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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/30/another-one-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-284929</link>
		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sg, Dinesh d&#039;Souza is a case study, nuttily testing the limits of this approach. 
He thought he was onto a winner with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/books/review/Wolfe.t.html?_r=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Enemy at Home&lt;/a&gt;.
His mistake was to make matters so explicit he wound up calling for an alliance. 
His foreignness hadn&#039;t handicapped him before. But once he crossed that threshold, he ran out of defenders fast. It turned out to be too much even for the NRO.
Within defined limits, though, contempt for the despised euroweenie and admiration for the indomitable Other have proved to be fruitful ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>sg, Dinesh d&#8217;Souza is a case study, nuttily testing the limits of this approach.<br />
He thought he was onto a winner with <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/books/review/Wolfe.t.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">The Enemy at Home</a>.<br />
His mistake was to make matters so explicit he wound up calling for an alliance.<br />
His foreignness hadn&#8217;t handicapped him before. But once he crossed that threshold, he ran out of defenders fast. It turned out to be too much even for the <span class="caps">NRO</span>.<br />
Within defined limits, though, contempt for the despised euroweenie and admiration for the indomitable Other have proved to be fruitful ground.</p>
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		<title>By: sg</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/30/another-one-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-284920</link>
		<dc:creator>sg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m struck by how much the authors of this genre seem to equate the US and Islam. When they speak of &lt;i&gt;a culture that is anchored, confident, and strengthened by common doctrines&lt;/i&gt; I can really feel them contrasting the US and Europe, as well as Europe and Islam. I think quite a few of them do it explicitly. It&#039;s really disturbing how they admire what they hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m struck by how much the authors of this genre seem to equate the US and Islam. When they speak of <i>a culture that is anchored, confident, and strengthened by common doctrines</i> I can really feel them contrasting the US and Europe, as well as Europe and Islam. I think quite a few of them do it explicitly. It&#8217;s really disturbing how they admire what they hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yellow peril, red menace, eurabia... The lyrics change, the song remains the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yellow peril, red menace, eurabia&#8230; The lyrics change, the song remains the same.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/30/another-one-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-284811</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a new problem

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/books/review/Ajami-t.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We have a new problem</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/books/review/Ajami-t.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/books/review/Ajami-t.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donald Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sad to say, the unearned respect given Caldwell is not unique: didn’t the NYT just praise Bruce Bawer’s version of the same argument?&quot;

Yes.  They also published another review in the same issue of a book about Israel which the reviewer said was fair, except perhaps to the Arabs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Sad to say, the unearned respect given Caldwell is not unique: didn&#8217;t the <span class="caps">NYT</span> just praise Bruce Bawer&#8217;s version of the same argument?&#8221;</p>

	<p>Yes.  They also published another review in the same issue of a book about Israel which the reviewer said was fair, except perhaps to the Arabs.</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/30/another-one-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-284689</link>
		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the NYT review I assume you&#039;re referring to.
Representative sample: &quot;Like an action-movie hero he walks calmly away from his own detonations while fire swirls behind him.&quot;
To call it a rave doesn&#039;t do it justice. It&#039;s more of a leg-hump.

I think you&#039;ve picked the right target. Matt Carr by contrast complains about the equivalent British response, and has far less of a case. The review by David Goodhart that he complains about explicitly criticises Caldwell for &quot;recycling a mild version of the neoconservative Eurabia thesis&quot;. It&#039;s a polite review, containing more than a few compliments, but it&#039;s clear about what&#039;s wrong: &quot;the book is really two essays - one an insightful probing of Europe&#039;s confusion about postwar immigration; the other a rather cartoonish polemic about the potential Islamic takeover of Europe.&quot; 

The polemic is tailor-made for an ideologically precommitted American audience. It&#039;s pandering to a market. The rationalisation Caldwell and others have hit upon for explaining why the Eurabia industry has had less success in the European marketplace is interesting. Self-censorship, driven by political correctness and cowardly self-preservation, is trumping free speech. That&#039;s the kind of thinking Karl Popper used to call unfalsifiable.

