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		<title>By: Gareth Rees</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/24/i-am-just-going-outside-and-may-be-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-284606</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the indomitable Shackleton&lt;/i&gt;

I have a lot of respect for Shackleton too. Nonetheless, we form our judgements with the benefit of hindsight: had Shackleton, Worsley &amp; Crean glissaded over a cliff on South Georgia, and Scott, Wilson &amp; Bowers survived, we might be lauding the &quot;indomitable Scott&quot; and criticizing the poor planning of Shackleton that led to the deaths of his entire expedition. Antarctic exploration in the &quot;heroic&quot; age was a gamble even for the most skillful.

From another sporting context, Harold Drasco, &lt;cite&gt;Margins of Safety&lt;/cite&gt;. &quot;By a &lt;em&gt;sequential accident&lt;/em&gt; I mean the end point in a chain of events, an accident which happens under pressure and which is any one of a random range of accidents available in the situation the climber has constructed, or which follows the only choice of action he has left himself. The chain of events may appear to have last five minutes or five hours; but it may also be seen to have extended for five years or longer, and this extreme case is worth thinking about.

&quot;Climbers in this category may be described as being too committed to survive. One has to avoid direct illustration here, but from observation and reading it is perfectly clear that the literature and folklore or disaster exert a powerful influence on some climbers. Psychologists have described a characteristic type of fantasy in which a child invents a catastrophe—a bus  crash, for example—from which it is the only survivor. It is possible to see the survivor-stories with which mountaineering is so well provided—&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Cassin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cassin&lt;/a&gt; on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piz_Badile&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Badile&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Bonatti&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bonatti&lt;/a&gt; on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.summitpost.org/image/179369/179240/-mont-blanc-south-face.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Frêney Pillar&lt;/a&gt;, and countless others—as offering real-life archetypes of these fantasies. The charge of feeling in such tragedies is so strong that, however painfully it is expressed, the reader or listener cannot avoid a response. The drama is almost always accompanied by all the atmospherics at Nature&#039;s disposal. And, in contrast to this backcloth, the onward drive and inflexibility of purpose which carries the protagonist safely through appears as the essential quality which distinguishes the great mountaineer from the good mountaineer and which tilts the scales in favour of survival.

&quot;This is an utterly false conclusion, but the voices of survivors impress us more than inscriptions on tombstones.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>the indomitable Shackleton</i></p>

	<p>I have a lot of respect for Shackleton too. Nonetheless, we form our judgements with the benefit of hindsight: had Shackleton, Worsley &#038; Crean glissaded over a cliff on South Georgia, and Scott, Wilson &#038; Bowers survived, we might be lauding the &#8220;indomitable Scott&#8221; and criticizing the poor planning of Shackleton that led to the deaths of his entire expedition. Antarctic exploration in the &#8220;heroic&#8221; age was a gamble even for the most skillful.</p>

	<p>From another sporting context, Harold Drasco, <cite>Margins of Safety</cite>. &#8220;By a <em>sequential accident</em> I mean the end point in a chain of events, an accident which happens under pressure and which is any one of a random range of accidents available in the situation the climber has constructed, or which follows the only choice of action he has left himself. The chain of events may appear to have last five minutes or five hours; but it may also be seen to have extended for five years or longer, and this extreme case is worth thinking about.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Climbers in this category may be described as being too committed to survive. One has to avoid direct illustration here, but from observation and reading it is perfectly clear that the literature and folklore or disaster exert a powerful influence on some climbers. Psychologists have described a characteristic type of fantasy in which a child invents a catastrophe&#8212;a bus  crash, for example&#8212;from which it is the only survivor. It is possible to see the survivor-stories with which mountaineering is so well provided&#8212;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Cassin" rel="nofollow">Cassin</a> on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piz_Badile" rel="nofollow">Badile</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Bonatti" rel="nofollow">Bonatti</a> on the <a href="http://www.summitpost.org/image/179369/179240/-mont-blanc-south-face.html" rel="nofollow">Fr&#234;ney Pillar</a>, and countless others&#8212;as offering real-life archetypes of these fantasies. The charge of feeling in such tragedies is so strong that, however painfully it is expressed, the reader or listener cannot avoid a response. The drama is almost always accompanied by all the atmospherics at Nature&#8217;s disposal. And, in contrast to this backcloth, the onward drive and inflexibility of purpose which carries the protagonist safely through appears as the essential quality which distinguishes the great mountaineer from the good mountaineer and which tilts the scales in favour of survival.</p>

