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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/17/vance-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-283562</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Of those authors only Jack Vance and R. A. Lafferty (another overlooked, fine stylist) were writers whose work I really loved and respected.&quot;

Ray Lafferty is indeed another brilliant stylist, and &lt;i&gt;sui generis&lt;/i&gt; writer, overlooked by the mainstream.  His politics were also unique, somewhat conservative, highly Catholic, and just odd.  I&#039;ll never forget the time he wrote the 1979 Worldcon committee (which I ended up being Director of Operations for, and retroactive Vice-Chair), denouncing us all as Nazis for allowing the Worldcon to become &quot;politicized&quot; by allowing Guest Of Honor Harlan Ellison to use it as a forum to campaign for passage of the ERA (the convention being held in Arizona, one of the few remaining states that had not passed the ERA, and thus was being boycotted by NOW, and Ellison was a huge supporter of NOW, doing many speaking/fund-raising engagements on its behalf).  (Harlan&#039;s solution was to keep his commitment to show up at the con, a commitment made long before the boycott, but to vow not to spend a penny in the state, and to urge everyone else to do their best to spend no money in Arizona; he rented an RV and lived out of it throughout his week in town, while also talking up the ERA at every opportunity he could.)

Now, this &quot;politicization&quot; of the Worldcon was surprisingly controversial, as many fans took the view that somehow the world of science fiction should be isolated from Outside Politics (such as the mere idea that women should have equal political rights -- but, then, that idea wasn&#039;t even accepted in the country as a whole, of course), so Lafferty was hardly the only person to contribute to what became a huge uproar in the sf world at the time, but he &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; the only person to somehow find it a reason to call the organizers &quot;Nazis.&quot;

On the other hand, you could find him at endless numbers of sf conventions, wandering the halls late at night, from party to party, always a drink in his hand, always aimiably soused, and more often than not until he was dozing off in a lobby chair in the no longer early morning.  

Sf writers can be peculiar, and Lafferty was, unsurprisingly, one of the more peculiar.  And brilliant as a stylist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Of those authors only Jack Vance and R. A. Lafferty (another overlooked, fine stylist) were writers whose work I really loved and respected.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Ray Lafferty is indeed another brilliant stylist, and <i>sui generis</i> writer, overlooked by the mainstream.  His politics were also unique, somewhat conservative, highly Catholic, and just odd.  I&#8217;ll never forget the time he wrote the 1979 Worldcon committee (which I ended up being Director of Operations for, and retroactive Vice-Chair), denouncing us all as Nazis for allowing the Worldcon to become &#8220;politicized&#8221; by allowing Guest Of Honor Harlan Ellison to use it as a forum to campaign for passage of the <span class="caps">ERA </span>(the convention being held in Arizona, one of the few remaining states that had not passed the <span class="caps">ERA</span>, and thus was being boycotted by <span class="caps">NOW</span>, and Ellison was a huge supporter of <span class="caps">NOW</span>, doing many speaking/fund-raising engagements on its behalf).  (Harlan&#8217;s solution was to keep his commitment to show up at the con, a commitment made long before the boycott, but to vow not to spend a penny in the state, and to urge everyone else to do their best to spend no money in Arizona; he rented an RV and lived out of it throughout his week in town, while also talking up the <span class="caps">ERA</span> at every opportunity he could.)</p>

	<p>Now, this &#8220;politicization&#8221; of the Worldcon was surprisingly controversial, as many fans took the view that somehow the world of science fiction should be isolated from Outside Politics (such as the mere idea that women should have equal political rights&#8212;but, then, that idea wasn&#8217;t even accepted in the country as a whole, of course), so Lafferty was hardly the only person to contribute to what became a huge uproar in the sf world at the time, but he <i>was</i> the only person to somehow find it a reason to call the organizers &#8220;Nazis.&#8221;</p>

	<p>On the other hand, you could find him at endless numbers of sf conventions, wandering the halls late at night, from party to party, always a drink in his hand, always aimiably soused, and more often than not until he was dozing off in a lobby chair in the no longer early morning.</p>

	<p>Sf writers can be peculiar, and Lafferty was, unsurprisingly, one of the more peculiar.  And brilliant as a stylist.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/17/vance-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-283561</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Many, if not most of Vance’s sf novels and stories share the theme of an individual (reminiscent in more ways than one of Van Vogt’s “competent man” or Heinlein’s system-breakers) who, without always intending to, breaks open a stagnant society&quot;

This was pretty much the standard model of  (John W.)  Campbellian sf of the era. Although Vance was not particularly one of Campbell&#039;s proteges, and published all over the magazine landscape of the time, particularly in &lt;i&gt;Galaxy&lt;/i&gt;, it seems a point worth mentioning as regards this theme.

