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	<title>Comments on: Tom Coburn Doesn&#8217;t Like Political Science</title>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/07/tom-coburn-doesnt-like-political-science/comment-page-1/#comment-291632</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a political science major I am somewhat disheartened by the pile-on. Of course, international security doesn&#039;t matter at all, much the same way it won&#039;t matter when the world erupts in nuclear war. Additionally, studies of democratization and social movements don&#039;t matter at all because dissidents in Iran will never move against their theocratic government. I hope my sarcasm brings the point home, but just in case, Coburn doesn&#039;t have a freaking clue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a political science major I am somewhat disheartened by the pile-on. Of course, international security doesn&#8217;t matter at all, much the same way it won&#8217;t matter when the world erupts in nuclear war. Additionally, studies of democratization and social movements don&#8217;t matter at all because dissidents in Iran will never move against their theocratic government. I hope my sarcasm brings the point home, but just in case, Coburn doesn&#8217;t have a freaking clue!</p>
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		<title>By: ALX</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/07/tom-coburn-doesnt-like-political-science/comment-page-1/#comment-291324</link>
		<dc:creator>ALX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Above, I was trying to quote the following comment (#17):

&quot;I was a political science major and I agree with Coburn. Government funds should go to real science not a bunch of academics sorting over theories that really mean little to most people. Did Jefferson or Plato or Aristotle need government funding for their political theories?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Above, I was trying to quote the following comment (#17):</p>

	<p>&#8220;I was a political science major and I agree with Coburn. Government funds should go to real science not a bunch of academics sorting over theories that really mean little to most people. Did Jefferson or Plato or Aristotle need government funding for their political theories?&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: ALX</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Did Jefferson or Plato or Aristotle need government funding for their political theories?&quot;&gt;

This is doubly funny, because not only were Plato and Aristotle funded by their respective governments, their governments were funded in large part by slave labour. So I guess following the cited logic that sort of makes for a good defense of slave-labour as well as government-subsidies for political science.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote cite="Did Jefferson or Plato or Aristotle need government funding for their political theories?"></blockquote></p>

	<p>This is doubly funny, because not only were Plato and Aristotle funded by their respective governments, their governments were funded in large part by slave labour. So I guess following the cited logic that sort of makes for a good defense of slave-labour as well as government-subsidies for political science.</p>
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		<title>By: hix</title>
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		<dc:creator>hix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we already at the point where political science has to hide behind &quot;we are empirical,  so wer do serious science&quot;.   Dont let this go down the economics way were complicated impressive math with nothing behind gets the  only legitimation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Are we already at the point where political science has to hide behind &#8220;we are empirical,  so wer do serious science&#8221;.   Dont let this go down the economics way were complicated impressive math with nothing behind gets the  only legitimation.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if he&#039;s an MD, he has obviously never spent more than five minutes with a biomedical researcher. I know immunologists who get sh!tloads of cash from all sorts of national agencies to work on something they know for certain will &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; have the smallest clinical application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well if he&#8217;s an MD, he has obviously never spent more than five minutes with a biomedical researcher. I know immunologists who get sh!tloads of cash from all sorts of national agencies to work on something they know for certain will <em>never</em> have the smallest clinical application.</p>
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		<title>By: rea</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/07/tom-coburn-doesnt-like-political-science/comment-page-1/#comment-291064</link>
		<dc:creator>rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What I don’t understand is the bit about funding biomedical research instead.&lt;/i&gt;


Well, Coburn is an MD, believe it or not.  members of &lt;i&gt;his&lt;/i&gt; tribe obviously deserve funding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>What I don&#8217;t understand is the bit about funding biomedical research instead.</i></p>


	<p>Well, Coburn is an MD, believe it or not.  members of <i>his</i> tribe obviously deserve funding.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I forgot to post my own amendment:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The U.S. Senate may have some interesting theories about democracy, but Americans who have an interest in democratic politics can turn to the House of Representatives, the White House, the print media, and a seemingly endless number of political commentators on the internet who actually do shit and provide a myriad of viewpoints to answer the same questions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, I just love the possibilities of that paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, I forgot to post my own amendment:</p>

	<p><blockquote>The U.S. Senate may have some interesting theories about democracy, but Americans who have an interest in democratic politics can turn to the House of Representatives, the White House, the print media, and a seemingly endless number of political commentators on the internet who actually do shit and provide a myriad of viewpoints to answer the same questions.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Oh, I just love the possibilities of that paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand is the bit about funding biomedical research instead.

