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		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/20/england-go-1-up/comment-page-1/#comment-282685</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>22 - not really, but it&#039;s the only alternative for some. But yes, I think it was probably an illusion to think that Australia would hold on after that 1st innings. That being said - I&#039;d have loved to be able to trade the Tour de France for the Ashes this week-end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>22 &#8211; not really, but it&#8217;s the only alternative for some. But yes, I think it was probably an illusion to think that Australia would hold on after that 1st innings. That being said &#8211; I&#8217;d have loved to be able to trade the Tour de France for the Ashes this week-end.</p>
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		<title>By: mart</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/20/england-go-1-up/comment-page-1/#comment-282629</link>
		<dc:creator>mart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has got to be the longest family feud in history, what with this guy having been cremated in 1882 and all... Why didn&#039;t he leave a Will saying who got to keep them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This has got to be the longest family feud in history, what with this guy having been cremated in 1882 and all&#8230; Why didn&#8217;t he leave a Will saying who got to keep them?</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/20/england-go-1-up/comment-page-1/#comment-282622</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>23: so true. And don&#039;t even mention the Calcutta Cup...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>23: so true. And don&#8217;t even mention the Calcutta Cup&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/20/england-go-1-up/comment-page-1/#comment-282580</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose that to a lot of people, the Ashes would be the epitome of boredom - it&#039;s always the same two teams in the final.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I suppose that to a lot of people, the Ashes would be the epitome of boredom &#8211; it&#8217;s always the same two teams in the final.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 Wow, you can tell that the 2nd innings was unexciting just by reading the stats! All that nervous tension I was building up during Clarke&#039;s partnership with Haddin was merely an illusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#21 Wow, you can tell that the 2nd innings was unexciting just by reading the stats! All that nervous tension I was building up during Clarke&#8217;s partnership with Haddin was merely an illusion.</p>
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		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/20/england-go-1-up/comment-page-1/#comment-282575</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>17 - I don&#039;t have the benefit of coverage of the Ashes, but I do have the benefit of stats and posts. The abyss between both is wide. This match clearly the 1st innings did it. It could only be lost for England after that. Most games are predictably unexciting -  like this one in the 2nd innings. As Tverski has shown we forget all the unexciting bits, and cling on to the last exciting bit as if nothing else happened. Talking about Flintoff, just as in the previous thread about Pietersen.

What I&#039;m saying is: I wasn&#039;t on about Tall Poppies but merely about bad analysis.

From the stats, the only relevant prediction is that when England puts Australia batting under pressure they stand a good chance to come away with their relatively mediocre bowling (taking 5 wickets from a team under pressure to score is maybe more exciting, but, on analysis, less of an achievement than taking more than one on a side that starts batting). It&#039;s kind of sad really to attack in one thread a batting performance and praise in the second a bolwing performance when it should have been the other way around.

Capiche ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>17 &#8211; I don&#8217;t have the benefit of coverage of the Ashes, but I do have the benefit of stats and posts. The abyss between both is wide. This match clearly the 1st innings did it. It could only be lost for England after that. Most games are predictably unexciting &#8211;  like this one in the 2nd innings. As Tverski has shown we forget all the unexciting bits, and cling on to the last exciting bit as if nothing else happened. Talking about Flintoff, just as in the previous thread about Pietersen.</p>

	<p>What I&#8217;m saying is: I wasn&#8217;t on about Tall Poppies but merely about bad analysis.</p>

	<p>From the stats, the only relevant prediction is that when England puts Australia batting under pressure they stand a good chance to come away with their relatively mediocre bowling (taking 5 wickets from a team under pressure to score is maybe more exciting, but, on analysis, less of an achievement than taking more than one on a side that starts batting). It&#8217;s kind of sad really to attack in one thread a batting performance and praise in the second a bolwing performance when it should have been the other way around.</p>

