results in pay-offs in currency of both the tangible and intangible sorts. 

When people persist in doing something that initially appears irrational, there usually is some sense to it if you look close at their material interests (or, as Deep Throat said, follow the money.) Because powerful people find utility in terms of renown and money in the current system, they conclude that its benefits outweigh its costs, and will work to preserve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John Taylor and Scott Aaronson make great points about the state of academic publishing, and that is true notwithstanding biana steele&#8217;s challenge re: &#8220;commercialism&#8221; vs. &#8220;professionalism.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think John/Scott ever questions the need for professional scrutiny and review&#8212;indeed, the whole point of Scott&#8217;s thought experiment was that the element of professional certification was essential to making the commercial venture function. The real question is whether the commercial element is essential to the professional venture.</p>

	<p>John and Scott are saying it is not. In fact, they are going further, and saying that the commercial element does actual harm by limiting the access of &#8220;a precocious high-school student, or a struggling researcher in Belarus or Ghana,&#8221; or someone like John Taylor himself. And despite my own .edu perch, there are many times when I&#8217;m traveling that I hit a research roadblock because I&#8217;m not able to gain access to a journal through the university library&#8217;s subscription (my vpn often but doesn&#8217;t always resolve this).</p>

	<p>But I worry that John and Scott are perhaps being a bit na&#239;ve, and that part of the bottleneck imposed by commercial publishers has become a feature rather than a bug. As peter notes in 22 above, academics are motivated by renown, that is the currency of the realm. And, not to be too crass, it converts into real currency through tenure, promotion, grants, and bidding wars to poach or retain prominent faculty. The prestigious commercial journals have only so much space, so they function very effectively to create a valuable exclusivity that results in pay-offs in currency of both the tangible and intangible sorts.</p>

	<p>When people persist in doing something that initially appears irrational, there usually is some sense to it if you look close at their material interests (or, as Deep Throat said, follow the money.) Because powerful people find utility in terms of renown and money in the current system, they conclude that its benefits outweigh its costs, and will work to preserve it.</p>
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		<title>By: John L. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/whats-up-with-political-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-281318</link>
		<dc:creator>John L. Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter @22,

I am well aware of the role of prestige and reputation in scholarly communities and you are right-- the implicit argument by analogy is a bit weakened by this point.  I wished to point out a good bit of rhetorical writing about what I believe is an important issue for the future of science and scholarship.  

Rhetoric aside, the real issue, as I see it, is whether or not the goals of scholars of all types would be better met in an open access environment, given that the majority of the work is already done by academics, and the barriers to this alternative have diminished greatly over the years.  The ability for this medium to meet the prestige needs of academics is &lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=899122&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;surely a necessity&lt;/a&gt; for change.

I admit to a personal stake in this.  Having left academia for IT work and family, I can no longer afford access to journals that I once refereed for, and wherein my former classmates and professors continue to contribute.  There are ways around this, but I would rather that (for many reasons personal and not) it be freely available to all with an interest, myself included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Peter @22,</p>

	<p>I am well aware of the role of prestige and reputation in scholarly communities and you are right&#8212;the implicit argument by analogy is a bit weakened by this point.  I wished to point out a good bit of rhetorical writing about what I believe is an important issue for the future of science and scholarship.</p>

	<p>Rhetoric aside, the real issue, as I see it, is whether or not the goals of scholars of all types would be better met in an open access environment, given that the majority of the work is already done by academics, and the barriers to this alternative have diminished greatly over the years.  The ability for this medium to meet the prestige needs of academics is <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=899122" rel="nofollow">surely a necessity</a> for change.</p>

	<p>I admit to a personal stake in this.  Having left academia for IT work and family, I can no longer afford access to journals that I once refereed for, and wherein my former classmates and professors continue to contribute.  There are ways around this, but I would rather that (for many reasons personal and not) it be freely available to all with an interest, myself included.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John @ 17:

The key reason that the all-work-donated-for-free model works for academics, but not for (say) games designers, is that academics are rewarded in proportion to their renown, not in proportion to (say) their contributions to their employer&#039;s revenues, or their centrality to their employer&#039;s operations.  Other professionals - perhaps everybody - also seek renown, but it does not usually form the primary basis for their career progress, and hence their financial remuneration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John @ 17:</p>

	<p>The key reason that the all-work-donated-for-free model works for academics, but not for (say) games designers, is that academics are rewarded in proportion to their renown, not in proportion to (say) their contributions to their employer&#8217;s revenues, or their centrality to their employer&#8217;s operations.  Other professionals &#8211; perhaps everybody &#8211; also seek renown, but it does not usually form the primary basis for their career progress, and hence their financial remuneration.</p>
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		<title>By: djw</title>
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		<dc:creator>djw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I initially missed the exchange at #15-16, so never mind.</description>
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		<title>By: djw</title>
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		<dc:creator>djw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maurice, 

Actually, the discussion (especially early on) at PTRM did consider the possibility that this move was somehow profit driven (Bevir&#039;s editorship of some apparently profitable books on governance for Sage were discussed as a possible explanation, as I recall). 

