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		<title>By: sue womack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/08/bookblogging-micro-based-macro/comment-page-1/#comment-291353</link>
		<dc:creator>sue womack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very interested in economics, as I&#039;m sure a lot more people are these days, following the incredible credit crunch, global recession, economic meltdown, whatever phrase one chooses.  The fact remains that something has gone very wrong and this would be a fitting time to learn from these mistakes for the future.
   A couple of things re. your article. 
      I find the baby-cerdits analogy you use to illustrate accuracy of the Keynesian model , extreemly flawed. 
  Firstly may I say that, I believe that micro economics, to be our only saviour now. Keynes ideas about monitarism and a move towards macro economics encourages unnecessary Government and Banking interference, which leads all to easily to corruption of both people and system.
   The example you used in support, the baby credits, seems to me was working. 
The members only tried to accrue more crdits because they actually WANTED to carry on using the system and reep even more benifits from it, quicker. In other words
they wanted to go out MORE not less.! The fact that apparent demand fell, was immediately eased by improving the rewards, a very simple, easy solution, which achieved 3 things. A return to original levels of demand, the dissappearance of apparant stagnation and the possibility of natural expansion. 
 The crucial factor being that once they were properly rewarded for effort the whole system RETURNED to functioning efficiently.
If this had been fixed using the Keynesian model they would probably first tried laying  people off, lessening reward, taking a cut, amassing credits, dishing them back out when they saw fit, hiring outsiders to ease the immediate problem, loosing track of where the hell they were and abondon all the parents and children when it all went wrong.! Sound familiar?
Also you make no mention of Nobel Prize winner Fredrich Hayek whos contribution &quot;Road to Surfdom&quot; written in 1944 reads like a description of how to get into the present day &quot;global financial crisis&quot;, if we follow Keynes to any large degree.
A shame no one heeded the warning then and its to be hoped his ideas will not be so thouroughly ignored this time round.


 






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m very interested in economics, as I&#8217;m sure a lot more people are these days, following the incredible credit crunch, global recession, economic meltdown, whatever phrase one chooses.  The fact remains that something has gone very wrong and this would be a fitting time to learn from these mistakes for the future.<br />
A couple of things re. your article.<br />
I find the baby-cerdits analogy you use to illustrate accuracy of the Keynesian model , extreemly flawed.<br />
Firstly may I say that, I believe that micro economics, to be our only saviour now. Keynes ideas about monitarism and a move towards macro economics encourages unnecessary Government and Banking interference, which leads all to easily to corruption of both people and system.<br />
The example you used in support, the baby credits, seems to me was working.<br />
The members only tried to accrue more crdits because they actually <span class="caps">WANTED</span> to carry on using the system and reep even more benifits from it, quicker. In other words<br />
they wanted to go out <span class="caps">MORE</span> not less.! The fact that apparent demand fell, was immediately eased by improving the rewards, a very simple, easy solution, which achieved 3 things. A return to original levels of demand, the dissappearance of apparant stagnation and the possibility of natural expansion.<br />
The crucial factor being that once they were properly rewarded for effort the whole system <span class="caps">RETURNED</span> to functioning efficiently.<br />
If this had been fixed using the Keynesian model they would probably first tried laying  people off, lessening reward, taking a cut, amassing credits, dishing them back out when they saw fit, hiring outsiders to ease the immediate problem, loosing track of where the hell they were and abondon all the parents and children when it all went wrong.! Sound familiar?<br />
Also you make no mention of Nobel Prize winner Fredrich Hayek whos contribution &#8220;Road to Surfdom&#8221; written in 1944 reads like a description of how to get into the present day &#8220;global financial crisis&#8221;, if we follow Keynes to any large degree.<br />
A shame no one heeded the warning then and its to be hoped his ideas will not be so thouroughly ignored this time round.</p>