Unlike Carr, I think the balance of Goodhart&#039;s review is about right. If in fact Caldwell is getting comparatively gentle treatment from the bastions of British liberalism, as Carr suggests, it may be largely as a result of his having arrived at the FT shortly after the departure of Amity Shlaes. Sure he&#039;s an American right winger, goes the reasoning, but at least he &#039;s not a horn-honking halfwit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just read the <span class="caps">NYT</span> review I assume you&#8217;re referring to.<br />
Representative sample: &#8220;Like an action-movie hero he walks calmly away from his own detonations while fire swirls behind him.&#8221;<br />
To call it a rave doesn&#8217;t do it justice. It&#8217;s more of a leg-hump.</p>

	<p>I think you&#8217;ve picked the right target. Matt Carr by contrast complains about the equivalent British response, and has far less of a case. The review by David Goodhart that he complains about explicitly criticises Caldwell for &#8220;recycling a mild version of the neoconservative Eurabia thesis&#8221;. It&#8217;s a polite review, containing more than a few compliments, but it&#8217;s clear about what&#8217;s wrong: &#8220;the book is really two essays &#8211; one an insightful probing of Europe&#8217;s confusion about postwar immigration; the other a rather cartoonish polemic about the potential Islamic takeover of Europe.&#8221;</p>

	<p>The polemic is tailor-made for an ideologically precommitted American audience. It&#8217;s pandering to a market. The rationalisation Caldwell and others have hit upon for explaining why the Eurabia industry has had less success in the European marketplace is interesting. Self-censorship, driven by political correctness and cowardly self-preservation, is trumping free speech. That&#8217;s the kind of thinking Karl Popper used to call unfalsifiable.</p>

	<p>Unlike Carr, I think the balance of Goodhart&#8217;s review is about right. If in fact Caldwell is getting comparatively gentle treatment from the bastions of British liberalism, as Carr suggests, it may be largely as a result of his having arrived at the FT shortly after the departure of Amity Shlaes. Sure he&#8217;s an American right winger, goes the reasoning, but at least he &#8217;s not a horn-honking halfwit.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16: jon, I think it is worth pointing out that there just isn&#039;t the evidence to back up fears of an Islamic takeover of Ireland. And beliefs which are not supported by evidence probably should be ignored and dismissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>16: jon, I think it is worth pointing out that there just isn&#8217;t the evidence to back up fears of an Islamic takeover of Ireland. And beliefs which are not supported by evidence probably should be ignored and dismissed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Christensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Dang, I forgot&lt;/em&gt; ... Pittelkow started out as a revolutionary Sozialist...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Dang, I forgot</em> &#8230; Pittelkow started out as a revolutionary Sozialist&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Christensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically speaking, Pia Kjærsgaard (or the Danish People&#039;s Party) doesn&#039;t hold government office. That said, they control the Danish public and political agenda pretty effectively. For those reading Scandinavian or willing to try a web-translator:

Interview with DF&#039;s #2 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vejleamtsfolkeblad.dk/artikel/132359:Mennesker--Thulesen-Dahl---Der-skal-ikke-flere-muslimer-til-Danmark&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kristian Thulesen Dahl&lt;/a&gt;

Ralf Pittelkow about &lt;a href=&quot;http://jp.dk/opinion/pittelkow/article1764172.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Islamic Ireland&lt;/a&gt;. (Much could be said about Mr. P, but in a way he&#039;s Danish Neo-Conservatism light - started out as a revolutionary socialist in the 1960s, moved right, and right, and these days he&#039;s an op-ed writer in Jyllands-Posten).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Technically speaking, Pia Kj&#230;rsgaard (or the Danish People&#8217;s Party) doesn&#8217;t hold government office. That said, they control the Danish public and political agenda pretty effectively. For those reading Scandinavian or willing to try a web-translator:</p>