&quot;in 1968 The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction ran an ad denouncing the war in Viet Nam that was signed by many of the leading SF writers of the time. A few issues later they ran a counter ad&quot;

It was both the June, 1968, issue of &lt;i&gt;Galaxy&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;The Magazine of Fantasy And Science Fiction&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jstor.org/pss/4240011&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;actually&lt;/a&gt;, to be nitpicky.

I thought it was great to see Jack Vance get such mainstream recognition, myself, even if it came so late; at least he was alive to see it, unlike Phil Dick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Many, if not most of Vance&#8217;s sf novels and stories share the theme of an individual (reminiscent in more ways than one of Van Vogt&#8217;s &#8220;competent man&#8221; or Heinlein&#8217;s system-breakers) who, without always intending to, breaks open a stagnant society&#8221;</p>

	<p>This was pretty much the standard model of  (John W.)  Campbellian sf of the era. Although Vance was not particularly one of Campbell&#8217;s proteges, and published all over the magazine landscape of the time, particularly in <i>Galaxy</i>, it seems a point worth mentioning as regards this theme.</p>

	<p>&#8220;in 1968 The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction ran an ad denouncing the war in Viet Nam that was signed by many of the leading SF writers of the time. A few issues later they ran a counter ad&#8221;</p>

	<p>It was both the June, 1968, issue of <i>Galaxy</i>, and <i>The Magazine of Fantasy And Science Fiction</i>, <a href="http://www.jstor.org/pss/4240011" rel="nofollow">actually</a>, to be nitpicky.</p>

	<p>I thought it was great to see Jack Vance get such mainstream recognition, myself, even if it came so late; at least he was alive to see it, unlike Phil Dick.</p>
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		<title>By: David G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on &quot;I thought to notice&quot;: a Google book search brings up the same wording in 19th century writers several times, including Thackeray. The point is that while Fianosther is being pompous, Vance is never pompous: he has his blowhards and prevaricators, and his men of action, and they speak as they should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>More on &#8220;I thought to notice&#8221;: a Google book search brings up the same wording in 19th century writers several times, including Thackeray. The point is that while Fianosther is being pompous, Vance is never pompous: he has his blowhards and prevaricators, and his men of action, and they speak as they should.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@35 &amp; 36. Agreed. Rather famously, in 1968  The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction  ran an ad denouncing the war in Viet Nam that was signed by many of the leading SF writers of the time. A few issues later they ran a counter ad, supporting the war, signed by rather fewer authors. Of those authors only Jack Vance and R. A. Lafferty (another overlooked, fine stylist) were writers whose work I really loved and respected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@35 &#038; 36. Agreed. Rather famously, in 1968  The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction  ran an ad denouncing the war in Viet Nam that was signed by many of the leading SF writers of the time. A few issues later they ran a counter ad, supporting the war, signed by rather fewer authors. Of those authors only Jack Vance and R. A. Lafferty (another overlooked, fine stylist) were writers whose work I really loved and respected.</p>
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		<title>By: David G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to support Vance in his inclusion of &quot;somewhat limited&quot; here. It sustains the narrative voice as that of dry observation rather than inserting a joke directly in the narrative. And Vance is always detached - he would never pun or joke directly in the omniscient voice.

