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		<title>By: Josh Glenn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/09/10/joe-gargery-original-cool-cat/comment-page-1/#comment-288288</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex said: &quot;&#039;Cool&#039; is all very well, until it becomes the affected indifference to all forms of real human contact, concern, empathy and society. Which, alas, it often seems to.&quot; This is how Pip himself uses the word &quot;cool&quot; everywhere else in the book -- as opposed to &quot;cold,&quot; which he uses for actual/sociopathic indifference, as opposed to affected.

For example: &quot;&#039;You can say what you like,&#039; returned the sergeant, standing coolly looking at him [Magwitch, the convict] with his arms folded, &#039;but you have no call to say it here.&#039;&quot;

When Jaggers is humiliating/tormenting Molly (Estella&#039;s mother): &quot;&#039;There&#039;s power here,&#039; said Mr. Jaggers, coolly tracing out the sinews with his forefinger.&quot;

And: &quot;I was beginning to express my gratitude to my benefactor for the great liberality with which I was treated, when Mr. Jaggers stopped me. &#039;I am not paid, Pip,&#039; said he, coolly, &#039;to carry your words to any one&#039;...&quot;

Pip never calls Estella&#039;s behvaior &quot;cool,&quot; though. &quot;Cold,&quot; but not cool. &quot;Estella was always about, and always let me in and out, but never told me I might kiss her again. Sometimes, she would coldly tolerate me; sometimes, she would condescend to me; sometimes, she would be quite familiar with me; sometimes, she would tell me energetically that she hated me.&quot; The over-rational Jaggers is cool; the irrational Estella cold.

And then there&#039;s money. When Jaggers first gives him some of his inheritance, Pip recounts: Jaggers &quot;produced a long purse, with the greatest coolness, and counted them [twenty guineas] out on the table and pushed them over to me.&quot; And when Pip tries (unsuccessfully) to become more like Jaggers, he recounts: &quot;I established with myself, on these occasions, the reputation of a first-rate man of business,—prompt, decisive, energetic, clear, cool-headed.&quot; Of course, he is anything but cool-headed; like Joe, whose place in Pip&#039;s emotional life Jaggers is unable to usurp, Pip is warm.

So when Joe calls a sum of money a &quot;cool four thousand,&quot; Pip is only affecting not to understand how a sum can be cool. Joe is mistakenly equating coolness with sophistication and worldly wisdom -- just as he (Pip) formerly had a manifest relish in insisting that his business-head was a cool one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Alex said: &#8220;&#8217;Cool&#8217; is all very well, until it becomes the affected indifference to all forms of real human contact, concern, empathy and society. Which, alas, it often seems to.&#8221; This is how Pip himself uses the word &#8220;cool&#8221; everywhere else in the book&#8212;as opposed to &#8220;cold,&#8221; which he uses for actual/sociopathic indifference, as opposed to affected.</p>

	<p>For example: &#8220;&#8217;You can say what you like,&#8217; returned the sergeant, standing coolly looking at him [Magwitch, the convict] with his arms folded, &#8216;but you have no call to say it here.&#8217;&#8221;</p>

	<p>When Jaggers is humiliating/tormenting Molly (Estella&#8217;s mother): &#8220;&#8217;There&#8217;s power here,&#8217; said Mr. Jaggers, coolly tracing out the sinews with his forefinger.&#8221;</p>

	<p>And: &#8220;I was beginning to express my gratitude to my benefactor for the great liberality with which I was treated, when Mr. Jaggers stopped me. &#8216;I am not paid, Pip,&#8217; said he, coolly, &#8216;to carry your words to any one&#8217;&#8230;&#8221;</p>

	<p>Pip never calls Estella&#8217;s behvaior &#8220;cool,&#8221; though. &#8220;Cold,&#8221; but not cool. &#8220;Estella was always about, and always let me in and out, but never told me I might kiss her again. Sometimes, she would coldly tolerate me; sometimes, she would condescend to me; sometimes, she would be quite familiar with me; sometimes, she would tell me energetically that she hated me.&#8221; The over-rational Jaggers is cool; the irrational Estella cold.</p>

	<p>And then there&#8217;s money. When Jaggers first gives him some of his inheritance, Pip recounts: Jaggers &#8220;produced a long purse, with the greatest coolness, and counted them [twenty guineas] out on the table and pushed them over to me.&#8221; And when Pip tries (unsuccessfully) to become more like Jaggers, he recounts: &#8220;I established with myself, on these occasions, the reputation of a first-rate man of business,&#8212;prompt, decisive, energetic, clear, cool-headed.&#8221; Of course, he is anything but cool-headed; like Joe, whose place in Pip&#8217;s emotional life Jaggers is unable to usurp, Pip is warm.</p>