	<p>Interview with DF&#8217;s #2 <a href="http://www.vejleamtsfolkeblad.dk/artikel/132359:Mennesker--Thulesen-Dahl---Der-skal-ikke-flere-muslimer-til-Danmark" rel="nofollow">Kristian Thulesen Dahl</a></p>

	<p>Ralf Pittelkow about <a href="http://jp.dk/opinion/pittelkow/article1764172.ece" rel="nofollow">Islamic Ireland</a>. (Much could be said about Mr. P, but in a way he&#8217;s Danish Neo-Conservatism light &#8211; started out as a revolutionary socialist in the 1960s, moved right, and right, and these days he&#8217;s an op-ed writer in Jyllands-Posten).</p>
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		<title>By: des von bladet</title>
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		<dc:creator>des von bladet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You are so right. Americans have projected Geert Wilders and the Party for Freedom’s success in the Netherlands. Projected them right into office.&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps you could remind us what office Geert Wilders currently holds?   (Were you thinking of Danmark&#039;s Pia Kjærsgaard?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>You are so right. Americans have projected Geert Wilders and the Party for Freedom&#8217;s success in the Netherlands. Projected them right into office.</i></p>

	<p>Perhaps you could remind us what office Geert Wilders currently holds?   (Were you thinking of Danmark&#8217;s Pia Kj&#230;rsgaard?)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/30/another-one-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-284675</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;American conservatives are all about projection. In domestic politics, 

You are so right. Americans have projected Geert Wilders and the Party for Freedom&#039;s success in the Netherlands. Projected them right into office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>>>American conservatives are all about projection. In domestic politics,</p>

	<p>You are so right. Americans have projected Geert Wilders and the Party for Freedom&#8217;s success in the Netherlands. Projected them right into office.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/07/30/another-one-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-284670</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My intuition is that (some) Americans actually feel a sense of decline in their country and communities (not so much because of the lack of economic growth in my view, but rather because the balance between public and private goods is so tilted that an increase of the latter leads to only marginal improvements in quality of life), but prefer to project that feeling on Europeans rather than facing it...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Give that man a cigar. American conservatives are &lt;i&gt;all about&lt;/i&gt; projection. In domestic politics, you can be sure that &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt; they accuse their opponents of doing is something they want to do or actually have done. Naturally they carry their projection habit over to their &quot;thinking&quot; about international affairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>My intuition is that (some) Americans actually feel a sense of decline in their country and communities (not so much because of the lack of economic growth in my view, but rather because the balance between public and private goods is so tilted that an increase of the latter leads to only marginal improvements in quality of life), but prefer to project that feeling on Europeans rather than facing it&#8230;</blockquote></p>

	<p>Give that man a cigar. American conservatives are <i>all about</i> projection. In domestic politics, you can be sure that <i>anything</i> they accuse their opponents of doing is something they want to do or actually have done. Naturally they carry their projection habit over to their &#8220;thinking&#8221; about international affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the level of abuse endured by people of arabic descent or even with names sounding vaguely &quot;arabic&quot; or &quot;muslims&quot; to untrained ears was not so depressing, there would be something highly amusing about this EUrabia business. It is a rare case of a community of people bemoaning the decline of another community of people altogether. It is mostly a case of people living in North America obsessing about the decline of Europe, the obvious question being: why do you care so much, when we Europeans mostly don&#039;t? 