	<p>&#8220;This is an utterly false conclusion, but the voices of survivors impress us more than inscriptions on tombstones.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cownie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/24/i-am-just-going-outside-and-may-be-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-284190</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think it’s also plausible that in conditions of near-starvation and near-impossible odds, the decision-making process, whether good or bad at other times, may not be at its best&quot;

True, but the eloquence and clarity of Scott&#039;s letters, written in that final camp, show that
his mental function was as good as ever.  Freezing to death in that tent, he wrote himself
a myth that lasted about 60 years.  That&#039;s an impressive achievement of literature and
propaganda.  But as a planner and leader, I&#039;d take the efficient Amundsen, the brilliant
Nansen, or the indomitable Shackleton every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s also plausible that in conditions of near-starvation and near-impossible odds, the decision-making process, whether good or bad at other times, may not be at its best&#8221;</p>

	<p>True, but the eloquence and clarity of Scott&#8217;s letters, written in that final camp, show that<br />
his mental function was as good as ever.  Freezing to death in that tent, he wrote himself<br />
a myth that lasted about 60 years.  That&#8217;s an impressive achievement of literature and<br />
propaganda.  But as a planner and leader, I&#8217;d take the efficient Amundsen, the brilliant<br />
Nansen, or the indomitable Shackleton every time.</p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s also plausible that in conditions of near-starvation and near-impossible odds, the decision-making process, whether good or bad at other times, may not be at its best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think it&#8217;s also plausible that in conditions of near-starvation and near-impossible odds, the decision-making process, whether good or bad at other times, may not be at its best.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cownie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/24/i-am-just-going-outside-and-may-be-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-284117</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you’re going to attempt to micro-manage Scott’s decision-making in March 1912, then you owe him a bit more attention to the conditions he was facing&quot;

Which we can never know, because we only have Scott&#039;s word for what the conditions
were in that place at that time.  He writes &quot;scene of whirling drift&quot;, but he doesn&#039;t give
any wind or temperature measurements.  And recent research suggests that while a 4-day
blizzard is very possible, an 11-day blizzard is highly implausible.  

I think Scott was a good writer and evidently a very persuasive fellow.  I also think he
was a damn fool and a lousy planner and decision-maker, and not to be trusted on any
matter of consequence - most especially on anything related to the reasons for the failure
of his expedition.

Anyhow, I guess it doesn&#039;t matter: after 140+ days of Scott&#039;s favored man-hauling on
Scott&#039;s inadequate sledging rations, Evans and Oates were dead before the final camp,
Scott was crippled by frostbite and gangrene, and Wilson and Bowers were greatly
weakened.  I see a lot more incompetence than heroism, YMMV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;If you&#8217;re going to attempt to micro-manage Scott&#8217;s decision-making in March 1912, then you owe him a bit more attention to the conditions he was facing&#8221;</p>

	<p>Which we can never know, because we only have Scott&#8217;s word for what the conditions<br />
were in that place at that time.  He writes &#8220;scene of whirling drift&#8221;, but he doesn&#8217;t give<br />
any wind or temperature measurements.  And recent research suggests that while a 4-day<br />
blizzard is very possible, an 11-day blizzard is highly implausible.</p>