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		<title>By: Roger Albin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/08/bookblogging-micro-based-macro/comment-page-1/#comment-291322</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Albin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very minor point.  The major body of freshwater close to the University of Minnesota isn&#039;t a lake.  Its the Mississippi river.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A very minor point.  The major body of freshwater close to the University of Minnesota isn&#8217;t a lake.  Its the Mississippi river.</p>
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		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/08/bookblogging-micro-based-macro/comment-page-1/#comment-291187</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, that was a great piece! I learned something. What struck me when reading this is a question maybe you can answer. In how far will micro &amp; macro be co-influencing i.e. the need for one big theory (neither micro nor macro) accounting e.g. for choices that are based on the sentiments being exchanged on the public forum on the general state of the economy and so forth? (Pfew, what a bad sentence, sorry for that) A link via the bounded rationality type theory might make something like that expressable in math - wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John, that was a great piece! I learned something. What struck me when reading this is a question maybe you can answer. In how far will micro &#038; macro be co-influencing i.e. the need for one big theory (neither micro nor macro) accounting e.g. for choices that are based on the sentiments being exchanged on the public forum on the general state of the economy and so forth? (Pfew, what a bad sentence, sorry for that) A link via the bounded rationality type theory might make something like that expressable in math &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not that the Chicago School isn&#039;t based on micro, it&#039;s that it&#039;s not based on *accurate* micro.  It has fallen over and sunk into the swamp because they built it on a swamp.

Incorrect microfoundations are worse than no microfoundations at all because they make you disregard the macro-evidence that your microfoundations tell you is impossible.  Therefore, since micro is not yet sufficiently well understood, micro and macro should be studied separately for the time being, and any inconsistencies that arise between them reconciled down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s not that the Chicago School isn&#8217;t based on micro, it&#8217;s that it&#8217;s not based on <strong>accurate</strong> micro.  It has fallen over and sunk into the swamp because they built it on a swamp.</p>

	<p>Incorrect microfoundations are worse than no microfoundations at all because they make you disregard the macro-evidence that your microfoundations tell you is impossible.  Therefore, since micro is not yet sufficiently well understood, micro and macro should be studied separately for the time being, and any inconsistencies that arise between them reconciled down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Has Solow and Hahn’s 1995 Critical Essay on Modern Macroeconomic Theory had an impact on the field?&lt;/em&gt;

Solow refers to it as &quot;Hahn and Solow&#039;s universally unread &lt;em&gt;Critical Essay&lt;/em&gt;&quot;, so I think we can assume it hasn&#039;t had much impact. Me, I read the prose; as for the algebra, I took their word for it. But it&#039;s good to have my low opinion of the state of macro confirmed by two such distiguished theorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Has Solow and Hahn&#8217;s 1995 Critical Essay on Modern Macroeconomic Theory had an impact on the field?</em></p>

	<p>Solow refers to it as &#8220;Hahn and Solow&#8217;s universally unread <em>Critical Essay</em>&#8220;, so I think we can assume it hasn&#8217;t had much impact. Me, I read the prose; as for the algebra, I took their word for it. But it&#8217;s good to have my low opinion of the state of macro confirmed by two such distiguished theorists.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It is worth pointing out that virtually none of the insights from this work is contained in the General Theory or in any other early text&lt;/i&gt;

yes they are!  the idea that the financial accelerator literature gives us new possibilities that weren&#039;t ever considered in Keynes (or for that matter, Irving Fisher because the &quot;financial accelerator&quot; is basically the same thing as &quot;debt deflation&quot; in a recessionary context) is really quite odd.

&lt;i&gt;Representative consumers and the like are not micro-based. They are just the tools to provide a simple, elegant and absolutely irrelevant representation of macro problems&lt;/i&gt;

I think the issue here is not some much that Lucas and the Chicago School&#039;s macro models aren&#039;t micro-based, but that microeconomics isn&#039;t, not really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It is worth pointing out that virtually none of the insights from this work is contained in the General Theory or in any other early text</i></p>

	<p>yes they are!  the idea that the financial accelerator literature gives us new possibilities that weren&#8217;t ever considered in Keynes (or for that matter, Irving Fisher because the &#8220;financial accelerator&#8221; is basically the same thing as &#8220;debt deflation&#8221; in a recessionary context) is really quite odd.</p>

	<p><i>Representative consumers and the like are not micro-based. They are just the tools to provide a simple, elegant and absolutely irrelevant representation of macro problems</i></p>