	<p>Capiche ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Anselmo Quemot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anselmo Quemot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help chuckling at some of these claims that the umpiring didn&#039;t make too much difference to the match. Remember that Australia required only a rate of 3 runs per over to win on the final day. They needed only to survive to draw, so they had a real chance to remain competitive up until the end. It&#039;s also too early and a rather ahistorical  assumption to make that the bad decisions will all &quot;even out in the end&quot;. A case could also be made that the regular &quot;resting&quot;/subbing of England&#039;s key players while a match is in progress is not really consistent with the spirit of &quot;Test&quot; cricket, insofar as fitness is part of the test of endurance that should be played out on the field (as opposed to behind the scenes with a physiotherapist or whatever).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I can&#8217;t help chuckling at some of these claims that the umpiring didn&#8217;t make too much difference to the match. Remember that Australia required only a rate of 3 runs per over to win on the final day. They needed only to survive to draw, so they had a real chance to remain competitive up until the end. It&#8217;s also too early and a rather ahistorical  assumption to make that the bad decisions will all &#8220;even out in the end&#8221;. A case could also be made that the regular &#8220;resting&#8221;/subbing of England&#8217;s key players while a match is in progress is not really consistent with the spirit of &#8220;Test&#8221; cricket, insofar as fitness is part of the test of endurance that should be played out on the field (as opposed to behind the scenes with a physiotherapist or whatever).</p>
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		<title>By: alanb</title>
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		<dc:creator>alanb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16 I agree - it was a corker. A Hawkeye replay actually did it justice - Swann dropped the pace by about five miles an hour from the previous ball, which made Clarke mistake the length, expecting to reach it on the full toss but playing over it. And the drift made him play down the wrong line to boot. One of the world&#039;s best players of spin, well set, totally deceived. Terrific delivery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#16 I agree &#8211; it was a corker. A Hawkeye replay actually did it justice &#8211; Swann dropped the pace by about five miles an hour from the previous ball, which made Clarke mistake the length, expecting to reach it on the full toss but playing over it. And the drift made him play down the wrong line to boot. One of the world&#8217;s best players of spin, well set, totally deceived. Terrific delivery.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other pro for making Australia bat last was that it forced Ponting to watch another somewhat inept display from his bowlers,  as opposed to allowing immediate redemption with the bat.

As for Flintoff, he may well be looking at Vaughan and thinking that knackered Test players no longer have to eke out the remainder of their careers in county cricket, thanks to the IPL and/or Sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The other pro for making Australia bat last was that it forced Ponting to watch another somewhat inept display from his bowlers,  as opposed to allowing immediate redemption with the bat.</p>

	<p>As for Flintoff, he may well be looking at Vaughan and thinking that knackered Test players no longer have to eke out the remainder of their careers in county cricket, thanks to the <span class="caps">IPL</span> and/or Sky.</p>
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		<title>By: mart</title>
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		<dc:creator>mart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
Judging by this, England can’t win. If they draw, they played poorly. If they win, they do so because of umpiring, cortisones and one person exceeding himself.

    It’s funny, really, in a very sad kind of way.
&lt;/i&gt;

Oh Jeebus, the Tall Poppy thingie again. I think everyone on this thread is happy that we won. We&#039;ve done that bit. Now we&#039;re doing the &lt;i&gt;analysis&lt;/i&gt; bit, where people comment on what the strengths and weaknesses are on both sides and we make predictions about how the rest of the series will pan out, capiche? We won this Test because we played better by far, the umpiring decisions probably wouldn&#039;t have changed the result, but they were worth noting for being appalling. And yes, Flintoff playing to the standard he was last at back in 2005 made a big difference. And in that Cardiff draw, we did in fact play poorly.</description>
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Judging by this, England can&#8217;t win. If they draw, they played poorly. If they win, they do so because of umpiring, cortisones and one person exceeding himself.</i></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s funny, really, in a very sad kind of way.<br />
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	<p>Oh Jeebus, the Tall Poppy thingie again. I think everyone on this thread is happy that we won. We&#8217;ve done that bit. Now we&#8217;re doing the <i>analysis</i> bit, where people comment on what the strengths and weaknesses are on both sides and we make predictions about how the rest of the series will pan out, capiche? We won this Test because we played better by far, the umpiring decisions probably wouldn&#8217;t have changed the result, but they were worth noting for being appalling. And yes, Flintoff playing to the standard he was last at back in 2005 made a big difference. And in that Cardiff draw, we did in fact play poorly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly miffed that Swann&#039;s delivery to Clarke didn&#039;t get a better write up. Loop, drift and spin, it had everything. Totally did Clarke in the flight, dropping like a stone, I thought it was a cracker, but friends seem to think Clarke missed a full toss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Slightly miffed that Swann&#8217;s delivery to Clarke didn&#8217;t get a better write up. Loop, drift and spin, it had everything. Totally did Clarke in the flight, dropping like a stone, I thought it was a cracker, but friends seem to think Clarke missed a full toss.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerry @10 - forgot about that. It does make the umpiring look a more significant influence, though FWIW and in line with your general remark, he can&#039;t really complain it was undeserved. And Doctrove turned down what looked like two good lbw shouts against Clarke from Anderson in the 1st over today. False negatives are less high profile but obviously can be just as influential. I&#039;ll swap my two Clarkes for your one Hussey.

dsquared @9 - yep, undoubtedly - and announcing his retirement was a commitment to giving his left leg for a second ashes win. At that moment (cue corny freeze-frame) he became not just selectable but undroppable. Then the IPL calls, if he still manage 4 over spells by then (and perhaps even if not?). I can&#039;t see him playing much of the 50 over stuff. 