There&#039;s plenty of evidence on TV that praying &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the most effective therapy against tumor growth, and that depleting CD4+ T helper lymphocytes &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; homosexuals getting what they rightly deserve for their depravity. By what virtue, then, is there even a National Science Foundation? Copy and paste if needed; the National Endowment for the Arts should come next.

Demagogues never disappoint me for being demagogues. It&#039;s just that they never push the argument to its end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is the bit about funding biomedical research instead.</p>

	<p>There&#8217;s plenty of evidence on TV that praying <em>is</em> the most effective therapy against tumor growth, and that depleting <span class="caps">CD4</span>+ T helper lymphocytes <em>are</em> homosexuals getting what they rightly deserve for their depravity. By what virtue, then, is there even a National Science Foundation? Copy and paste if needed; the National Endowment for the Arts should come next.</p>

	<p>Demagogues never disappoint me for being demagogues. It&#8217;s just that they never push the argument to its end.</p>
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		<title>By: eddie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/07/tom-coburn-doesnt-like-political-science/comment-page-1/#comment-291056</link>
		<dc:creator>eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean, is cock burn really advocating an end to tax breaks for churches?  Goood on him if so, but I suspect not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I mean, is cock burn really advocating an end to tax breaks for churches?  Goood on him if so, but I suspect not.</p>
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		<title>By: eddie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/07/tom-coburn-doesnt-like-political-science/comment-page-1/#comment-291055</link>
		<dc:creator>eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just look at where bollockticians DO get their policy ideas from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just look at where bollockticians DO get their policy ideas from.</p>
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		<title>By: Virgil H. Soule</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/07/tom-coburn-doesnt-like-political-science/comment-page-1/#comment-291053</link>
		<dc:creator>Virgil H. Soule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a government work project. Political scientists have to eat too, y&#039;know. WPA is not dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s a government work project. Political scientists have to eat too, y&#8217;know. <span class="caps">WPA</span> is not dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Raleigh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/07/tom-coburn-doesnt-like-political-science/comment-page-1/#comment-291049</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom in Raleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a political scientist. I&#039;ve also worked at, and been funded by, NSF. It might be good for those who have not the slightest idea what either NSF or political science or science in general mean to either provide some real analysis and insight, or STFU. Sorry to pull rank, but if I was on a hot-rod restoring website and said something stupid about, oh, a Hurst shifter or something, I&#039;d get called out. So I&#039;m calling out the dopes. 