	<p>I think Scott was a good writer and evidently a very persuasive fellow.  I also think he<br />
was a damn fool and a lousy planner and decision-maker, and not to be trusted on any<br />
matter of consequence &#8211; most especially on anything related to the reasons for the failure<br />
of his expedition.</p>

	<p>Anyhow, I guess it doesn&#8217;t matter: after 140+ days of Scott&#8217;s favored man-hauling on<br />
Scott&#8217;s inadequate sledging rations, Evans and Oates were dead before the final camp,<br />
Scott was crippled by frostbite and gangrene, and Wilson and Bowers were greatly<br />
weakened.  I see a lot more incompetence than heroism, <span class="caps">YMMV</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Rees</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/24/i-am-just-going-outside-and-may-be-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-284054</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Whatever&lt;/i&gt;

No, not “whatever”. If you’re going to attempt to micro-manage Scott’s decision-making in March 1912, then you owe him a bit more attention to the conditions he was facing.

In your view, Scott was stupid for not making “a dash to One Ton Depot” and had  maybe even “talked (or even ordered) the others out of making the attempt”. But what he wrote in his diary was “[March 21, 1912] To-day forlorn hope, Wilson and Bowers going to depot for fuel.” ... “[March 22] Blizzard bad as ever—Wilson and Bowers unable to start—to-morrow last chance” ... “[March 29] Every day we have been ready to start for our depot 11 miles away, but outside the door of the tent it remains a scene of whirling drift.” So maybe the “dash” to the depot was substantially more difficult and dangerous than you make out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Whatever</i></p>

	<p>No, not &#8220;whatever&#8221;. If you&#8217;re going to attempt to micro-manage Scott&#8217;s decision-making in March 1912, then you owe him a bit more attention to the conditions he was facing.</p>

	<p>In your view, Scott was stupid for not making &#8220;a dash to One Ton Depot&#8221; and had  maybe even &#8220;talked (or even ordered) the others out of making the attempt&#8221;. But what he wrote in his diary was &#8220;[March 21, 1912] To-day forlorn hope, Wilson and Bowers going to depot for fuel.&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;[March 22] Blizzard bad as ever&#8212;Wilson and Bowers unable to start&#8212;to-morrow last chance&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;[March 29] Every day we have been ready to start for our depot 11 miles away, but outside the door of the tent it remains a scene of whirling drift.&#8221; So maybe the &#8220;dash&#8221; to the depot was substantially more difficult and dangerous than you make out.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cownie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/24/i-am-just-going-outside-and-may-be-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-283973</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Alternatively, leaving the tent mean certain death from cold, whereas if they stayed in the tent they had a chance&quot; 

Whatever.  If you choose to believe Scott was a consistently good decision-maker and judge
of risks, then I suppose you&#039;ll also choose to believe that his final decisions were good.
Personally, I think he was a consistently lousy decision-maker, so I&#039;m inclined to see the
final inertia as the last in a long sequence of questionable choices - starting with the preference
for man-hauling over dogs, the purchase of particularly weak ponies, and the decision to
site One Ton Depot 35 miles further north than originally planned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Alternatively, leaving the tent mean certain death from cold, whereas if they stayed in the tent they had a chance&#8221;</p>

	<p>Whatever.  If you choose to believe Scott was a consistently good decision-maker and judge<br />
of risks, then I suppose you&#8217;ll also choose to believe that his final decisions were good.<br />
Personally, I think he was a consistently lousy decision-maker, so I&#8217;m inclined to see the<br />
final inertia as the last in a long sequence of questionable choices &#8211; starting with the preference<br />
for man-hauling over dogs, the purchase of particularly weak ponies, and the decision to<br />
site One Ton Depot 35 miles further north than originally planned.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Rees</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/24/i-am-just-going-outside-and-may-be-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-283954</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To stay in the tent once the fuel ran out meant 100% certain death from dehydration.  If one or more had tried to go on it would have given them a chance, no matter how slim.&lt;/i&gt;

