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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-2/#comment-282207</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt, but the one was a pretty clear sign that the next would be encouraged. Not to mention Guatemala.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No doubt, but the one was a pretty clear sign that the next would be encouraged. Not to mention Guatemala.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-2/#comment-282203</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because killing 100 is not comparable to killing 100,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Because killing 100 is not comparable to killing 100,000.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-2/#comment-282201</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham was the insider&#039;s union-busting the people sometimes don&#039;t need to know insider, and George Will&#039;s been plaguing the Post for far longer than the war on Clinton, Gore, and Iraq. I&#039;m glad people have wised up to the fact that the Post sucks, but it&#039;s been sucking for a long long time -- when I started reading daily in 1987, Richard Cohen was just as bad as he is today, and Juan Williams worked there too, and was as irritating as he is at NPR and on Fox. Washington has forever been the land where Cokie Roberts is relevant. What&#039;s interesting is the way that generally mushy NPR liberals have come around to hating on the Post like us left-wing cranks. It may be because they are more Republican than they have been, but really, when it came to blaming poor black people, women, gays, who have you, for screwing up normal people&#039;s lives, the 2000s didn&#039;t have all that much on the 1980s in that paper. And when it came to blowing up darker people in other countries, same as it ever was. I figure it&#039;s a combination of Bush v. Gore, Iraq, and Katrina. But why the hell didn&#039;t the slobbering over Grenada get this done a long time ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Graham was the insider&#8217;s union-busting the people sometimes don&#8217;t need to know insider, and George Will&#8217;s been plaguing the Post for far longer than the war on Clinton, Gore, and Iraq. I&#8217;m glad people have wised up to the fact that the Post sucks, but it&#8217;s been sucking for a long long time&#8212;when I started reading daily in 1987, Richard Cohen was just as bad as he is today, and Juan Williams worked there too, and was as irritating as he is at <span class="caps">NPR</span> and on Fox. Washington has forever been the land where Cokie Roberts is relevant. What&#8217;s interesting is the way that generally mushy <span class="caps">NPR</span> liberals have come around to hating on the Post like us left-wing cranks. It may be because they are more Republican than they have been, but really, when it came to blaming poor black people, women, gays, who have you, for screwing up normal people&#8217;s lives, the 2000s didn&#8217;t have all that much on the 1980s in that paper. And when it came to blowing up darker people in other countries, same as it ever was. I figure it&#8217;s a combination of Bush v. Gore, Iraq, and Katrina. But why the hell didn&#8217;t the slobbering over Grenada get this done a long time ago?</p>
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		<title>By: roy belmont</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-2/#comment-282188</link>
		<dc:creator>roy belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Griffith, creator and keeper of the inspirational Zippy the Pinhead, today, on this very &lt;a href=&quot;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cc1bgzhD6pY/Sl_DjyM9b8I/AAAAAAAACEI/PP3hD28Y8-A/s1600-h/zippy+july162009.bmp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;matter&lt;/a&gt;.
Cartoon at SFGate, which tried mightily to prevent its being linked to or manipulated, which creepy selfish IP attitude may be a secondary contributing aspect to the main fail of corporate newspapers generally. 
On the other hand &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zippythepinhead.com/pages/aabillgr.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Griffith&lt;/a&gt; makes what little he makes mostly off syndication to the aforesaid unlamented dying corporate newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bill Griffith, creator and keeper of the inspirational Zippy the Pinhead, today, on this very <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cc1bgzhD6pY/Sl_DjyM9b8I/AAAAAAAACEI/PP3hD28Y8-A/s1600-h/zippy+july162009.bmp" rel="nofollow">matter</a>.<br />
Cartoon at SFGate, which tried mightily to prevent its being linked to or manipulated, which creepy selfish IP attitude may be a secondary contributing aspect to the main fail of corporate newspapers generally.<br />
On the other hand <a href="http://www.zippythepinhead.com/pages/aabillgr.html" rel="nofollow">Griffith</a> makes what little he makes mostly off syndication to the aforesaid unlamented dying corporate newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: bdbd</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-1/#comment-282178</link>
		<dc:creator>bdbd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding injury to insult, the cost of the dead tree paper has jumped to 75 cents from 35 cents.  Not only will I not read it, I won&#039;t buy it either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Adding injury to insult, the cost of the dead tree paper has jumped to 75 cents from 35 cents.  Not only will I not read it, I won&#8217;t buy it either!</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-1/#comment-282144</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kid bitzer:  &quot;i fantasize about his nimbly climbing the pathway to stardom, you fantasize about his moral corruption thereby—and the more we go on, the less it has to do with young ezra at all. but fantasy is free.&quot;

