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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291326</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what on earth are you talking about, Tilton?  Kieran&#039;s clearly angry at Ireland &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/counties/ireland/8279150.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not taking part in the county game next year&lt;/a&gt;, though I&#039;m not quite sure why he&#039;s blaming Italy for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>what on earth are you talking about, Tilton?  Kieran&#8217;s clearly angry at Ireland <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/counties/ireland/8279150.stm" rel="nofollow">not taking part in the county game next year</a>, though I&#8217;m not quite sure why he&#8217;s blaming Italy for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Tilton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291318</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Tilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That seems a bit of a harsh judgement on Italy, Kieran. Their winning of yet another wooden spoon shows only that their side is weak; in no way do they merit moral condemnation for it. And I should have thought Ireland still basking in the afterglow of the grand slam.

Wait, was there a match played under some other code recently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That seems a bit of a harsh judgement on Italy, Kieran. Their winning of yet another wooden spoon shows only that their side is weak; in no way do they merit moral condemnation for it. And I should have thought Ireland still basking in the afterglow of the grand slam.</p>

	<p>Wait, was there a match played under some other code recently?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Houghton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291312</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Houghton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mollymooly - Are you sure you&#039;re not just watching a tape of the Stallone/Pele flick?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>mollymooly &#8211; Are you sure you&#8217;re not just watching a tape of the Stallone/Pele flick?</p>
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		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291300</link>
		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop complaining, Healy; after a litany of glorious 0-0 wins and 1-1 victories, the Boys in Green have gone one step further with a glorious 2-2 triumph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Stop complaining, Healy; after a litany of glorious 0-0 wins and 1-1 victories, the Boys in Green have gone one step further with a glorious 2-2 triumph.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Tomkins</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291296</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Tomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean I spelled it wrong?!

Ai, chingada!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You mean I spelled it wrong?!</p>

	<p>Ai, chingada!!</p>
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		<title>By: stostosto</title>
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		<dc:creator>stostosto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the Italians are such sore losers, innit!</description>
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		<title>By: Becky Grant</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291286</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup Italy...  bit of a disappointment!</description>
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		<title>By: Nick Valvo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291285</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Valvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s &quot;chingada.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Glen Tomkins</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291279</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Tomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Place of the Damned

For one thing, God&#039;s been all over that one for a long time.  No need for further advice/admonition on that score.

More interestingly, the British have a long history of close identification with that particular advice/admonition to the Almighty.  At the time of the Hundred Year&#039;s War, ordinary Frenchmen so associated that phrase with British soldiers that they started referring to them as &quot;les goddams&quot;.  Sort of like the advice from the old man in &quot;El Norte&quot;, that you&#039;ll know you&#039;ve made it to Mexico when every sentence you hear contains the word &quot;cingada&quot; (Can I print that in a family blog?), you have to presume that every sentence spoken by the British of the day must have had a &quot;goddamn&quot; somewhere in it.  

Swift narrows it down further, to Ireland, in his famous, &quot;The Place of the Damned&quot;:
      &quot;All folks who pretend to Religion and Grace.
      Allow there&#039;s a Hell, but dispute of the Place;
      But if Hell may by Logical Rules be defin&#039;d,
      The Place of the Damn&#039;d, -- I will tell you my Mind. 
      Wherever the Damn&#039;d do chiefly abound,
      Most certainly there is Hell to be found,
      Damn&#039;d Poets, Damn&#039;d Criticks, Damn&#039;d Block-Heads, Damn&#039;d Knaves,
      Damn&#039;d Senators brib&#039;d, Damn&#039;d prostitute Slaves; 
      Damn&#039;d Lawyers and Judges, Damn&#039;d Lords and Damn&#039;d Squires,
      Damn&#039;d Spies and Informers, Damn&#039;d Friends and Damn&#039;d Lyars;
      Damn&#039;d Villains, Corrupted in every Station,
      Damn&#039;d Time-Serving Priests all over the Nation;
      And into the Bargain, I&#039;ll readily give you,
      Damn&#039;d Ignorant Prelates, and Councellors Privy.
      Then let us no longer by Parsons be Flamm&#039;d,
      For We know by these Marks, the Place of the Damn&#039;d;
      And Hell to be sure is at Paris or Rome,
      How happy for Us, that it is not at Home.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Place of the Damned</p>