As far as solecisms go, the wondrous thing is that in the seeming oddity of his word choices, Vance actually redefines and expands how words can be used. Any reader familar with his work can have no doubt that he is in complete command of his vocabulary and diction. The occasional true lapse might occur once or twice in a whole book (and it is difficult to say how many of these are the results of editorial interference). It&#039;s an amazing balancing act, pure artifice sustained at great length. His imitators have been many, but they never match the man&#039;s ear, the balance of the phrases, sentences, paragraphs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have to support Vance in his inclusion of &#8220;somewhat limited&#8221; here. It sustains the narrative voice as that of dry observation rather than inserting a joke directly in the narrative. And Vance is always detached &#8211; he would never pun or joke directly in the omniscient voice.</p>

	<p>As far as solecisms go, the wondrous thing is that in the seeming oddity of his word choices, Vance actually redefines and expands how words can be used. Any reader familar with his work can have no doubt that he is in complete command of his vocabulary and diction. The occasional true lapse might occur once or twice in a whole book (and it is difficult to say how many of these are the results of editorial interference). It&#8217;s an amazing balancing act, pure artifice sustained at great length. His imitators have been many, but they never match the man&#8217;s ear, the balance of the phrases, sentences, paragraphs.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since J.V.&#039;s style, rather than the sociology deducible from his worlds, is a theme here, I wonder if anyone else, sufficiently addicted to sf, remembers another (though lesser) master of the baroque irony: Keith Laumer, esp. in his Retief stories.  That writers as different as Vance and Laumer can be given the same label -- sf -- as people like Arthur C. Clarke or Ursula LeGuin merely shows, once again, that the label is horribly inadequate.  But what else do we have?

&quot;Sf&#039;s no good,&quot; they bellow till we&#039;re deaf.
&quot;But this is good!&quot; &quot;Well, then, it&#039;s not sf.&quot;
Kingsley Amis dixit.

Speaking of tone, there really is a large spectrum of Vance styles.  The Dying Earth &amp; Cugel stories are at one extreme; the Araminta Station, Alastor, and Lyonesse novels in the middle; and the Demon Princes and others at the other.

I think it was &quot;The Dragon Masters&quot; I read first, bought as a double-ACE with &quot;The Last Castle&quot; in L.A. in the summer of 1973.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Since J.V.&#8217;s style, rather than the sociology deducible from his worlds, is a theme here, I wonder if anyone else, sufficiently addicted to sf, remembers another (though lesser) master of the baroque irony: Keith Laumer, esp. in his Retief stories.  That writers as different as Vance and Laumer can be given the same label&#8212;sf&#8212;as people like Arthur C. Clarke or Ursula LeGuin merely shows, once again, that the label is horribly inadequate.  But what else do we have?</p>

	<p>&#8220;Sf&#8217;s no good,&#8221; they bellow till we&#8217;re deaf.<br />
&#8220;But this is good!&#8221; &#8220;Well, then, it&#8217;s not sf.&#8221;<br />
Kingsley Amis dixit.</p>

	<p>Speaking of tone, there really is a large spectrum of Vance styles.  The Dying Earth &#038; Cugel stories are at one extreme; the Araminta Station, Alastor, and Lyonesse novels in the middle; and the Demon Princes and others at the other.</p>

	<p>I think it was &#8220;The Dragon Masters&#8221; I read first, bought as a double-ACE with &#8220;The Last Castle&#8221; in L.A. in the summer of 1973.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have Vance firmly placed in the box marked “reactionary artists whose work I love anyway”.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I have Vance firmly placed in the box marked &#8220;reactionary artists whose work I love anyway&#8221;.</i></p>

	<p>Exactly right.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point re Glyneth, but Book 2 is also driven by Madouc. I think that in Lyonesse Vance may have been actively trying to develop dynamic female characters. But that was never one of his many strengths. I have Vance firmly placed in the box marked &quot;reactionary artists whose work I love anyway&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fair point re Glyneth, but Book 2 is also driven by Madouc. I think that in Lyonesse Vance may have been actively trying to develop dynamic female characters. But that was never one of his many strengths. I have Vance firmly placed in the box marked &#8220;reactionary artists whose work I love anyway&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Incidentally, Suldrun’s Garden is the rule-breaker for Vance, as it has a reasonably well-developed female character—yeah, she’s passive, but she’s a complete character—and also a complex plot, or really several interwoven plots.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, look what happens to her.  And then look what happens to Glyneth -- lively female character, then she marries, and poof! disappears from Book 3, &#039;cause she is having babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Incidentally, Suldrun&#8217;s Garden is the rule-breaker for Vance, as it has a reasonably well-developed female character&#8212;yeah, she&#8217;s passive, but she&#8217;s a complete character&#8212;and also a complex plot, or really several interwoven plots.</i></p>