IMHO they are somewhat linked; if Ezra climes on the Broder bandwagon, he&#039;s probably one generation too late to make a career of it.  However, as you said, fantasy is free...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>kid bitzer:  &#8220;i fantasize about his nimbly climbing the pathway to stardom, you fantasize about his moral corruption thereby&#8212;and the more we go on, the less it has to do with young ezra at all. but fantasy is free.&#8221;</p>

	<p><span class="caps">IMHO</span> they are somewhat linked; if Ezra climes on the Broder bandwagon, he&#8217;s probably one generation too late to make a career of it.  However, as you said, fantasy is free&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So the Post’s pimping itself as a go-between for lobbyists looking for access to the Obama administration is less outrageous than a poorly-written op-ed by a former vice-presidential nominee?&lt;/i&gt; 

Probably because WaPo retracted the former and ran the latter.  

&quot;Priorities&quot; must be based in realities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>So the Post&#8217;s pimping itself as a go-between for lobbyists looking for access to the Obama administration is less outrageous than a poorly-written op-ed by a former vice-presidential nominee?</i></p>

	<p>Probably because WaPo retracted the former and ran the latter.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Priorities&#8221; must be based in realities.</p>
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		<title>By: Salient</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-1/#comment-282126</link>
		<dc:creator>Salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In which case his real friends will make sure that Ezra keeps that in mind.&lt;/i&gt;

Heh, about &lt;i&gt;1 hour ago&lt;/i&gt; he took the editorial page &lt;a href=&quot;http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/the_case_for_funding_health-ca.html#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;to task&lt;/a&gt;. It was mildly put, but really no moreso than the various take-to-tasks he&#039;s written on previous blogs.

Not that this somehow disproves your claim about what&#039;ll happen eventually (as kid bitzer said, conjecture is free). My cynical guess is, the Post will &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; Ezra to issue occasional rebuttals to WaPo editorials, to satisfy the left-leaning audience who they&#039;re trying to draw in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>In which case his real friends will make sure that Ezra keeps that in mind.</i></p>

	<p>Heh, about <i>1 hour ago</i> he took the editorial page <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/the_case_for_funding_health-ca.html#comments" rel="nofollow">to task</a>. It was mildly put, but really no moreso than the various take-to-tasks he&#8217;s written on previous blogs.</p>

	<p>Not that this somehow disproves your claim about what&#8217;ll happen eventually (as kid bitzer said, conjecture is free). My cynical guess is, the Post will <i>want</i> Ezra to issue occasional rebuttals to WaPo editorials, to satisfy the left-leaning audience who they&#8217;re trying to draw in.</p>
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		<title>By: kid bitzer</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-1/#comment-282124</link>
		<dc:creator>kid bitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as you wish, barry.

i think it&#039;s pretty clear that we&#039;re both just psychologically projecting on a stranger neither of us knows, so we&#039;re at liberty to make up our own fantasies. 

i fantasize about his nimbly climbing the pathway to stardom, you fantasize about his moral corruption thereby--and the more we go on, the less it has to do with young ezra at all. but fantasy is free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>as you wish, barry.</p>

	<p>i think it&#8217;s pretty clear that we&#8217;re both just psychologically projecting on a stranger neither of us knows, so we&#8217;re at liberty to make up our own fantasies.</p>

	<p>i fantasize about his nimbly climbing the pathway to stardom, you fantasize about his moral corruption thereby&#8212;and the more we go on, the less it has to do with young ezra at all. but fantasy is free.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-1/#comment-282123</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kid bitzer 07.16.09 at 2:26 pm

&quot;i have to assume that ezra took a gamble that this will not impede his trajectory upwards to wonkish stardom. and i think it was a wise gamble—if he stays there for a few years, he will probably be able to move on to something higher profile, whether big media or political.&quot;

In which case his real friends will make sure that Ezra keeps that in mind.  It won&#039;t take too long for (probably) the highest salary he&#039;s ever earned to rot him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>kid bitzer 07.16.09 at 2:26 pm</p>

	<p>&#8220;i have to assume that ezra took a gamble that this will not impede his trajectory upwards to wonkish stardom. and i think it was a wise gamble&#8212;if he stays there for a few years, he will probably be able to move on to something higher profile, whether big media or political.&#8221;</p>

	<p>In which case his real friends will make sure that Ezra keeps that in mind.  It won&#8217;t take too long for (probably) the highest salary he&#8217;s ever earned to rot him.</p>
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		<title>By: Salient</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-1/#comment-282122</link>
		<dc:creator>Salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;ezra’s case is a bit of a puzzle, since you don’t normally see rats jumping onto a sinking ship, esp. rats who are extremely intelligent.&lt;/i&gt;