Alternatively, leaving the tent mean certain death from cold, whereas if they stayed in the tent they had a chance, no matter how slim, of surviving until the weather improved enough for them to reach the depot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>To stay in the tent once the fuel ran out meant 100% certain death from dehydration.  If one or more had tried to go on it would have given them a chance, no matter how slim.</i></p>

	<p>Alternatively, leaving the tent mean certain death from cold, whereas if they stayed in the tent they had a chance, no matter how slim, of surviving until the weather improved enough for them to reach the depot.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cownie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/24/i-am-just-going-outside-and-may-be-some-time/comment-page-1/#comment-283941</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(1) he didn’t know exactly how close he was and (2) in a blizzard he could easily walk right past the Camp&quot;

They didn&#039;t know exactly, but they had a pretty good idea, since they had a fix from the
previous depot, and the sledgemeter (a wheel on the back of the sled) would give them a
dead-reckoning estimate of how far they had travelled since then.  The second objection I
think is more serious, in low visibility it would be a risk: though AFAIK they had found
all their other depots ok, in varying weather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;(1) he didn&#8217;t know exactly how close he was and (2) in a blizzard he could easily walk right past the Camp&#8221;</p>

	<p>They didn&#8217;t know exactly, but they had a pretty good idea, since they had a fix from the<br />
previous depot, and the sledgemeter (a wheel on the back of the sled) would give them a<br />
dead-reckoning estimate of how far they had travelled since then.  The second objection I<br />
think is more serious, in low visibility it would be a risk: though <span class="caps">AFAIK</span> they had found<br />
all their other depots ok, in varying weather.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Terra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize it&#039;s a bit grisly, but in addition to Amundsen&#039;s dogs simply working better than the ponies Scott brought (to say nothing of the crude motorized vehicles Scott brought), there was a &lt;i&gt;huge&lt;/i&gt; logistical advantage to Amundsen&#039;s decision to use dogs: while the ponies had to haul their own feed, at enormous expense, dogs could be fed using other dogs. As I said in my first phrase, decidedly unpretty - but extremely efficient in cutting down on the supplies needed to support them.

RE the upthread notion that because Scott was only a dozen miles from One-Ton Camp he should have toughed it out: I thought the issues were (1) he didn&#039;t know exactly how close he was and (2) in a blizzard he could easily walk right past the Camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I realize it&#8217;s a bit grisly, but in addition to Amundsen&#8217;s dogs simply working better than the ponies Scott brought (to say nothing of the crude motorized vehicles Scott brought), there was a <i>huge</i> logistical advantage to Amundsen&#8217;s decision to use dogs: while the ponies had to haul their own feed, at enormous expense, dogs could be fed using other dogs. As I said in my first phrase, decidedly unpretty &#8211; but extremely efficient in cutting down on the supplies needed to support them.</p>

	<p>RE the upthread notion that because Scott was only a dozen miles from One-Ton Camp he should have toughed it out: I thought the issues were (1) he didn&#8217;t know exactly how close he was and (2) in a blizzard he could easily walk right past the Camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cownie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Cownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Markham was incredibly weird.&quot;

Yes.  And to modern eyes, isn&#039;t there even an undercurrent of homoeroticism and even
S&amp;M in the emphasis on physique, endurance of pain and suffering, and men wearing
harnesses ?   Nansen and Amundsen just wanted to achieve the goal in the most efficient
and least risky way (though &quot;risky&quot; is a relative term in these exploits); Markham and Scott
got some kind of kick out of doing it with pain and suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Markham was incredibly weird.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Yes.  And to modern eyes, isn&#8217;t there even an undercurrent of homoeroticism and even<br />
S&#038;M in the emphasis on physique, endurance of pain and suffering, and men wearing<br />
harnesses ?   Nansen and Amundsen just wanted to achieve the goal in the most efficient<br />
and least risky way (though &#8220;risky&#8221; is a relative term in these exploits); Markham and Scott<br />
got some kind of kick out of doing it with pain and suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cownie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Cownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But really, isn&#039;t it weird that they never even *tried* to get to One Ton Depot ?  To stay in the
tent once the fuel ran out meant 100% certain death from dehydration.  If one or more had
tried to go on it would have given them a chance, no matter how slim.