	<p>I think the issue here is not some much that Lucas and the Chicago School&#8217;s macro models aren&#8217;t micro-based, but that microeconomics isn&#8217;t, not really.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Solow and Hahn&#039;s 1995 Critical Essay on Modern Macroeconomic Theory had an impact on the field? I don&#039;t think Vercelli&#039;s 1991 book contrasting Keynes and Lucas had much of an influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Has Solow and Hahn&#8217;s 1995 Critical Essay on Modern Macroeconomic Theory had an impact on the field? I don&#8217;t think Vercelli&#8217;s 1991 book contrasting Keynes and Lucas had much of an influence.</p>
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		<title>By: Cagliaritana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cagliaritana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I think it is bit disingenuous to call Bob Lucas&#039;s work as based on microeconomics.  Representative consumers and the like are not micro-based. They are just the tools to provide a simple, elegant and absolutely irrelevant representation of macro problems.  IMHO, Agent Based Modeling (ABM) and other numerical, open form numerical solutions are much better tools. Not elegant, not closed form , not stuff Chicago school  can get behind. But they are much better at understanding bubbles and integrating Simon and Kahneman types micro behavior. And they are  really micro based.
Full disclosure - my PhD macro teacher was Leigh Tesfatsion - a UMN macro economist who is a convert of ABM (though she taught us the full story, from IS-LM to Lucas, and not ABM). I now work with geographers who have fully embraced ABM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John, I think it is bit disingenuous to call Bob Lucas&#8217;s work as based on microeconomics.  Representative consumers and the like are not micro-based. They are just the tools to provide a simple, elegant and absolutely irrelevant representation of macro problems.  <span class="caps">IMHO</span>, Agent Based Modeling (ABM) and other numerical, open form numerical solutions are much better tools. Not elegant, not closed form , not stuff Chicago school  can get behind. But they are much better at understanding bubbles and integrating Simon and Kahneman types micro behavior. And they are  really micro based.<br />
Full disclosure &#8211; my PhD macro teacher was Leigh Tesfatsion &#8211; a <span class="caps">UMN</span> macro economist who is a convert of <span class="caps">ABM </span>(though she taught us the full story, from IS-LM to Lucas, and not <span class="caps">ABM</span>). I now work with geographers who have fully embraced <span class="caps">ABM</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Concerned economists - there will be more coming soon, some of it already up at the wikidot site, so you&#039;ll have a chance to respond to a substantive critique.  But, I won&#039;t be asserting that &quot;it&#039;s all in the General Theory&quot;, and I won&#039;t be arguing for a wholesale dismissal of everything that&#039;s been done in the last 25 years. 

I will say now, that the work of the last 25 years has not proved to be of great value either in warning of the current crisis or in formulating policy responses. Those who saw a crisis coming mostly focused on old-style concerns about aggregate imbalances and financial hypertrophy. And  the policy debate has turned, much more, on the validity or otherwise of standard Keynesian arguments and policy proposals than on issues illuminated by DGSE models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@Concerned economists &#8211; there will be more coming soon, some of it already up at the wikidot site, so you&#8217;ll have a chance to respond to a substantive critique.  But, I won&#8217;t be asserting that &#8220;it&#8217;s all in the General Theory&#8221;, and I won&#8217;t be arguing for a wholesale dismissal of everything that&#8217;s been done in the last 25 years.</p>

	<p>I will say now, that the work of the last 25 years has not proved to be of great value either in warning of the current crisis or in formulating policy responses. Those who saw a crisis coming mostly focused on old-style concerns about aggregate imbalances and financial hypertrophy. And  the policy debate has turned, much more, on the validity or otherwise of standard Keynesian arguments and policy proposals than on issues illuminated by <span class="caps">DGSE</span> models.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Economist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am happy to see that the financial crisis has energized the debate about the proper course of economic analysis.  I am also perfectly willing to concede that some of what the best macroeconomists had been focused on prior to the financial crisis has been revealed to be less than completely relevant.  At the same time, I am more than a little troubled about some of the more dramatic conclusions being drawn from the events of the past year or two.  

Allow me to paraphrase a claim which I have heard again and again recently: ‘everything done in macroeconomics in the past 25 years (or since the early 1970’s) is irrelevant.’  This claim is typically accompanied by suggestions that all the answers to the current crisis are in Keynes’ General Theory or in some other dusty text.  Often, commentators go on to casually toss whole collections of macroeconomics into the dustbin without really thinking about their rationale for doing so.  For instance, in the post above, John Quiggin asserts that the “appealing idea that macroeconomics should develop naturally from standard microeconomic foundations must be recognised as a distraction.” Professor Quiggin provides essentially no argument as to why he believe it to be a distraction, he just thinks it has to go.  His assessment might come from the observation that the push towards “micro-foundations” came during the late 70’s and is thus in the irrelevant period.  

