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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Substance McGravitas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/09/15/40-days-and-a-mule/comment-page-2/#comment-289198</link>
		<dc:creator>Substance McGravitas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that someone has snagged Dow 36,000 already.  Apologies b9n10nt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Except that someone has snagged Dow 36,000 already.  Apologies b9n10nt!</p>
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		<title>By: Substance McGravitas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/09/15/40-days-and-a-mule/comment-page-2/#comment-289197</link>
		<dc:creator>Substance McGravitas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shoulda gone with this for Candide:  Dow 36,000: The New Strategy for Profiting From the Coming Rise in the Stock Market</description>
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		<title>By: Fourcultures</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/09/15/40-days-and-a-mule/comment-page-2/#comment-289195</link>
		<dc:creator>Fourcultures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Favourite so far is The Dangerous Book for Adults - inspired!

Then: The Odyssey
Now:  Rosy-fingered Dawn: Turn &lt;em&gt;Any &lt;/em&gt;Business Trip into the Journey of a Lifetime (in Ten Years or Less)!

Or: He&#039;s Leaving - She&#039;s Weaving: How today&#039;s long-distance relationships are redefining love and commitment.

Then: The Iliad
Now: Feel the Flaw and do it Anyway: Anger Management and the New Art of Making a Killing.

Then: The Anabasis (Xenophon)
Now: Never Turn Back: Wisdom on a Tough Road, by History&#039;s Most Daring Leader (with a new introduction by Ben Bernanke).

Then: Thorstein Veblen (1899) The Theory of the Leisure Class 
Now: Timothy Ferriss (2007) The 4-Hour Workweek: Escape 9-5, Live Anywhere, and Join the New Rich 
...just goes to show you can&#039;t beat the real thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My Favourite so far is The Dangerous Book for Adults &#8211; inspired!</p>

	<p>Then: The Odyssey<br />
Now:  Rosy-fingered Dawn: Turn <em>Any </em>Business Trip into the Journey of a Lifetime (in Ten Years or Less)!</p>

	<p>Or: He&#8217;s Leaving &#8211; She&#8217;s Weaving: How today&#8217;s long-distance relationships are redefining love and commitment.</p>

	<p>Then: The Iliad<br />
Now: Feel the Flaw and do it Anyway: Anger Management and the New Art of Making a Killing.</p>

	<p>Then: The Anabasis (Xenophon)<br />
Now: Never Turn Back: Wisdom on a Tough Road, by History&#8217;s Most Daring Leader (with a new introduction by Ben Bernanke).</p>

	<p>Then: Thorstein Veblen (1899) The Theory of the Leisure Class<br />
Now: Timothy Ferriss (2007) The 4-Hour Workweek: Escape 9-5, Live Anywhere, and Join the New Rich<br />
&#8230;just goes to show you can&#8217;t beat the real thing.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/09/15/40-days-and-a-mule/comment-page-2/#comment-288678</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>75: Lorenzo de Medici, IIRC. Or possibly Alexander or Hannibal? Can&#039;t remember which examples NM uses most frequently.

76: also, I suppose we could make a distinction between &quot;torture by private actors, though technically illegal, generally goes unpunished by the state&quot; and &quot;torture is used by agents of the state&quot;.  
To use an analogy, it&#039;s not good that cars get stolen all the time and the police generally don&#039;t do much to investigate it; but it would be worse if the police themselves regularly stole cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>75: Lorenzo de Medici, <span class="caps">IIRC</span>. Or possibly Alexander or Hannibal? Can&#8217;t remember which examples NM uses most frequently.</p>

	<p>76: also, I suppose we could make a distinction between &#8220;torture by private actors, though technically illegal, generally goes unpunished by the state&#8221; and &#8220;torture is used by agents of the state&#8221;.<br />
To use an analogy, it&#8217;s not good that cars get stolen all the time and the police generally don&#8217;t do much to investigate it; but it would be worse if the police themselves regularly stole cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether there was a universal ban on torture is a separate question from whether there was an &lt;b&gt;effective&lt;/b&gt; universal ban on torture, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Whether there was a universal ban on torture is a separate question from whether there was an <b>effective</b> universal ban on torture, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/09/15/40-days-and-a-mule/comment-page-2/#comment-288614</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For &lt;i&gt;The Prince&lt;/i&gt; it would really have to be something like, &lt;i&gt;Be A Bastard And Murder Your Way to the Top! Management Secrets of Cesare Borgia&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For <i>The Prince</i> it would really have to be something like, <i>Be A Bastard And Murder Your Way to the Top! Management Secrets of Cesare Borgia</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then: Guilty Men
Now: The Hutton Inquiry

As for slavery, there is copious evidence from the British Atlantic empire, pre and post 1776, that the very few slaveoweners who were disciplined for maltreating their slaves were a tiny minority of the far larger group who got away with it. There was a lot of unpunished torture going on, much of which was really imaginatively horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Then: Guilty Men<br />
Now: The Hutton Inquiry</p>

	<p>As for slavery, there is copious evidence from the British Atlantic empire, pre and post 1776, that the very few slaveoweners who were disciplined for maltreating their slaves were a tiny minority of the far larger group who got away with it. There was a lot of unpunished torture going on, much of which was really imaginatively horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Off topic: was King George accountable, and was there a ban on torture? Torture and slavery go together, and I thought there was public execution and torture for convicts.&lt;/i&gt;

1) Yes, he was, because he wasn&#039;t an absolute monarch but subject to Parliament&#039;s control of the purse strings, to the provisions of the Act of Settlement on (for example) preservation of judicial independence, and ultimately to trial and execution by Parliament in the event of tyranny (precedent: 1649).