	<p>For one thing, God&#8217;s been all over that one for a long time.  No need for further advice/admonition on that score.</p>

	<p>More interestingly, the British have a long history of close identification with that particular advice/admonition to the Almighty.  At the time of the Hundred Year&#8217;s War, ordinary Frenchmen so associated that phrase with British soldiers that they started referring to them as &#8220;les goddams&#8221;.  Sort of like the advice from the old man in &#8220;El Norte&#8221;, that you&#8217;ll know you&#8217;ve made it to Mexico when every sentence you hear contains the word &#8220;cingada&#8221; (Can I print that in a family blog?), you have to presume that every sentence spoken by the British of the day must have had a &#8220;goddamn&#8221; somewhere in it.</p>

	<p>Swift narrows it down further, to Ireland, in his famous, &#8220;The Place of the Damned&#8221;:<br />
&#8220;All folks who pretend to Religion and Grace.<br />
Allow there&#8217;s a Hell, but dispute of the Place;<br />
But if Hell may by Logical Rules be defin&#8217;d,<br />
The Place of the Damn&#8217;d,&#8212;I will tell you my Mind.<br />
Wherever the Damn&#8217;d do chiefly abound,<br />
Most certainly there is Hell to be found,<br />
Damn&#8217;d Poets, Damn&#8217;d Criticks, Damn&#8217;d Block-Heads, Damn&#8217;d Knaves,<br />
Damn&#8217;d Senators brib&#8217;d, Damn&#8217;d prostitute Slaves;<br />
Damn&#8217;d Lawyers and Judges, Damn&#8217;d Lords and Damn&#8217;d Squires,<br />
Damn&#8217;d Spies and Informers, Damn&#8217;d Friends and Damn&#8217;d Lyars;<br />
Damn&#8217;d Villains, Corrupted in every Station,<br />
Damn&#8217;d Time-Serving Priests all over the Nation;<br />
And into the Bargain, I&#8217;ll readily give you,<br />
Damn&#8217;d Ignorant Prelates, and Councellors Privy.<br />
Then let us no longer by Parsons be Flamm&#8217;d,<br />
For We know by these Marks, the Place of the Damn&#8217;d;<br />
And Hell to be sure is at Paris or Rome,<br />
How happy for Us, that it is not at Home.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s hoping Italy has a whopper of an estate tax.</description>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291277</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, FIFA&#039;s brilliant management also resulted in a situation where neither England or the USA could be watched on TV in their home countries.  So they might have screwed up the playoffs as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Of course, <span class="caps">FIFA</span>&#8217;s brilliant management also resulted in a situation where neither England or the <span class="caps">USA</span> could be watched on TV in their home countries.  So they might have screwed up the playoffs as well.</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you were talking about soccer.</description>
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		<title>By: Cagliaritana</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291270</link>
		<dc:creator>Cagliaritana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She did already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>She did already.</p>
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		<title>By: Substance McGravitas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291269</link>
		<dc:creator>Substance McGravitas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Goddamn Italy&lt;/blockquote&gt;Italy is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8300184.stm&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;most persecuted country in the entire history of the world.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>Goddamn Italy</blockquote>Italy is the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8300184.stm" title="" rel="nofollow">most persecuted country in the entire history of the world.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/10/goddamn-italy/comment-page-1/#comment-291268</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to P O&#039;Neill&#039;s question is &quot;everything&quot;, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The answer to <span class="caps">P O</span>&#8217;Neill&#8217;s question is &#8220;everything&#8221;, of course.</p>
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