My intuition is that (some) Americans actually feel a sense of decline in their country and communities (not so much because of the lack of economic growth in my view, but rather because the balance between public and private goods is so tilted that an increase of the latter leads to only marginal improvements in quality of life), but prefer to project that feeling on Europeans rather than facing it: all what they don&#039;t have, and maybe secretly long for, (affordable health care and education, less violent crimes, social mobility, a relatively relaxed attitude towards gays and minorities), they turn in the reason of our imminent descent into chaos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If the level of abuse endured by people of arabic descent or even with names sounding vaguely &#8220;arabic&#8221; or &#8220;muslims&#8221; to untrained ears was not so depressing, there would be something highly amusing about this EUrabia business. It is a rare case of a community of people bemoaning the decline of another community of people altogether. It is mostly a case of people living in North America obsessing about the decline of Europe, the obvious question being: why do you care so much, when we Europeans mostly don&#8217;t?</p>

	<p>My intuition is that (some) Americans actually feel a sense of decline in their country and communities (not so much because of the lack of economic growth in my view, but rather because the balance between public and private goods is so tilted that an increase of the latter leads to only marginal improvements in quality of life), but prefer to project that feeling on Europeans rather than facing it: all what they don&#8217;t have, and maybe secretly long for, (affordable health care and education, less violent crimes, social mobility, a relatively relaxed attitude towards gays and minorities), they turn in the reason of our imminent descent into chaos.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@16: Is it really fair to say that islamophobia is marginalized and censored; what about Phillips, Steyn and all the rest of them? They &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; in the mainstream and have been for a long time. Seems to me what Matt Carr is complaining about the uncritical reception by &lt;i&gt;intellectuals&lt;/i&gt;, who should know better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@16: Is it really fair to say that islamophobia is marginalized and censored; what about Phillips, Steyn and all the rest of them? They <i>are</i> in the mainstream and have been for a long time. Seems to me what Matt Carr is complaining about the uncritical reception by <i>intellectuals</i>, who should know better.</p>
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		<title>By: jon livesey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon livesey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And the uncritical reception given to this artful anti-Muslim diatribe in liberal circles is a depressing reminder of the extent to which its essential assumptions have moved from the political margins to form a new mainstream consensus.&quot;

Gosh, I wonder how that could have happened.   No doubt some monkey just sat down at a typewriter, and before you know it, this obviously-wrong-and-all-right-thinking-people-know-it stuff just sort of &quot;moved&quot; from the margins to the mainstream.  Like a turd floating into the middle of the river.

It certainly could not have been because actual people &quot;thought&quot; about what was going on around them.   Nor could it have been that people who always thought this were marginalized and censored, but now more and more people are beginning to think: Gee, maybe they have a point.   And I&#039;m sure it couldn&#039;t be because what moving to the mainstream means is more people thinking what only a few used to.

As we know, when right-thinking people have opinions, it&#039;s because of their thoughts.   Other people, well, it&#039;s just sort of random noise, isn&#039;t it.   That&#039;s the best way to dismiss opinions with which you cannot engage: label them &quot;uncritical&quot; or describe them as mere detritus in the unconscious flow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;And the uncritical reception given to this artful anti-Muslim diatribe in liberal circles is a depressing reminder of the extent to which its essential assumptions have moved from the political margins to form a new mainstream consensus.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Gosh, I wonder how that could have happened.   No doubt some monkey just sat down at a typewriter, and before you know it, this obviously-wrong-and-all-right-thinking-people-know-it stuff just sort of &#8220;moved&#8221; from the margins to the mainstream.  Like a turd floating into the middle of the river.</p>

	<p>It certainly could not have been because actual people &#8220;thought&#8221; about what was going on around them.   Nor could it have been that people who always thought this were marginalized and censored, but now more and more people are beginning to think: Gee, maybe they have a point.   And I&#8217;m sure it couldn&#8217;t be because what moving to the mainstream means is more people thinking what only a few used to.</p>

	<p>As we know, when right-thinking people have opinions, it&#8217;s because of their thoughts.   Other people, well, it&#8217;s just sort of random noise, isn&#8217;t it.   That&#8217;s the best way to dismiss opinions with which you cannot engage: label them &#8220;uncritical&#8221; or describe them as mere detritus in the unconscious flow.</p>
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