My guess is, someone at the Post made a damn good decision in offering Ezra a salary he couldn&#039;t refuse. I&#039;m probably not the only one in the vaguely-left population who is now returning regularly to the Post&#039;s website for Ezra&#039;s blog, and only for that reason. Maybe their net loss in traffic from firing Froomkin has been minimal for this reason. (And admittedly I still end up clicking around to see if there&#039;s anything else interesting on the site, which presumably is part of what they were hoping for...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>ezra&#8217;s case is a bit of a puzzle, since you don&#8217;t normally see rats jumping onto a sinking ship, esp. rats who are extremely intelligent.</i></p>

	<p>My guess is, someone at the Post made a damn good decision in offering Ezra a salary he couldn&#8217;t refuse. I&#8217;m probably not the only one in the vaguely-left population who is now returning regularly to the Post&#8217;s website for Ezra&#8217;s blog, and only for that reason. Maybe their net loss in traffic from firing Froomkin has been minimal for this reason. (And admittedly I still end up clicking around to see if there&#8217;s anything else interesting on the site, which presumably is part of what they were hoping for&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: kid bitzer</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-1/#comment-282121</link>
		<dc:creator>kid bitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and yes, that was all speculation and mind-reading based on bupkis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>and yes, that was all speculation and mind-reading based on bupkis.</p>
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		<title>By: kid bitzer</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-1/#comment-282119</link>
		<dc:creator>kid bitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ezra&#039;s case is a bit of a puzzle, since you don&#039;t normally see rats jumping *onto* a sinking ship, esp. rats who are extremely intelligent.

i have to assume that ezra took a gamble that this will not impede his trajectory upwards to wonkish stardom.  and i think it was a wise gamble--if he stays there for a few years, he will probably be able to move on to something higher profile, whether big media or political.

i think he&#039;s an odd case in that his credibility among the progressive bloggy world is so secure that this will not hurt him much with that group. what he needed was visibility *outside* the world of people who readed tapped, delong, ct, yglesias, etc., and this he is getting.

what i do *not* think it means is that smart young progressives are putting their money and careers on the future of the washington post as a brand. ezra won&#039;t be there in five years, and he knows it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>ezra&#8217;s case is a bit of a puzzle, since you don&#8217;t normally see rats jumping <strong>onto</strong> a sinking ship, esp. rats who are extremely intelligent.</p>

	<p>i have to assume that ezra took a gamble that this will not impede his trajectory upwards to wonkish stardom.  and i think it was a wise gamble&#8212;if he stays there for a few years, he will probably be able to move on to something higher profile, whether big media or political.</p>

	<p>i think he&#8217;s an odd case in that his credibility among the progressive bloggy world is so secure that this will not hurt him much with that group. what he needed was visibility <strong>outside</strong> the world of people who readed tapped, delong, ct, yglesias, etc., and this he is getting.</p>

	<p>what i do <strong>not</strong> think it means is that smart young progressives are putting their money and careers on the future of the washington post as a brand. ezra won&#8217;t be there in five years, and he knows it.</p>
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		<title>By: Salient</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/15/wapo-surveying-the-flaming-wreckage/comment-page-1/#comment-282115</link>
		<dc:creator>Salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As with most papers that have gone downhill badly, I’m sure there are still good journalists working for WaPo (Pincus is one obvious case who’s been mentioned).&lt;/i&gt;

And Ezra Klein!

[At some point recently I told myself I just shouldn&#039;t bother to read anything in the Post again, and &lt;i&gt;the next day&lt;/i&gt; he up and announced he was moving his blog there.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>As with most papers that have gone downhill badly, I&#8217;m sure there are still good journalists working for WaPo (Pincus is one obvious case who&#8217;s been mentioned).</i></p>

	<p>And Ezra Klein!</p>

	<p>[At some point recently I told myself I just shouldn&#8217;t bother to read anything in the Post again, and <i>the next day</i> he up and announced he was moving his blog there.]</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following Old-Timer and quite a few others, I&#039;m sure the Good Old Days™ weren&#039;t nearly as good as I remember them from the other side of the world. But, that doesn&#039;t mean things haven&#039;t gotten a lot worse lately.

As with most papers that have gone downhill badly, I&#039;m sure there are still good journalists working for WaPo (Pincus is one obvious case who&#039;s been mentioned).  Hopefully, as with Froomkin, they will find opportunities in the post-Post world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Following Old-Timer and quite a few others, I&#8217;m sure the Good Old Days&#8482; weren&#8217;t nearly as good as I remember them from the other side of the world. But, that doesn&#8217;t mean things haven&#8217;t gotten a lot worse lately.</p>

	<p>As with most papers that have gone downhill badly, I&#8217;m sure there are still good journalists working for WaPo (Pincus is one obvious case who&#8217;s been mentioned).  Hopefully, as with Froomkin, they will find opportunities in the post-Post world.</p>
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