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		<title>By: Nix</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/02/just-like-the-january-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-291314</link>
		<dc:creator>Nix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Brunel University is named after I. K. Brunel. Unfortunately its architecture is, well, sixties brutalist: see e.g. http://www.panoramio.com/photo/13858492 (which is a photosharing site I&#039;ve never heard of before, but that&#039;s the lecture centre, all right. Actually that&#039;s one of its more attractive angles.)

When I was doing CS there in the mid-90s, the university was saturated with Israeli law students, who must have made up well over half the undergraduate intake of the law school and perhaps much more (the halls were 80% Israeli, 20% everyone else). It seems that if you don&#039;t have a law degree in Israel you have no hope of a job anywhere and must dig ditches or something, and the UK gave Israel a copy of its civil code so a UK law degree is valuable there. So Brunel (and presumably every other UK university) gets saturated with desperate Israelis who didn&#039;t get into a uni in .il.

And foreign students pay a *lot*.

So I can understand them standing in the cold for a night if they thought it might save their degree...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, Brunel University is named after I. K. Brunel. Unfortunately its architecture is, well, sixties brutalist: see e.g. <a href="http://www.panoramio.com/photo/13858492" rel="nofollow">http://www.panoramio.com/photo/13858492</a> (which is a photosharing site I&#8217;ve never heard of before, but that&#8217;s the lecture centre, all right. Actually that&#8217;s one of its more attractive angles.)</p>

	<p>When I was doing CS there in the mid-90s, the university was saturated with Israeli law students, who must have made up well over half the undergraduate intake of the law school and perhaps much more (the halls were 80% Israeli, 20% everyone else). It seems that if you don&#8217;t have a law degree in Israel you have no hope of a job anywhere and must dig ditches or something, and the UK gave Israel a copy of its civil code so a UK law degree is valuable there. So Brunel (and presumably every other UK university) gets saturated with desperate Israelis who didn&#8217;t get into a uni in .il.</p>

	<p>And foreign students pay a <strong>lot</strong>.</p>

	<p>So I can understand them standing in the cold for a night if they thought it might save their degree&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/02/just-like-the-january-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-291298</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;David Willetts told the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/09/universities-let-students-down-willetts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Guardian&lt;/a&gt; that vice-chancellors are not prepared for the pressure their students will put them under if fees go up...

&quot;It&#039;s amazing the change in this generation of students. The issue is not fomenting Maoist revolutionaries somewhere. They are much more likely to complain about how crowded seminars are or how slow the response to their dissertation was. Those are the kind of things that young people register.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>David Willetts told the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/09/universities-let-students-down-willetts" rel="nofollow">Guardian</a> that vice-chancellors are not prepared for the pressure their students will put them under if fees go up&#8230;</i></p>

	<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s amazing the change in this generation of students. The issue is not fomenting Maoist revolutionaries somewhere. They are much more likely to complain about how crowded seminars are or how slow the response to their dissertation was. Those are the kind of things that young people register.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
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		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it couldn&#039;t be &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brno_University_of_Technology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brno University&lt;/a&gt;, because they don&#039;t appear to have a law school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, it couldn&#8217;t be <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brno_University_of_Technology" rel="nofollow">Brno University</a>, because they don&#8217;t appear to have a law school.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope they don&#039;t switch to festival seating in their lectures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let&#8217;s hope they don&#8217;t switch to festival seating in their lectures.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given their tendency to punch each other, &lt;a href=&#039;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Bruno&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bruno&lt;/a&gt; University would seem like a better title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Given their tendency to punch each other, <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Bruno' rel="nofollow">Bruno</a> University would seem like a better title.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;you get called on to write a law review article, which is not totally dissimilar&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s really not that similar though, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>you get called on to write a law review article, which is not totally dissimilar</i></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s really not that similar though, either.</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
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		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t there a US law school where students were auctioning off their places in oversubscribed classes on the internet? I think I did hear something like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wasn&#8217;t there a US law school where students were auctioning off their places in oversubscribed classes on the internet? I think I did hear something like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
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		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Discreet Charm of the Law Students&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The Discreet Charm of the Law Students</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Jackmormon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackmormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 05:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Yank, the name originally registered with me as “Brunei University,”

Whereas I, another Yank, kept reading it as &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunel&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Buñel&lt;/a&gt; University, which I also thought rather fitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a Yank, the name originally registered with me as &#8220;Brunei University,&#8221;</p>

	<p>Whereas I, another Yank, kept reading it as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunel" rel="nofollow">Bu&#241;el</a> University, which I also thought rather fitting.</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
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		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Becuase if they only get half they&#039;ll want to keave to become investment bankers, obviously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Becuase if they only get half they&#8217;ll want to keave to become investment bankers, obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not simply hold an auction and let the market determine the value of various supervisors? With supervisors getting half the fee of course. Talk about win/win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why not simply hold an auction and let the market determine the value of various supervisors? With supervisors getting half the fee of course. Talk about win/win.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris A. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris A. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In gonzo research* carried out by impoverished research students working as exam invigilators in the mid 1990s at the University of Poppleton**, it was the law students, and disproportionately those law students from outside the EU who were paying full fees, who were most often caught trying to cheat.  Just sayin&#039;.

*Not to be confused with gonk research, which also went on. Worryingly, the medics&#039; lucky-item count cleared everyone else&#039;s by a factor of 3.
** Not its real name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In gonzo research* carried out by impoverished research students working as exam invigilators in the mid 1990s at the University of Poppleton**, it was the law students, and disproportionately those law students from outside the EU who were paying full fees, who were most often caught trying to cheat.  Just sayin&#8217;.</p>

	<p>*Not to be confused with gonk research, which also went on. Worryingly, the medics&#8217; lucky-item count cleared everyone else&#8217;s by a factor of 3.</p>
	<p>** Not its real name.</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
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		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Yank, the name originally registered with me as &quot;Brunei University,&quot;  so I said Why be surprised that weird stuff goes on on the island of Borneo?

I assume the place is actually named after Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Constructor of Very Large Iron Things?

(I second Rea&#039;s comment at no. 1.  Law school in the US is about training mercenaries, not academics.  If you are in the upper echelon, though, you get called on to write a law review article, which is not totally dissimilar.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a Yank, the name originally registered with me as &#8220;Brunei University,&#8221;  so I said Why be surprised that weird stuff goes on on the island of Borneo?</p>

	<p>I assume the place is actually named after Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Constructor of Very Large Iron Things?</p>

	<p>(I second Rea&#8217;s comment at no. 1.  Law school in the US is about training mercenaries, not academics.  If you are in the upper echelon, though, you get called on to write a law review article, which is not totally dissimilar.)</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presumably the  fights were between faculty members, determined to supervise or not supervise particular students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Presumably the  fights were between faculty members, determined to supervise or not supervise particular students.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@10 - frankly, permanently vandalising a library book is a much worse crime than a little bop on the nose. Or if it isn&#039;t, it ought to be... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@10 &#8211; frankly, permanently vandalising a library book is a much worse crime than a little bop on the nose. Or if it isn&#8217;t, it ought to be&#8230; ;-)</p>
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