But if this is the motivation, it seems as though the Sage people doing the thinking weren&#039;t thinking very clearly. PT is a specialist journal, and the move they apparently tried to make seemed carefully calculated to piss off the specialists to which the journal appeals to. The journal obviously makes money on institutional subscriptions, and I imagine most every University library that hopes to have a political theory collection subscribes. This is, in no small part, due to faculty recommendation. 

I&#039;m open to a profit-seeking explanation, but I&#039;ll remain somewhat skeptical until someone can demonstrate how this move was supposed to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maurice,</p>

	<p>Actually, the discussion (especially early on) at <span class="caps">PTRM</span> did consider the possibility that this move was somehow profit driven (Bevir&#8217;s editorship of some apparently profitable books on governance for Sage were discussed as a possible explanation, as I recall).</p>

	<p>But if this is the motivation, it seems as though the Sage people doing the thinking weren&#8217;t thinking very clearly. PT is a specialist journal, and the move they apparently tried to make seemed carefully calculated to piss off the specialists to which the journal appeals to. The journal obviously makes money on institutional subscriptions, and I imagine most every University library that hopes to have a political theory collection subscribes. This is, in no small part, due to faculty recommendation.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m open to a profit-seeking explanation, but I&#8217;ll remain somewhat skeptical until someone can demonstrate how this move was supposed to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: bianca steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>bianca steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knuth&#039;s paper, linked to by Aaronson, repeatedly uses the term &quot;commercial publisher,&quot; and apparently the term &quot;commercial&quot; is supposed to be important here, supposedly indicating that the problems academics have with these publishers is related to their for-profit nature.  But it seems to me that we rely on publishers to uphold certain values that are not necessarily commercial and do not necessarily support primarily the explicitly commercial aspects of society at large.  This is what we mean by &quot;professional&quot;: knowing how to maintain values that are not necessarily commercial or financial, and that are not so well understood by &quot;the community in general.&quot;  What field of study examines how publishing works with authors and audiences to maintain certain values?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Knuth&#8217;s paper, linked to by Aaronson, repeatedly uses the term &#8220;commercial publisher,&#8221; and apparently the term &#8220;commercial&#8221; is supposed to be important here, supposedly indicating that the problems academics have with these publishers is related to their for-profit nature.  But it seems to me that we rely on publishers to uphold certain values that are not necessarily commercial and do not necessarily support primarily the explicitly commercial aspects of society at large.  This is what we mean by &#8220;professional&#8221;: knowing how to maintain values that are not necessarily commercial or financial, and that are not so well understood by &#8220;the community in general.&#8221;  What field of study examines how publishing works with authors and audiences to maintain certain values?</p>
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		<title>By: John L. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/whats-up-with-political-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-281294</link>
		<dc:creator>John L. Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: The blockquote is supposed to end at &quot;I’ve got it: academics!&quot;.  Oops-- I&#039;m not sure what happened there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Note: The blockquote is supposed to end at &#8220;I&#8217;ve got it: academics!&#8221;.  Oops&#8212;I&#8217;m not sure what happened there.</p>
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		<title>By: John L. Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John L. Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to thread-jack, but regarding the absurd state of commercial academic publishing, Scott Aaronson&#039;s  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/journal.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; review&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;i&gt;The Access Principle: The Case for Open Access to Research and Scholarship&lt;/i&gt; by John Willinsky (&lt;a href=&quot;https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/willinsky/TheAccessPrinciple_TheMITPress_0262232421.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;free E-book&lt;/a&gt;) is a must-read.  

Here is a bitter taste:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I have an ingenious idea for a company. My company will be in the business of selling computer games. But, unlike other computer game companies, mine will never have to hire a single programmer, game designer, or graphic artist. Instead I&#039;ll simply find people who know how to make games, and ask them to donate their games to me. Naturally, anyone generous enough to donate a game will immediately relinquish all further rights to it. From then on, I alone will be the copyright-holder, distributor, and collector of royalties. This is not to say, however, that I&#039;ll provide no &quot;value-added.&quot; My company will be the one that packages the games in 25-cent cardboard boxes, then resells the boxes for up to $300 apiece.

But why would developers donate their games to me? Because they&#039;ll need my seal of approval. I&#039;ll convince developers that, if a game isn&#039;t distributed by my company, then the game doesn&#039;t &quot;count&quot; -- indeed, barely even exists -- and all their labor on it has been in vain.