I&#039;m not calling out those who have an honest argument about what &quot;science&quot; means, and whether what we do is &quot;science.&quot; For one thing, I have a big problem with the idea that prediction is  a criterion for a good theory. But this debate is pitched to a higher level than Coburn&#039;s ganglia (what humans have evolved into a&lt;i&gt; brain&lt;/i&gt;) can grasp. Clearly, Coburn is playing to his base, and, if his views on this amendment are a perfect reflection of his base, God help Oklahoma. Clearly, Coburn is playing small p politics, and for a shockingly large number of people, it resonates--not because it strikes a nerve in our discipline, but because it riles up the booboisie that constitutes what&#039;s left of the hard core political right in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m a political scientist. I&#8217;ve also worked at, and been funded by, <span class="caps">NSF</span>. It might be good for those who have not the slightest idea what either <span class="caps">NSF</span> or political science or science in general mean to either provide some real analysis and insight, or <span class="caps">STFU</span>. Sorry to pull rank, but if I was on a hot-rod restoring website and said something stupid about, oh, a Hurst shifter or something, I&#8217;d get called out. So I&#8217;m calling out the dopes.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m not calling out those who have an honest argument about what &#8220;science&#8221; means, and whether what we do is &#8220;science.&#8221; For one thing, I have a big problem with the idea that prediction is  a criterion for a good theory. But this debate is pitched to a higher level than Coburn&#8217;s ganglia (what humans have evolved into a<i> brain</i>) can grasp. Clearly, Coburn is playing to his base, and, if his views on this amendment are a perfect reflection of his base, God help Oklahoma. Clearly, Coburn is playing small p politics, and for a shockingly large number of people, it resonates&#8212;not because it strikes a nerve in our discipline, but because it riles up the booboisie that constitutes what&#8217;s left of the hard core political right in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Swartz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/07/tom-coburn-doesnt-like-political-science/comment-page-1/#comment-291046</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Swartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=112451&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the NSF website page they&#039;re quoting&lt;/a&gt; doesn&#039;t specify what they funded Krugman to do either. However, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=9111380&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this grant was $100K in 1991 (or about $150K in 2009 dollars) to &quot;develop and empirically test models of the location of production within countries&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To be fair, <a href="http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=112451" rel="nofollow">the <span class="caps">NSF</span> website page they&#8217;re quoting</a> doesn&#8217;t specify what they funded Krugman to do either. However, <a href="http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=9111380" rel="nofollow">this grant was $100K in 1991 (or about $150K in 2009 dollars) to &#8220;develop and empirically test models of the location of production within countries&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: tired of blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>tired of blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the political process is to govern what decisions the NSF and NEH make, and the principal criterion is what politicians see are &quot;useful&quot; and &quot;non-partisan,&quot; you can expect to see support withdrawn for the rest of the social sciences, the humanities in toto, and the &quot;political&quot; parts of the natural sciences, next. 

Evolution, anyone? The NSF spends a lot of money on it, and I bet a lot of politicians don&#039;t like it. So I wouldn&#039;t be too quick to abandon the political scientists to their fate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If the political process is to govern what decisions the <span class="caps">NSF</span> and <span class="caps">NEH</span> make, and the principal criterion is what politicians see are &#8220;useful&#8221; and &#8220;non-partisan,&#8221; you can expect to see support withdrawn for the rest of the social sciences, the humanities in toto, and the &#8220;political&#8221; parts of the natural sciences, next.</p>

	<p>Evolution, anyone? The <span class="caps">NSF</span> spends a lot of money on it, and I bet a lot of politicians don&#8217;t like it. So I wouldn&#8217;t be too quick to abandon the political scientists to their fate.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a poli-sci grad student and part of a team that does political psychology work, funded in part by an NSF grant right now, I think this is ludicrous. There are projects in the poli-sci department that don&#039;t fall under the purview of what we traditionally think of as science- political theory comes to mind- but those projects aren&#039;t getting NSF grants. The projects that are going to the NSF for money are data-driven empirical research projects. They have every right to be funded by, as #32 points out, a &quot;Directorate of Social, Behavioural and Economic Science&quot;.

Interestingly enough, Sen. Coburn brings up the point that political behaviourists and political psychologists often pathologise conservatism, which we were discussing in the lab just yesterday. This is a potential problem for researchers, but it&#039;s an issue that ought to be worked out in academia, rather than chopped off by a senator on a political tirade.

And, incidentally, I would really like to study the effect of youtube.com on the 2008 election... where was this conference held and where can I get the proceedings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a poli-sci grad student and part of a team that does political psychology work, funded in part by an <span class="caps">NSF</span> grant right now, I think this is ludicrous. There are projects in the poli-sci department that don&#8217;t fall under the purview of what we traditionally think of as science- political theory comes to mind- but those projects aren&#8217;t getting <span class="caps">NSF</span> grants. The projects that are going to the <span class="caps">NSF</span> for money are data-driven empirical research projects. They have every right to be funded by, as #32 points out, a &#8220;Directorate of Social, Behavioural and Economic Science&#8221;.</p>

	<p>Interestingly enough, Sen. Coburn brings up the point that political behaviourists and political psychologists often pathologise conservatism, which we were discussing in the lab just yesterday. This is a potential problem for researchers, but it&#8217;s an issue that ought to be worked out in academia, rather than chopped off by a senator on a political tirade.</p>

	<p>And, incidentally, I would really like to study the effect of youtube.com on the 2008 election&#8230; where was this conference held and where can I get the proceedings?</p>
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