Despite the fact that these claims and others like them are repeated and embellished again and again, these suggestions are wildly off target.  For instance, throughout the 90’s a substantial area of macroeconomics was developed focused on the idea that financial market frictions and credit market failures could be an important factor in destabilizing the economy.  Often these theories were referred to as “financial accelerator” theories.  The researchers who developed the financial accelerator were not at the fringes of the field.  Rather they include people like Ben Bernanke, Mark Gertler, Greg Mankiw, Joeseph Stiglitz, Nobuhiro Kiyotaki, Anil Kashyap, Narayana Kocherlakota, Thomas Cooley, Jeremey Stein, Frederic Mishkin, John Moore, and so forth.  It is worth pointing out that virtually none of the insights from this work is contained in the General Theory or in any other early text.  It is also worth pointing out that the models they developed were entirely micro based and explicitly dynamic.  (At the end of Paul Krugman’s article “How Did Economists Get It So Wrong?” it seems he realizes that he might have been a bit too hasty – reluctantly acknowledging the contributions of Bernanke and Gertler and others as an “exception.”)     

The idea that we need to abandon all of the recent work in macroeconomics is desperately misleading.  The notion that macroeconomists should turn away from “micro-foundations” is also dubious.  My guess is that the best young macroeconomists in the coming years will spend most of their energy doing research on credit market frictions building on the previous work from the 1990’s.  This work -Krugman&#039;s “exception” - is likely the future of the field in the near term.  I doubt very much if it will bear much resemblance at all to Keynesian economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am happy to see that the financial crisis has energized the debate about the proper course of economic analysis.  I am also perfectly willing to concede that some of what the best macroeconomists had been focused on prior to the financial crisis has been revealed to be less than completely relevant.  At the same time, I am more than a little troubled about some of the more dramatic conclusions being drawn from the events of the past year or two.</p>

	<p>Allow me to paraphrase a claim which I have heard again and again recently: &#8216;everything done in macroeconomics in the past 25 years (or since the early 1970&#8217;s) is irrelevant.&#8217;  This claim is typically accompanied by suggestions that all the answers to the current crisis are in Keynes&#8217; General Theory or in some other dusty text.  Often, commentators go on to casually toss whole collections of macroeconomics into the dustbin without really thinking about their rationale for doing so.  For instance, in the post above, John Quiggin asserts that the &#8220;appealing idea that macroeconomics should develop naturally from standard microeconomic foundations must be recognised as a distraction.&#8221; Professor Quiggin provides essentially no argument as to why he believe it to be a distraction, he just thinks it has to go.  His assessment might come from the observation that the push towards &#8220;micro-foundations&#8221; came during the late 70&#8217;s and is thus in the irrelevant period.</p>

	<p>Despite the fact that these claims and others like them are repeated and embellished again and again, these suggestions are wildly off target.  For instance, throughout the 90&#8217;s a substantial area of macroeconomics was developed focused on the idea that financial market frictions and credit market failures could be an important factor in destabilizing the economy.  Often these theories were referred to as &#8220;financial accelerator&#8221; theories.  The researchers who developed the financial accelerator were not at the fringes of the field.  Rather they include people like Ben Bernanke, Mark Gertler, Greg Mankiw, Joeseph Stiglitz, Nobuhiro Kiyotaki, Anil Kashyap, Narayana Kocherlakota, Thomas Cooley, Jeremey Stein, Frederic Mishkin, John Moore, and so forth.  It is worth pointing out that virtually none of the insights from this work is contained in the General Theory or in any other early text.  It is also worth pointing out that the models they developed were entirely micro based and explicitly dynamic.  (At the end of Paul Krugman&#8217;s article &#8220;How Did Economists Get It So Wrong?&#8221; it seems he realizes that he might have been a bit too hasty &#8211; reluctantly acknowledging the contributions of Bernanke and Gertler and others as an &#8220;exception.&#8221;)</p>

	<p>The idea that we need to abandon all of the recent work in macroeconomics is desperately misleading.  The notion that macroeconomists should turn away from &#8220;micro-foundations&#8221; is also dubious.  My guess is that the best young macroeconomists in the coming years will spend most of their energy doing research on credit market frictions building on the previous work from the 1990&#8217;s.  This work -Krugman&#8217;s &#8220;exception&#8221; &#8211; is likely the future of the field in the near term.  I doubt very much if it will bear much resemblance at all to Keynesian economics.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bónapart  A good point, and I&#039;ve now revised to cover it.