Admittedly, for the scheme to work, my seal of approval will have to mean something. So before putting it on a game, I&#039;ll first send the game out to a team of experts who will test it, debug it, and recommend changes. But will I pay the experts for that service? Not at all: as the final cherry atop my chutzpah sundae, I&#039;ll tell the experts that it&#039;s their professional duty to evaluate, test, and debug my games for free!

On reflection, perhaps no game developer would be gullible enough to fall for my scheme. I need a community that has a higher tolerance for the ridiculous -- a community that, even after my operation is unmasked, will study it and hold meetings, but not &quot;rush to judgment&quot; by dissociating itself from me. But who on Earth could possibly be so paralyzed by indecision, so averse to change, so immune to common sense?

I&#039;ve got it: academics! &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not to thread-jack, but regarding the absurd state of commercial academic publishing, Scott Aaronson&#8217;s  <a href="http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/journal.html" rel="nofollow"> review</a> of <i>The Access Principle: The Case for Open Access to Research and Scholarship</i> by John Willinsky (<a href="https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/willinsky/TheAccessPrinciple_TheMITPress_0262232421.pdf" rel="nofollow">free E-book</a>) is a must-read.</p>

	<p>Here is a bitter taste:<br />
<blockquote>I have an ingenious idea for a company. My company will be in the business of selling computer games. But, unlike other computer game companies, mine will never have to hire a single programmer, game designer, or graphic artist. Instead I&#8217;ll simply find people who know how to make games, and ask them to donate their games to me. Naturally, anyone generous enough to donate a game will immediately relinquish all further rights to it. From then on, I alone will be the copyright-holder, distributor, and collector of royalties. This is not to say, however, that I&#8217;ll provide no &#8220;value-added.&#8221; My company will be the one that packages the games in 25-cent cardboard boxes, then resells the boxes for up to $300 apiece.</blockquote></p>

	<p>But why would developers donate their games to me? Because they&#8217;ll need my seal of approval. I&#8217;ll convince developers that, if a game isn&#8217;t distributed by my company, then the game doesn&#8217;t &#8220;count&#8221;&#8212;indeed, barely even exists&#8212;and all their labor on it has been in vain.</p>

	<p>Admittedly, for the scheme to work, my seal of approval will have to mean something. So before putting it on a game, I&#8217;ll first send the game out to a team of experts who will test it, debug it, and recommend changes. But will I pay the experts for that service? Not at all: as the final cherry atop my chutzpah sundae, I&#8217;ll tell the experts that it&#8217;s their professional duty to evaluate, test, and debug my games for free!</p>

	<p>On reflection, perhaps no game developer would be gullible enough to fall for my scheme. I need a community that has a higher tolerance for the ridiculous&#8212;a community that, even after my operation is unmasked, will study it and hold meetings, but not &#8220;rush to judgment&#8221; by dissociating itself from me. But who on Earth could possibly be so paralyzed by indecision, so averse to change, so immune to common sense?</p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve got it: academics! </p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Meilleur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice Meilleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh: I guess it&#039;s a question of fine differences. I meant to distinguish the &#039;competition among journals for a share of attention among academics&#039; frame (discussion according to which there was plenty of) from the &#039;getting ready for marketing tie-ins&#039; frame. As you recognize, the idea that there&#039;s much to market in &lt;em&gt;PT&lt;/em&gt; in the more crass sense of the word is pretty risible, but again as you recognize, that&#039;s not to say that some marketing VP wouldn&#039;t come up with it anyway. And there are corners of academic publishing, like textbooks, that can be pretty lucrative and might have captured someone&#039;s imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Josh: I guess it&#8217;s a question of fine differences. I meant to distinguish the &#8216;competition among journals for a share of attention among academics&#8217; frame (discussion according to which there was plenty of) from the &#8216;getting ready for marketing tie-ins&#8217; frame. As you recognize, the idea that there&#8217;s much to market in <em>PT</em> in the more crass sense of the word is pretty risible, but again as you recognize, that&#8217;s not to say that some marketing VP wouldn&#8217;t come up with it anyway. And there are corners of academic publishing, like textbooks, that can be pretty lucrative and might have captured someone&#8217;s imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The timing of this suggests that sometimes Minerva&#039;s owl really does take flight only at dusk...
In response to Maurice Meilleur&#039;s first post --
In fact, the idea that Sage might have tried to oust Dietz and install Bevir for economic/marketing reasons  was floated on the Poli Theory Job Rumour Mill, and was indeed the prevailing take (as I recall; I don&#039;t have the heart to go back and re-read) until some one or ones said, basically, &quot;Hey, how would replacing Dietz with Bevir contribute to marketing anyway?&quot; So far as I remember, the particular possibilities you mention, and so people started looking for other explanations -- which meant getting into the usual personal attacks and claims about the relative power and prestige of different schools of political theory.
I must say I find the scenario you mention pretty implausible -- which is not, of course, to say that Sage would consider it implausible, or not act on it. In any case, though, their judgment here seems to have been really rather bad .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The timing of this suggests that sometimes Minerva&#8217;s owl really does take flight only at dusk&#8230;<br />
In response to Maurice Meilleur&#8217;s first post&#8212;In fact, the idea that Sage might have tried to oust Dietz and install Bevir for economic/marketing reasons  was floated on the Poli Theory Job Rumour Mill, and was indeed the prevailing take (as I recall; I don&#8217;t have the heart to go back and re-read) until some one or ones said, basically, &#8220;Hey, how would replacing Dietz with Bevir contribute to marketing anyway?&#8221; So far as I remember, the particular possibilities you mention, and so people started looking for other explanations&#8212;which meant getting into the usual personal attacks and claims about the relative power and prestige of different schools of political theory.<br />
I must say I find the scenario you mention pretty implausible&#8212;which is not, of course, to say that Sage would consider it implausible, or not act on it. In any case, though, their judgment here seems to have been really rather bad .</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not quite like that with high-energy physicists.  Yes, everything is done via arXiv.  But we still publish papers in journals much of the time (though not always).  It&#039;s just that they always go up on arXiv first, and then (maybe) get submitted later.  Among the many other advantages of this scheme, people don&#039;t have to wait to see the paper for the months to year+ it often takes to get something published.