2) Judicial torture, both as an interrogation technique and as a punishment, was abolished in the 17th century in Britain, and this presumably applied to slaves as well as freemen; by 1776, public execution was still used as a punishment, as was corporal punishment, but not torture.  And slavery had been abolished in Britain (Summersett&#039;s Case) though not yet in the colonies. I&#039;m not sure how one would draw a dividing line between torture and mere brutality; but in this context it&#039;s worth noting that slave-owners were occasionally hanged under British law for killing their slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Off topic: was King George accountable, and was there a ban on torture? Torture and slavery go together, and I thought there was public execution and torture for convicts.</i></p>

	<p>1) Yes, he was, because he wasn&#8217;t an absolute monarch but subject to Parliament&#8217;s control of the purse strings, to the provisions of the Act of Settlement on (for example) preservation of judicial independence, and ultimately to trial and execution by Parliament in the event of tyranny (precedent: 1649).</p>

	<p>2) Judicial torture, both as an interrogation technique and as a punishment, was abolished in the 17th century in Britain, and this presumably applied to slaves as well as freemen; by 1776, public execution was still used as a punishment, as was corporal punishment, but not torture.  And slavery had been abolished in Britain (Summersett&#8217;s Case) though not yet in the colonies. I&#8217;m not sure how one would draw a dividing line between torture and mere brutality; but in this context it&#8217;s worth noting that slave-owners were occasionally hanged under British law for killing their slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: rm</title>
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		<dc:creator>rm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Accountable government, a dependable legal system, and a complete ban on torture?&lt;/i&gt;

I was thinking lack of a central government, oligarchy, Puritanism, and state-sponsored religion.

Off topic: was King George accountable, and was there a ban on torture? Torture and slavery go together, and I thought there was public execution and torture for convicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Accountable government, a dependable legal system, and a complete ban on torture?</i></p>

	<p>I was thinking lack of a central government, oligarchy, Puritanism, and state-sponsored religion.</p>

	<p>Off topic: was King George accountable, and was there a ban on torture? Torture and slavery go together, and I thought there was public execution and torture for convicts.</p>
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		<title>By: stostosto</title>
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		<dc:creator>stostosto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then: The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money.
Now: How To Bury Dead Ideas: When In a Hole, Stop Digging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Then: The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money.<br />
Now: How To Bury Dead Ideas: When In a Hole, Stop Digging.</p>
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		<title>By: José San Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>José San Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A strong title and a non-ending tagline: how the cover of this book will try to convince you  that buying it will make your life better and make you a happier and more successful person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A strong title and a non-ending tagline: how the cover of this book will try to convince you  that buying it will make your life better and make you a happier and more successful person.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith M Ellis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/09/15/40-days-and-a-mule/comment-page-2/#comment-288509</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith M Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me why bestselling nonfiction is possibly not an improvement over mass illiteracy.  It just might be making people stupider than they otherwise would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This reminds me why bestselling nonfiction is possibly not an improvement over mass illiteracy.  It just might be making people stupider than they otherwise would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee A. Arnold</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/09/15/40-days-and-a-mule/comment-page-2/#comment-288507</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee A. Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then:  Finnegans Wake

Now:  Havvah-ban-Annah Under the Pudendascope:  The Sowiveall of the Prettiest when they were Yung and Easily Freudened</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Then:  Finnegans Wake</p>

	<p>Now:  Havvah-ban-Annah Under the Pudendascope:  The Sowiveall of the Prettiest when they were Yung and Easily Freudened</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/09/15/40-days-and-a-mule/comment-page-2/#comment-288506</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, nothing on the Hippocratic Oath? Oh, I don&#039;t know: Health Care Reform: Good Intentions, Bad Ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What, nothing on the Hippocratic Oath? Oh, I don&#8217;t know: Health Care Reform: Good Intentions, Bad Ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Picador</title>
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		<dc:creator>Picador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then: On the Origin of Species
Now: &quot;chuckd.blogspot.com&quot;, a typical example of the loony, hateful, religion-bashing left-wing blogosphere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Then: On the Origin of Species<br />
Now: &#8220;chuckd.blogspot.com&#8221;, a typical example of the loony, hateful, religion-bashing left-wing blogosphere</p>
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