	<p>So when Joe calls a sum of money a &#8220;cool four thousand,&#8221; Pip is only affecting not to understand how a sum can be cool. Joe is mistakenly equating coolness with sophistication and worldly wisdom&#8212;just as he (Pip) formerly had a manifest relish in insisting that his business-head was a cool one.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Liu has a rather large and very interesting book about &quot;cool&quot; and post-war American culture, with a particular focus on the Internet, entitled _The Laws of Cool_:  just about everything mentioned on this thread and lots more gets attention....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Alan Liu has a rather large and very interesting book about &#8220;cool&#8221; and post-war American culture, with a particular focus on the Internet, entitled <em>The Laws of Cool</em>:  just about everything mentioned on this thread and lots more gets attention&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Hot can be cool, and cool can be hot, and each can be both. But hot or cool, man, jazz is jazz.”  
--- Louis Armstrong


Not convinced you&#039;re gonna get to the root of cool by obscurantizing it as much as possible.  Just sayin&#039;, it ain&#039;t the most direct route to figuring out what&#039;s cool and what&#039;s not.  Usage and root meanings aren&#039;t that far below the surface, one, but the method of analysis-as-entomologist --- that is, treating a word as a bug and then dipping it formaldehyde and then pinning it, dead, to a board and sliding it into a drawer rather than seeing what has done -- recently, in context, in the fabric of life, as a living word -- just isn&#039;t gonna help you any.  Halfway there, sure, but not exactly on the shortest or surest track to what is, I guess, the goal here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Hot can be cool, and cool can be hot, and each can be both. But hot or cool, man, jazz is jazz.&#8221;&#8212;- Louis Armstrong</p>


	<p>Not convinced you&#8217;re gonna get to the root of cool by obscurantizing it as much as possible.  Just sayin&#8217;, it ain&#8217;t the most direct route to figuring out what&#8217;s cool and what&#8217;s not.  Usage and root meanings aren&#8217;t that far below the surface, one, but the method of analysis-as-entomologist&#8212;- that is, treating a word as a bug and then dipping it formaldehyde and then pinning it, dead, to a board and sliding it into a drawer rather than seeing what has done&#8212;recently, in context, in the fabric of life, as a living word&#8212;just isn&#8217;t gonna help you any.  Halfway there, sure, but not exactly on the shortest or surest track to what is, I guess, the goal here.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Now why did my previous post garner scarcely a comment?”&lt;/i&gt;

You do realize, I hope,  that because of this question, all comments on this thread must be regarded as  pity comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;Now why did my previous post garner scarcely a comment?&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>You do realize, I hope,  that because of this question, all comments on this thread must be regarded as  pity comments.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cool&quot; also describes a criminal who could be trusted not to bring unnecessary attention to himself and not to give the police an excuse to intervene, and who could  be trusted to behave appropriately in a difficult situation. Jazz always had some sort of connection to the underworld.  Some say this is the primary meaning (though derivable from the generic non-criminal  &quot;behaves calmly under pressure&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Cool&#8221; also describes a criminal who could be trusted not to bring unnecessary attention to himself and not to give the police an excuse to intervene, and who could  be trusted to behave appropriately in a difficult situation. Jazz always had some sort of connection to the underworld.  Some say this is the primary meaning (though derivable from the generic non-criminal  &#8220;behaves calmly under pressure&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
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		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A website of unknown reliability says that &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.baseballlibrary.com/ballplayers/player.php?name=Cool_Papa_Bell_1903&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cool Papa Bell&lt;/a&gt; had acquired his nickname as early as 1922.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A website of unknown reliability says that <a HREF="http://www.baseballlibrary.com/ballplayers/player.php?name=Cool_Papa_Bell_1903" rel="nofollow">Cool Papa Bell</a> had acquired his nickname as early as 1922.</p>
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		<title>By: giotto</title>
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		<dc:creator>giotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, no no is claiming that composure was unknown in European culture.  Thompson even addresses this, which you would know had you looked at the source before shooting off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ben, no no is claiming that composure was unknown in European culture.  Thompson even addresses this, which you would know had you looked at the source before shooting off.</p>
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		<title>By: Praisegod Barebones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praisegod Barebones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or all they all one. Is there a unity of the coolnesses, akin to the unity of the virtues?