As for the bad weather, Bowers and Wilson (together with Cherry-Garrard) had been on the
winter sledging trip: they knew travel even in winter conditions was *possible*, even if
painfully slow.

I don&#039;t think the decision to stay in the tent was rational: of course people suffering from
dehydration and hypothermia tend to take bad decisions - but then Scott was still
able to write well, his mental function wasn&#039;t that bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>But really, isn&#8217;t it weird that they never even <strong>tried</strong> to get to One Ton Depot ?  To stay in the<br />
tent once the fuel ran out meant 100% certain death from dehydration.  If one or more had<br />
tried to go on it would have given them a chance, no matter how slim.</p>

	<p>As for the bad weather, Bowers and Wilson (together with Cherry-Garrard) had been on the<br />
winter sledging trip: they knew travel even in winter conditions was <strong>possible</strong>, even if<br />
painfully slow.</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think the decision to stay in the tent was rational: of course people suffering from<br />
dehydration and hypothermia tend to take bad decisions &#8211; but then Scott was still<br />
able to write well, his mental function wasn&#8217;t that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Rees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They were only 11 miles away. That’s six hours of slow walking.&lt;/i&gt;

I concur with ajay.

In &lt;cite&gt;The Worst Journey in the World&lt;/cite&gt; Cherry-Garrard quotes Levick&#039;&#039;s account of shifting camp on Inexpressible Island (a journey of no more than a mile) in March 1912: &quot;our journey [...] lay, first of all, across half a mile of clear blue ice, swept by the unbroken wind, which met us almost straight in the face. We could never stand up, so had to scramble the whole distance on &#039;all fours,&#039; lying flat on our bellies in the gusts. By the time we had reached the other side we had had enough. Our faces had been rather badly bitten, and I have a very strong recollection of the men&#039;s countenances, which were a leaden blue, streaked with white patches of frost-bite. Once across, however, we reached the shelter of some large boulders on the shore of the island, and waited here long enough to thaw out our noses, ears, and cheeks.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>They were only 11 miles away. That&#8217;s six hours of slow walking.</i></p>

	<p>I concur with ajay.</p>

	<p>In <cite>The Worst Journey in the World</cite> Cherry-Garrard quotes Levick&#8217;&#8217;s account of shifting camp on Inexpressible Island (a journey of no more than a mile) in March 1912: &#8220;our journey [...] lay, first of all, across half a mile of clear blue ice, swept by the unbroken wind, which met us almost straight in the face. We could never stand up, so had to scramble the whole distance on &#8216;all fours,&#8217; lying flat on our bellies in the gusts. By the time we had reached the other side we had had enough. Our faces had been rather badly bitten, and I have a very strong recollection of the men&#8217;s countenances, which were a leaden blue, streaked with white patches of frost-bite. Once across, however, we reached the shelter of some large boulders on the shore of the island, and waited here long enough to thaw out our noses, ears, and cheeks.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markham was incredibly weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Markham was incredibly weird.</p>
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		<title>By: belle le triste</title>
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		<dc:creator>belle le triste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cecil Meares is easily the most fascinating figure in the whole Scott story -- he steps straight out of Kipling, and, after falling out with Scott, straight back in; almost nothing seems to be known about his life; there&#039;s speculation that he was active in the Great Game in backlands China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cecil Meares is easily the most fascinating figure in the whole Scott story&#8212;he steps straight out of Kipling, and, after falling out with Scott, straight back in; almost nothing seems to be known about his life; there&#8217;s speculation that he was active in the Great Game in backlands China.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give it up, Richard, you&#039;re only embarrassing yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Give it up, Richard, you&#8217;re only embarrassing yourself.</p>
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