	<p>Well, look what happens to her.  And then look what happens to Glyneth&#8212;lively female character, then she marries, and poof! disappears from Book 3, &#8216;cause she is having babies.</p>
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		<title>By: musical mountaineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>musical mountaineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solecisms or no, the exchange between Cugel and Fianosther is amusing; I can&#039;t resist posting another excerpt from the same book.  This is when Cugel has been caught burgling Iucounu the Laughing Magician&#039;s manse, and Iucounu has inflicted on him the parasite Firx and is now preparing to send him far away after the Eye of the Overworld:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Iucounu pointed to a cage.  &quot;This will be your conveyance.  Inside.&quot;

Cugel hesitated.  &quot;It might be preferable to dine well, to sleep and rest, to set forth tomorrow refreshed.&quot;

&quot;What?&quot; spoke Iucounu in a voice like a horn.  &quot;You dare stand before me and state preferences?  You, who came skulking into my house, pillaged my valuables and left all in disarray?  Do you understand your luck?  Perhaps you prefer the Forlorn Encystment?&quot;

&quot;By no means!&quot; protested Cugel nervously.  &quot;I am anxious only for the success of the venture!&quot;

&quot;Into the cage, then.&quot;

...

Cugel said, &quot;Since I am now committed to this enterprise, and unlikely to return, you may care to learn my appraisal of yourself and your character.  In the first place-&quot;

But Iucounu held up his hand.  &quot;I do not care to listen; obloquy injures my self-esteem and I am skeptical of praise.  So now -- be off!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Solecisms or no, the exchange between Cugel and Fianosther is amusing; I can&#8217;t resist posting another excerpt from the same book.  This is when Cugel has been caught burgling Iucounu the Laughing Magician&#8217;s manse, and Iucounu has inflicted on him the parasite Firx and is now preparing to send him far away after the Eye of the Overworld:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Iucounu pointed to a cage.  &#8220;This will be your conveyance.  Inside.&#8221;</blockquote></p>

	<p>Cugel hesitated.  &#8220;It might be preferable to dine well, to sleep and rest, to set forth tomorrow refreshed.&#8221;</p>

	<p>&#8220;What?&#8221; spoke Iucounu in a voice like a horn.  &#8220;You dare stand before me and state preferences?  You, who came skulking into my house, pillaged my valuables and left all in disarray?  Do you understand your luck?  Perhaps you prefer the Forlorn Encystment?&#8221;</p>

	<p>&#8220;By no means!&#8221; protested Cugel nervously.  &#8220;I am anxious only for the success of the venture!&#8221;</p>

	<p>&#8220;Into the cage, then.&#8221;</p>

	<p>&#8230;</p>

	<p>Cugel said, &#8220;Since I am now committed to this enterprise, and unlikely to return, you may care to learn my appraisal of yourself and your character.  In the first place-&#8221;</p>

	<p>But Iucounu held up his hand.  &#8220;I do not care to listen; obloquy injures my self-esteem and I am skeptical of praise.  So now&#8212;be off!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 11  &quot;Blue World&quot; is not early Vance; I think it came out in the mid-60s, around the same time as &quot;Emphyrio&quot; but after the more philosophically based &quot;Languages of Pao&quot; and, not mentioned here yet, &quot;To Live Forever&quot;.

# 17 I don&#039;t recall the Institute ever being credited with possessing immortality.  That, OTOH, is the theme of &quot;To Live Forever,&quot; in which the Amaranth (Class Five) are immortal.  In a society of scarcity, the Emigration Office executes citizens when they reach their appointed age; strict selection (meritocratic or corrupt) allows a small proportion of each cohort to move to the next higher Class with longer life (the classes are Brood, Wedge, Third or Slope, Verge, and Amaranth).  Typically for Vance, the hero is a refugee from the system (why, we learn at the end) who has become a free individual with no fixed life expectancy but also no chance of becoming Amaranth. So he destroys the system.

I can&#039;t remember what Vance I first read, it may have been a Dying Earth story or &quot;The Dragon Masters&quot;.  It was well over 35 years ago, in any event.  In 1976 I had hoped to welcome Vance to Denmark, but his travels took him past, though I received a courteous letter from South Africa.  In 1977 I persuaded Poul Anderson to introduce us, and we (fiancée and I) visited the Vances in Oakland a couple times.  I am sorry to hear that his wife died, and I hope he manages to finish his autobiography.