I&#039;m fairly sure that coolness is radically disunified. 2o years ago a schoolfriend observed to me that the kind of coolness exemplified by Judge Dredd in 2000AD was incompatible with the kind of coolness exemplified by his Latin teacher. (Having met the Latin teacher, I agreed.) The firneds suggestion was that &#039;cool&#039; should be treated as a vector quantity, with both magnitude and direction, rather than as a scalar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Or all they all one. Is there a unity of the coolnesses, akin to the unity of the virtues?</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m fairly sure that coolness is radically disunified. 2o years ago a schoolfriend observed to me that the kind of coolness exemplified by Judge Dredd in 2000AD was incompatible with the kind of coolness exemplified by his Latin teacher. (Having met the Latin teacher, I agreed.) The firneds suggestion was that &#8216;cool&#8217; should be treated as a vector quantity, with both magnitude and direction, rather than as a scalar.</p>
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		<title>By: Flann O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flann O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Plain People of everywhere this side of At-Swim-Two Birds are mine.  Go elsewhere young man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Plain People of everywhere this side of At-Swim-Two Birds are mine.  Go elsewhere young man.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;from West Africa where various words for “cool” refer to composure, self-control, mastery of self: a moral as well as an aesthetic idea&lt;/em&gt;

That West African influence in &lt;em&gt;Beowulf&lt;/em&gt; will come as a surprise to scholars of Old English, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>from West Africa where various words for &#8220;cool&#8221; refer to composure, self-control, mastery of self: a moral as well as an aesthetic idea</em></p>

	<p>That West African influence in <em>Beowulf</em> will come as a surprise to scholars of Old English, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by John Holbo on September 10, 2009

&quot;Now why did my previous post garner scarcely a comment?&quot;

Ok, Ok, here&#039;s a pity comment :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>by John Holbo on September 10, 2009</p>

	<p>&#8220;Now why did my previous post garner scarcely a comment?&#8221;</p>

	<p>Ok, Ok, here&#8217;s a pity comment :)</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Now why did my previous post garner scarcely a comment?&lt;/i&gt;

Because it said &quot;Plato,&quot; right there in the title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Now why did my previous post garner scarcely a comment?</i></p>

	<p>Because it said &#8220;Plato,&#8221; right there in the title.</p>
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		<title>By: belle le triste</title>
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		<dc:creator>belle le triste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cool vs hot via jazz is latterday back-formation, I think: this is somewhat from memory, but cool and hot are BOTH already terms of approbation in various African cultures -- there&#039;s a nice passage in John Miller Chernoff&#039;s sociological study of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.press.uchicago.edu/presssite/metadata.epl?mode=synopsis&amp;bookkey=3630586&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;studying under a Ghanaian drum master&lt;/a&gt;... he&#039;s in a bar, a band is playing, he&#039;s noting that there&#039;s an appreciation of the most elegant, minimalist dancers --- someone else at the bar spots he&#039;s just tapping his toe, visible bcz he has on sandals, to the band and delightedly crowns him the coolest dancer in the place... because he&#039;s responding so controlledly to the (presumably hot) band

kricfalusi&#039;s position is largely about inter-hipster cultural positioning and niche micro-differentiation, i think...  

otoh: &lt;i&gt;happy happy joy joy! log log log!&lt;/i&gt;

you should all rush out and read the chernoff anyway</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The cool vs hot via jazz is latterday back-formation, I think: this is somewhat from memory, but cool and hot are <span class="caps">BOTH</span> already terms of approbation in various African cultures&#8212;there&#8217;s a nice passage in John Miller Chernoff&#8217;s sociological study of <a href="http://www.press.uchicago.edu/presssite/metadata.epl?mode=synopsis&#038;bookkey=3630586" rel="nofollow">studying under a Ghanaian drum master</a>&#8230; he&#8217;s in a bar, a band is playing, he&#8217;s noting that there&#8217;s an appreciation of the most elegant, minimalist dancers&#8212;- someone else at the bar spots he&#8217;s just tapping his toe, visible bcz he has on sandals, to the band and delightedly crowns him the coolest dancer in the place&#8230; because he&#8217;s responding so controlledly to the (presumably hot) band</p>

	<p>kricfalusi&#8217;s position is largely about inter-hipster cultural positioning and niche micro-differentiation, i think&#8230;</p>

	<p>otoh: <i>happy happy joy joy! log log log!</i></p>

	<p>you should all rush out and read the chernoff anyway</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@21, no, I don&#039;t think it works like that; not usually. Blondie is cool, but Angel Eyes isn&#039;t - too cold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@21, no, I don&#8217;t think it works like that; not usually. Blondie is cool, but Angel Eyes isn&#8217;t &#8211; too cold.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cool&quot; is all very well, until it becomes the affected indifference to all forms of real human contact, concern, empathy and society. Which, alas, it often seems to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Cool&#8221; is all very well, until it becomes the affected indifference to all forms of real human contact, concern, empathy and society. Which, alas, it often seems to.</p>
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