Comments on: Saving the cat http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sun, 27 May 2012 11:57:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Henry (not the famous one) http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287652 Henry (not the famous one) Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:57:18 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287652 To roac at 37 By now means the first time courts have relied on lack of service in cases of this sort. See Mayo v. Satan and His Staff, http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:NbGkLDroUA0J:kevinunderhill.typepad.com/Documents/Mayo_v_Satan.pdf+satan+and+his+staff+class+action&hl=en&gl=us, which has some erudite discussion of defendant classes. To roac at 37

By now means the first time courts have relied on lack of service in cases of this sort. See Mayo v. Satan and His Staff, http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:NbGkLDroUA0J:kevinunderhill.typepad.com/Documents/Mayo_v_Satan.pdf+satan+and+his+staff+class+action&hl=en&gl=us, which has some erudite discussion of defendant classes.

]]> By: James Wimberley http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287330 James Wimberley Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:38:45 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287330 Peter in # 9: "What if the cats arise to Heaven when the Rapture comes, and all humans burn in Hell?" Remember the <i>kdaptist</i> heresy among Larry Niven's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kzin" rel="nofollow">kzin</a> which held that "Man was made in the image of God". Man, not kzin (because men kept winning the wars). One of the nice features about the Plotinist "great chain of being" was that it put humans in a merely privileged, not exclusive, place in the creation. There were amoebae and turtles below and angels above, indeed several grades of angels. For a serious discussion of dinosaur pain in theodicy, see John Hicks, <i>Evil and the God of Love.</i> Peter in # 9:

“What if the cats arise to Heaven when the Rapture comes, and all humans burn in Hell?”

Remember the kdaptist heresy among Larry Niven’s kzin which held that “Man was made in the image of God”. Man, not kzin (because men kept winning the wars). One of the nice features about the Plotinist “great chain of being” was that it put humans in a merely privileged, not exclusive, place in the creation. There were amoebae and turtles below and angels above, indeed several grades of angels. For a serious discussion of dinosaur pain in theodicy, see John Hicks, Evil and the God of Love.

]]> By: mg56 http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287321 mg56 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:13:51 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287321 <i>There’s a great parody of Bergman’s Seventh Sign (Seal?) in Monty Python’s the Meaning of Life. A bourgeois dinner party dies en masse from bad salmon mousse. When death comes to escort them away, they ask if they can take their cars.</i> And they *were* allowed to take their cars. The salmon was left behind though. There’s a great parody of Bergman’s Seventh Sign (Seal?) in Monty Python’s the Meaning of Life. A bourgeois dinner party dies en masse from bad salmon mousse. When death comes to escort them away, they ask if they can take their cars.

And they were allowed to take their cars. The salmon was left behind though.

]]> By: roac http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287306 roac Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:07:11 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287306 As a footnote to 29: This Chambers may not actually be certifiable, but just one of those people who enjoy hearing their names spoken on TV so much they don't care why. All the more reason for giving him short shrift when he messes with people who have work to do. (Incidentally, no. 19 by Glen Tomkins is of course utterly correct, but the short title for the last book of the New Testament is "Revelation"; "Revelations" though common is a Vulgar Error.) As a footnote to 29: This Chambers may not actually be certifiable, but just one of those people who enjoy hearing their names spoken on TV so much they don’t care why. All the more reason for giving him short shrift when he messes with people who have work to do.

(Incidentally, no. 19 by Glen Tomkins is of course utterly correct, but the short title for the last book of the New Testament is “Revelation”; “Revelations” though common is a Vulgar Error.)

]]> By: roac http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287304 roac Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:55:48 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287304 27: You can file suit against anyone or anything, homeless or not, existent or not. But at some point, in order to go forward, you have to document the fact that someone acting on your behalf found the defendant and officially notified him or her of the suit. I don't know exactly what happened in the Nebraska case. But society obviously has an interest in limiting the amount of judicial time that can be wasted by lunatics. (Good smart hard-working judges are pearls beyond price -- for an illustration that will be familiar to many here, see Judge Jones's decision in the Dover creationism case -- and their time is a scarce resource if there ever was one.) 27: You can file suit against anyone or anything, homeless or not, existent or not. But at some point, in order to go forward, you have to document the fact that someone acting on your behalf found the defendant and officially notified him or her of the suit.

I don’t know exactly what happened in the Nebraska case. But society obviously has an interest in limiting the amount of judicial time that can be wasted by lunatics. (Good smart hard-working judges are pearls beyond price—for an illustration that will be familiar to many here, see Judge Jones’s decision in the Dover creationism case— and their time is a scarce resource if there ever was one.)

]]> By: rea http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287279 rea Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:09:05 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287279 <i>We are told there point-blank exactly what the literal reference is for the key figures in the Apocalypse narrative, that they are the first eight Roman emperors. The eighth is the Anti-Christ.</i> Vitellius (emperor April 17, 69 AD - December 20, 69 AD) was the antichrist? If so, he was something of a flop . . . We are told there point-blank exactly what the literal reference is for the key figures in the Apocalypse narrative, that they are the first eight Roman emperors. The eighth is the Anti-Christ.