Incidentally, someone on TMS yesterday suggested something similar to an idea I&#039;ve occasionally propounded - the 1 day game moving to 25/25/25/25 format, though I came at it from the pov of 20/20 being doubled up to reduce the luck and dead-innings components. I think T20 is going to become pretty old pretty quickly once a formula is settled on, so maybe both reforms would meet in the middle. Of course that would mean longer games which reduces the newfound appeal - though coming along for the second innings alone might still be a draw? Matches could even be split over two days/evenings.

And BTW Swann bowled some real corkers, eh, even off the flat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Gerry @10 &#8211; forgot about that. It does make the umpiring look a more significant influence, though <span class="caps">FWIW</span> and in line with your general remark, he can&#8217;t really complain it was undeserved. And Doctrove turned down what looked like two good lbw shouts against Clarke from Anderson in the 1st over today. False negatives are less high profile but obviously can be just as influential. I&#8217;ll swap my two Clarkes for your one Hussey.</p>

	<p>dsquared @9 &#8211; yep, undoubtedly &#8211; and announcing his retirement was a commitment to giving his left leg for a second ashes win. At that moment (cue corny freeze-frame) he became not just selectable but undroppable. Then the <span class="caps">IPL</span> calls, if he still manage 4 over spells by then (and perhaps even if not?). I can&#8217;t see him playing much of the 50 over stuff.</p>

	<p>Incidentally, someone on <span class="caps">TMS</span> yesterday suggested something similar to an idea I&#8217;ve occasionally propounded &#8211; the 1 day game moving to 25/25/25/25 format, though I came at it from the pov of 20/20 being doubled up to reduce the luck and dead-innings components. I think <span class="caps">T20</span> is going to become pretty old pretty quickly once a formula is settled on, so maybe both reforms would meet in the middle. Of course that would mean longer games which reduces the newfound appeal &#8211; though coming along for the second innings alone might still be a draw? Matches could even be split over two days/evenings.</p>

	<p>And <span class="caps">BTW </span>Swann bowled some real corkers, eh, even off the flat.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly wasn&#039;t trying to suggest that England didn&#039;t win!  In any case, cortisone&#039;s not a banned substance and Flintoff&#039;s decision about the medical risks versus how much he wants to win the Ashes is his to make and not mine to gainsay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I certainly wasn&#8217;t trying to suggest that England didn&#8217;t win!  In any case, cortisone&#8217;s not a banned substance and Flintoff&#8217;s decision about the medical risks versus how much he wants to win the Ashes is his to make and not mine to gainsay.</p>
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		<title>By: JoB</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging by this, England can&#039;t win. If they draw,  they played poorly. If they win, they do so because of umpiring, cortisones and one person exceeding himself.

It&#039;s funny, really, in a very sad kind of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Judging by this, England can&#8217;t win. If they draw,  they played poorly. If they win, they do so because of umpiring, cortisones and one person exceeding himself.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s funny, really, in a very sad kind of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, when Steve Waugh doesn&#039;t enforce a follow on its mental disintegration, when Strauss doesn&#039;t it&#039;s vascillation.  

I don&#039;t think the umpiring decisions were that bad, really. Ponting was out - Anderson was appealing for lbw, not caught behind. Out off a no ball is unlucky, but hardly  the most eggregious umpiring error - I&#039;m amazed on field umpires are still asked to try and spot no balls.  The Strauss catch looked good to the on field umpires, so you have to go with that, it was out - TV slow mo&#039;s add nothing to close catching decisons. Hussey was very unlucky, but 99 umpires in 100 would have given it out.  As with the last series, the good and bad decisions will even themselves out over the series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Funny, when Steve Waugh doesn&#8217;t enforce a follow on its mental disintegration, when Strauss doesn&#8217;t it&#8217;s vascillation.</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think the umpiring decisions were that bad, really. Ponting was out &#8211; Anderson was appealing for lbw, not caught behind. Out off a no ball is unlucky, but hardly  the most eggregious umpiring error &#8211; I&#8217;m amazed on field umpires are still asked to try and spot no balls.  The Strauss catch looked good to the on field umpires, so you have to go with that, it was out &#8211; TV slow mo&#8217;s add nothing to close catching decisons. Hussey was very unlucky, but 99 umpires in 100 would have given it out.  As with the last series, the good and bad decisions will even themselves out over the series.</p>
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