I don&#039;t know of anyone who actually reads any of the journals any more; everyone I know just checks for new papers on arXiv.  But I&#039;d guess they are still used for reputational reasons by e.g. tenure committees, though I&#039;ve never sat on one so I don&#039;t know for certain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s not quite like that with high-energy physicists.  Yes, everything is done via arXiv.  But we still publish papers in journals much of the time (though not always).  It&#8217;s just that they always go up on arXiv first, and then (maybe) get submitted later.  Among the many other advantages of this scheme, people don&#8217;t have to wait to see the paper for the months to year+ it often takes to get something published.</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t know of anyone who actually reads any of the journals any more; everyone I know just checks for new papers on arXiv.  But I&#8217;d guess they are still used for reputational reasons by e.g. tenure committees, though I&#8217;ve never sat on one so I don&#8217;t know for certain.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And managerial continuity is a reputational thing; that a company will not trash their journals by putting short-term profit-maximizers in charge - now and in the future.  Since the journal companies *are* putting short-term profit-maximizers in charge, this is a moot point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And managerial continuity is a reputational thing; that a company will not trash their journals by putting short-term profit-maximizers in charge &#8211; now and in the future.  Since the journal companies <strong>are</strong> putting short-term profit-maximizers in charge, this is a moot point.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/whats-up-with-political-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-281241</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maurice Meilleur @ #6 said:

&lt;i&gt;&quot; Stuart, continued reliance on these firms in the humanities and social sciences is based on two things:  . . .  and the logistics of arranging editorial management, peer review, infrastructural maintenance, and managerial continuity in a zero- or low-revenue environment.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yet, strangely enough, the first 2 of the 4 activities you mention are usually unpaid by the revenue-earning journal publishers.  Academics (and their education institutional employers) subsidize these activities by giving their time for &quot;free&quot;.  Given the high fees that the libraries of these same institutional employers currently pay for journal subscriptions, surely a model where the institutional employers  pay instead for the other 2 of the 4 activities would make sense, ie, online journals with hosting and administrative support provided by educational or research institutions, not by commercial publishers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maurice Meilleur @ #6 said:</p>

	<p><i>&#8221; Stuart, continued reliance on these firms in the humanities and social sciences is based on two things:  . . .  and the logistics of arranging editorial management, peer review, infrastructural maintenance, and managerial continuity in a zero- or low-revenue environment.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>Yet, strangely enough, the first 2 of the 4 activities you mention are usually unpaid by the revenue-earning journal publishers.  Academics (and their education institutional employers) subsidize these activities by giving their time for &#8220;free&#8221;.  Given the high fees that the libraries of these same institutional employers currently pay for journal subscriptions, surely a model where the institutional employers  pay instead for the other 2 of the 4 activities would make sense, ie, online journals with hosting and administrative support provided by educational or research institutions, not by commercial publishers.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Meilleur</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/02/whats-up-with-political-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-281237</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice Meilleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, I&#039;m wondering the same thing. If it is true, it would finally give political scientists a legitimate reason to want to emulate physicists.*

*O/t note: this has nothing to do with hating physics. It has everything to do with making fun of political scientists for wanting to study politics as if it were physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Daniel, I&#8217;m wondering the same thing. If it is true, it would finally give political scientists a legitimate reason to want to emulate physicists.*</p>

	<p>*O/t note: this has nothing to do with hating physics. It has everything to do with making fun of political scientists for wanting to study politics as if it were physics.</p>
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