Vitellius (emperor April 17, 69 AD - December 20, 69 AD) was the antichrist? If so, he was something of a flop . . .

]]> By: JSG http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287266 JSG Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:16:43 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287266 <blockquote>engels 08.29.09 at 5:33 pm A US judge has thrown out a case against God, ruling that because the defendant has no address, legal papers cannot be served.</blockquote> I guess that means you can't file suit against homeless people. Imagine, Bernie Madoff would be untouchable, if only he had no address. No wonder Dick Cheney is maintaining so many "secure undisclose locations".
engels 08.29.09 at 5:33 pm
A US judge has thrown out a case against God, ruling that because the defendant has no address, legal papers cannot be served.

I guess that means you can’t file suit against homeless people. Imagine, Bernie Madoff would be untouchable, if only he had no address.

No wonder Dick Cheney is maintaining so many “secure undisclose locations”.

]]> By: Joshua Holmes http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287250 Joshua Holmes Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:51:38 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287250 Holden, I Corinthians 15 answers most of your questions, I think. Holden,

I Corinthians 15 answers most of your questions, I think.

]]> By: Ken http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287241 Ken Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:46:36 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287241 We are told that heaven is a place of pure joy. We are also told that our loved ones, in heaven, look down upon us and watch over us. We know, without having to be told, that there is much pain, suffering, and general anguish among those of us still alive on Earth. The conclusion is obvious and inescapable: go to heaven and become a Sadist, who enjoys the suffering of those left behind. We are told that heaven is a place of pure joy.

We are also told that our loved ones, in heaven, look down upon us and watch over us.

We know, without having to be told, that there is much pain, suffering, and general anguish among those of us still alive on Earth.

The conclusion is obvious and inescapable: go to heaven and become a Sadist, who enjoys the suffering of those left behind.

]]> By: ban http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287237 ban Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:37:59 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287237 Wow, I never thought of this. You could make alot of money off this. Think of it - to deny buying 'rapture insurance' is to doubt or deny it will happen, then what kind of believer are you? Wow, I never thought of this. You could make alot of money off this. Think of it – to deny buying ‘rapture insurance’ is to doubt or deny it will happen, then what kind of believer are you?

]]> By: goatchowder http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287236 goatchowder Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:34:04 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287236 Schroedinger's Wingnut? Schroedinger’s Wingnut?

]]> By: Brian CB http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287233 Brian CB Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:19:37 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287233 As a Muslim, I'm cheated of the rapture, but totally down with the idea of Rapture Insurance. I'll insure the upbringing of your demon spawn and take care of your worldly goods. For a price. As a Muslim, I’m cheated of the rapture, but totally down with the idea of Rapture Insurance. I’ll insure the upbringing of your demon spawn and take care of your worldly goods. For a price.

]]> By: Karl Steel http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287232 Karl Steel Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:09:05 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287232 Fascinating stuff, and good for the atheists. I've actually dealt with some of this stuff in a history of ideas sort of context: see <a href="http://www.inthemedievalmiddle.com/2008/12/animals-and-resurrection.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> (although I'm refined some of these points since then). As for the q. of nonhuman animals having souls: mainstream medieval Xian thought granted animals souls, namely, animal souls, as opposed to vegetative souls and rational souls, but, barring a few outliers (Adelard of Bath, for example), no medieval Xian thinkers thought animal souls were immortal. == <i>Would hair and toenails continue to grow and need cutting?</i> (etc.) Augustine deals with these questions in City of God and Enchiridion (and prob. other places): the answer is no. I think you can find the core of most mainstream medieval Xian resurrection doctrine in City of God XXII. Fascinating stuff, and good for the atheists. I’ve actually dealt with some of this stuff in a history of ideas sort of context: see here (although I’m refined some of these points since then). As for the q. of nonhuman animals having souls: mainstream medieval Xian thought granted animals souls, namely, animal souls, as opposed to vegetative souls and rational souls, but, barring a few outliers (Adelard of Bath, for example), no medieval Xian thinkers thought animal souls were immortal.

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Would hair and toenails continue to grow and need cutting? (etc.)
Augustine deals with these questions in City of God and Enchiridion (and prob. other places): the answer is no. I think you can find the core of most mainstream medieval Xian resurrection doctrine in City of God XXII.

]]> By: LysergicAsset http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287231 LysergicAsset Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:07:48 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287231 @lemuel pitkin: This has already been covered in an episode of Law & Order! @lemuel pitkin: This has already been covered in an episode of Law & Order!

]]> By: Agent420 http://crookedtimber.org/2009/08/28/saving-the-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-287229 Agent420 Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:46:28 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=12717#comment-287229 I'm moving into one of those big houses along the Columbia River. Thanks for leaving! <b>Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!</b> I’m moving into one of those big houses along the Columbia River. Thanks for leaving! Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!

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