Many, if not most of Vance&#039;s sf novels and stories share the theme of an individual (reminiscent in more ways than one of Van Vogt&#039;s &quot;competent man&quot; or Heinlein&#039;s system-breakers) who, without always intending to, breaks open a stagnant society: see all those mentioned as well as &quot;The Dragon Masters&quot;, &quot;The Last Castle&quot;, &quot;The Miracle Workers&quot;, the Durdane trilogy, the Araminta novels, etc. etc.  &quot;The Moon Moth&quot; is odd man out here, as it ends with the outsider protagonist being accepted by the rigidly hierarchical society to which he is emissary.  Whether any sociology can be developed from this scheme I don&#039;t know.

Trivia dept.: &quot;Baron Bodissey&quot; is the nom de guerre of a right-wing American blogger who runs the website &quot;Gates of Vienna&quot;.

Finally, a candidate for sociological analysis might be &quot;The Gray Prince&quot;, a stand-alone novel about a planet with a strange apparent history, settled by technological Earthers on one continent and neo-feudal land-barons on another.  Again, the story revolves around the undermining of this system by outsiders, although Vance springs a huge surprise about the history of the planet along the way. The novel is execrated by many for its apparent glorification of the feudal culture of the land-barons, but that requires not reading between the lines.  And who wouldn&#039;t want to be a land-baron, anyway?</description>
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		<li>11  &#8220;Blue World&#8221; is not early Vance; I think it came out in the mid-60s, around the same time as &#8220;Emphyrio&#8221; but after the more philosophically based &#8220;Languages of Pao&#8221; and, not mentioned here yet, &#8220;To Live Forever&#8221;.</li>
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		<li>17 I don&#8217;t recall the Institute ever being credited with possessing immortality.  That, <span class="caps">OTOH</span>, is the theme of &#8220;To Live Forever,&#8221; in which the Amaranth (Class Five) are immortal.  In a society of scarcity, the Emigration Office executes citizens when they reach their appointed age; strict selection (meritocratic or corrupt) allows a small proportion of each cohort to move to the next higher Class with longer life (the classes are Brood, Wedge, Third or Slope, Verge, and Amaranth).  Typically for Vance, the hero is a refugee from the system (why, we learn at the end) who has become a free individual with no fixed life expectancy but also no chance of becoming Amaranth. So he destroys the system.</li>
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	<p>I can&#8217;t remember what Vance I first read, it may have been a Dying Earth story or &#8220;The Dragon Masters&#8221;.  It was well over 35 years ago, in any event.  In 1976 I had hoped to welcome Vance to Denmark, but his travels took him past, though I received a courteous letter from South Africa.  In 1977 I persuaded Poul Anderson to introduce us, and we (fianc&#233;e and I) visited the Vances in Oakland a couple times.  I am sorry to hear that his wife died, and I hope he manages to finish his autobiography.</p>

	<p>Many, if not most of Vance&#8217;s sf novels and stories share the theme of an individual (reminiscent in more ways than one of Van Vogt&#8217;s &#8220;competent man&#8221; or Heinlein&#8217;s system-breakers) who, without always intending to, breaks open a stagnant society: see all those mentioned as well as &#8220;The Dragon Masters&#8221;, &#8220;The Last Castle&#8221;, &#8220;The Miracle Workers&#8221;, the Durdane trilogy, the Araminta novels, etc. etc.  &#8220;The Moon Moth&#8221; is odd man out here, as it ends with the outsider protagonist being accepted by the rigidly hierarchical society to which he is emissary.  Whether any sociology can be developed from this scheme I don&#8217;t know.</p>

	<p>Trivia dept.: &#8220;Baron Bodissey&#8221; is the nom de guerre of a right-wing American blogger who runs the website &#8220;Gates of Vienna&#8221;.</p>

	<p>Finally, a candidate for sociological analysis might be &#8220;The Gray Prince&#8221;, a stand-alone novel about a planet with a strange apparent history, settled by technological Earthers on one continent and neo-feudal land-barons on another.  Again, the story revolves around the undermining of this system by outsiders, although Vance springs a huge surprise about the history of the planet along the way. The novel is execrated by many for its apparent glorification of the feudal culture of the land-barons, but that requires not reading between the lines.  And who wouldn&#8217;t want to be a land-baron, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Tangurena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tangurena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one would appreciate it if the &lt;em&gt;Vance Integral Edition&lt;/em&gt; were made available again (which was all of his books and short stories). Or, failing that, if I could find someone willing to part with their&#039;s. As this is about 44 volumes, it is a rather large set of books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I for one would appreciate it if the <em>Vance Integral Edition</em> were made available again (which was all of his books and short stories). Or, failing that, if I could find someone willing to part with their&#8217;s. As this is about 44 volumes, it is a rather large set of books.</p>
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		<title>By: derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but &quot;somewhat limited&quot; is telegraphing the joke.  Vance should have trusted &quot;between amused indifference and easy condescension&quot; to bear the weight, as it easily could have. 