On the absence of hyphens with &quot;co&quot;, I (like Douglas Adams IIRC) find the word &quot;coworkers&quot; particularly hard to take unhyphenated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@B&#243;napart  A good point, and I&#8217;ve now revised to cover it.</p>

	<p>On the absence of hyphens with &#8220;co&#8221;, I (like Douglas Adams <span class="caps">IIRC</span>) find the word &#8220;coworkers&#8221; particularly hard to take unhyphenated.</p>
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		<title>By: Bónapart Ó Cúnasa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bónapart Ó Cúnasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you want to be more explicit about the role of money in driving a wedge betweend desired and effective demand (is this the main mechanism you have in mind, btw, or are there others?). 

Neoclassical micro tends to assume a non-monetary economy, which has meant that money has generally been an afterthought when building DSGE macro models - hence the freshwater school&#039;s blindspot about Say&#039;s law. And it means you can&#039;t tell Krugman&#039;s babysitting co-op story - probably one of the simplest demonstrations of where Say&#039;s law doesn&#039;t hold.

ps - am I the only person outside North America to have originally to thought a &quot;babysitting coop&quot; was something to do with a chicken coop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wonder if you want to be more explicit about the role of money in driving a wedge betweend desired and effective demand (is this the main mechanism you have in mind, btw, or are there others?).</p>

	<p>Neoclassical micro tends to assume a non-monetary economy, which has meant that money has generally been an afterthought when building <span class="caps">DSGE</span> macro models &#8211; hence the freshwater school&#8217;s blindspot about Say&#8217;s law. And it means you can&#8217;t tell Krugman&#8217;s babysitting co-op story &#8211; probably one of the simplest demonstrations of where Say&#8217;s law doesn&#8217;t hold.</p>

	<p>ps &#8211; am I the only person outside North America to have originally to thought a &#8220;babysitting coop&#8221; was something to do with a chicken coop?</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minsky is definitely going to get a run, but, as you&#039;ve noticed, it&#039;s a lot easier to point out what&#039;s wrong with the ideas that ruled the roost for the last 30 years than to describe an alternative in any detail. 

FWIW, my general program is Old Keynesianism+Minsky+bounded rationality, but working out how to combine these elements isn&#039;t easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Minsky is definitely going to get a run, but, as you&#8217;ve noticed, it&#8217;s a lot easier to point out what&#8217;s wrong with the ideas that ruled the roost for the last 30 years than to describe an alternative in any detail.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">FWIW</span>, my general program is Old Keynesianism+Minsky+bounded rationality, but working out how to combine these elements isn&#8217;t easy.</p>
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		<title>By: salacious</title>
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		<dc:creator>salacious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But the work of John Hicks and others produced what came to be called the Keynesian-neoclassical synthesis, in which individual markets were analyzed using the traditional approach (now christened ‘microeconomics’) while the determination of aggregate output and employment was the domain of Keynesian macroeconomics.&quot;

Are you going to get into Minsky?  IIRC, he was pretty caustic about IS/LM and the Hicksian interpretation of Keynes generally.   

Just from what I&#039;ve read on CT, you&#039;re stronger on the attack than on the defense.  The stuff knocking down EMH/rational expectations/etc is fantastic, but the arguments in favor of (what appears to be) orthodox Keynesianism feel weaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;But the work of John Hicks and others produced what came to be called the Keynesian-neoclassical synthesis, in which individual markets were analyzed using the traditional approach (now christened &#8216;microeconomics&#8217;) while the determination of aggregate output and employment was the domain of Keynesian macroeconomics.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Are you going to get into Minsky?  <span class="caps">IIRC</span>, he was pretty caustic about IS/LM and the Hicksian interpretation of Keynes generally.</p>

	<p>Just from what I&#8217;ve read on CT, you&#8217;re stronger on the attack than on the defense.  The stuff knocking down <span class="caps">EMH</span>/rational expectations/etc is fantastic, but the arguments in favor of (what appears to be) orthodox Keynesianism feel weaker.</p>
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		<title>By: gd wall</title>
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		<dc:creator>gd wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://tinhouse.com/mag/issue_current/current_nonfiction_white.htm</description>
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