Dorothy Parker&#039;s more famous quip, that Katherine Hepburn&#039;s acting &quot;ran the gamut from A to B,&quot; gets it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, but &#8220;somewhat limited&#8221; is telegraphing the joke.  Vance should have trusted &#8220;between amused indifference and easy condescension&#8221; to bear the weight, as it easily could have.</p>

	<p>Dorothy Parker&#8217;s more famous quip, that Katherine Hepburn&#8217;s acting &#8220;ran the gamut from A to B,&#8221; gets it right.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The quoted passage... contains two &lt;b&gt;soliscisms:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

...inevitably...

&lt;i&gt;“My interest was cursory” – “cursory” means perfunctory or superficial. Applying it to one’s interest in something is incorrect or at least unidiomatic.&lt;/i&gt;

Not so. It is perfectly correct and idiomatic English to say, for example, &quot;X took only a cursory interest in politics&quot;. 

&quot;I thought to see&quot; is an antiquated way of saying &quot;I thought I saw&quot; but it is also correct - it can also, equally correctly, mean &quot;I expected to see&quot; but obviously it doesn&#039;t in this case. 

The &quot;somewhat limited gamut&quot; line is also entirely correct. &quot;Gamut&quot; means a range - like the word &quot;range&quot;, &quot;gamut&quot; alone normally implies a wide range - the character has only a limited range of facial expressions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The quoted passage&#8230; contains two <b>soliscisms:</b></i></p>

	<p>&#8230;inevitably&#8230;</p>

	<p><i>&#8220;My interest was cursory&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;cursory&#8221; means perfunctory or superficial. Applying it to one&#8217;s interest in something is incorrect or at least unidiomatic.</i></p>

	<p>Not so. It is perfectly correct and idiomatic English to say, for example, &#8220;X took only a cursory interest in politics&#8221;.</p>

	<p>&#8220;I thought to see&#8221; is an antiquated way of saying &#8220;I thought I saw&#8221; but it is also correct &#8211; it can also, equally correctly, mean &#8220;I expected to see&#8221; but obviously it doesn&#8217;t in this case.</p>

	<p>The &#8220;somewhat limited gamut&#8221; line is also entirely correct. &#8220;Gamut&#8221; means a range &#8211; like the word &#8220;range&#8221;, &#8220;gamut&#8221; alone normally implies a wide range &#8211; the character has only a limited range of facial expressions.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(a) How much, if any, distance is there between Vance himself and his fictional sociologist Unspiek, Baron Bodissey?

(b) Are ungoverned societies all the same?

(c) In Vance, to what extent are hierarchies innate or actively chosen? Take, for example, the ostensibly hierarchical, but actually fiercely egalitarian society found in &#039;Big Planet&#039;. I forget which one - guests sleeping in book room. But Henry will work it out.

(d) &#039;IPCC&#039; - morphic resonance or what? 

(e) Before writing &#039;Showboat World&#039;, did Vance ever encounter the museum ship &#039;Success&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(a) How much, if any, distance is there between Vance himself and his fictional sociologist Unspiek, Baron Bodissey?</p>

	<p>(b) Are ungoverned societies all the same?</p>

	<p>(c) In Vance, to what extent are hierarchies innate or actively chosen? Take, for example, the ostensibly hierarchical, but actually fiercely egalitarian society found in &#8216;Big Planet&#8217;. I forget which one &#8211; guests sleeping in book room. But Henry will work it out.</p>

	<p>(d) &#8216;IPCC&#8217; &#8211; morphic resonance or what?</p>

	<p>(e) Before writing &#8216;Showboat World&#8217;, did Vance ever encounter the museum ship &#8216;Success&#8217;?</p>
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