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	<title>Comments on: Ostrom, Williamson win Econ Nobel</title>
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		<title>By: Substance McGravitas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/12/ostrom-williamson-win-econ-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-291813</link>
		<dc:creator>Substance McGravitas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/10/why_everything_in_superfreakon.php&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim Lambert on the global warming bits of Superfreakonomics:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I reviewed Freakonomics when it first came out and really liked it. So I was looking forward to the sequel Superfreakonomics. Unfortunately, Levitt and Dubner decided to write about global warming and have made a dreadful hash of it. The result is so wrong that it has even Joe Romm and William Connolley in agreement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/10/why_everything_in_superfreakon.php" title="" rel="nofollow">Tim Lambert on the global warming bits of Superfreakonomics:</a><blockquote>I reviewed Freakonomics when it first came out and really liked it. So I was looking forward to the sequel Superfreakonomics. Unfortunately, Levitt and Dubner decided to write about global warming and have made a dreadful hash of it. The result is so wrong that it has even Joe Romm and William Connolley in agreement.</blockquote></p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/12/ostrom-williamson-win-econ-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-291517</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in the UK, of course, we mostly have to make do with the less flashy, less sexy, low-budget version -- Tim Harford. Author of thought-provoking postings such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.ft.com/undercover/2009/09/dear-economist-should-my-useless-but-sexy-pa-stay/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Dear Economist: Should my useless but sexy PA stay?

Samantha, my PA, is so very unreliable. For example, she failed to pass on your invitation to feature as a responding correspondent in your recent “Dear Undercover Economist” plug article. However, she does have a fantastic pair of, er … feet. Should I fire her?
Bob Casablanca&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here in the UK, of course, we mostly have to make do with the less flashy, less sexy, low-budget version&#8212;Tim Harford. Author of thought-provoking postings such as <a href="http://blogs.ft.com/undercover/2009/09/dear-economist-should-my-useless-but-sexy-pa-stay/" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>

	<p><blockquote>Dear Economist: Should my useless but sexy PA stay?</blockquote></p>

	<p>Samantha, my PA, is so very unreliable. For example, she failed to pass on your invitation to feature as a responding correspondent in your recent &#8220;Dear Undercover Economist&#8221; plug article. However, she does have a fantastic pair of, er &#8230; feet. Should I fire her?<br />
Bob Casablanca</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/12/ostrom-williamson-win-econ-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-291516</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(To clarify, &#039;they&#039; would appear to refer to anyone unfortunate enough to score above a determined level on a list of criteria which includes &#039;rent their home, have no savings account or life insurance, be a student, and have both Muslim first and last names&#039;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(To clarify, &#8216;they&#8217; would appear to refer to anyone unfortunate enough to score above a determined level on a list of criteria which includes &#8216;rent their home, have no savings account or life insurance, be a student, and have both Muslim first and last names&#8217;.)</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/12/ostrom-williamson-win-econ-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-291515</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m not saying we should lock them up.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a relief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I&#8217;m not saying we should lock them up.</i></p>

	<p>That&#8217;s a relief.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashlie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/12/ostrom-williamson-win-econ-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-291507</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>disregard my previous comment - I read your previous entry about the amendment so we must agree about this, but FYI I think your blog&#039;s position has been mis-represented elsewhere on the web</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>disregard my previous comment &#8211; I read your previous entry about the amendment so we must agree about this, but <span class="caps">FYI I</span> think your blog&#8217;s position has been mis-represented elsewhere on the web</p>
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		<title>By: Ashlie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/12/ostrom-williamson-win-econ-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-291506</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am happy to see this, but found your blog through a terribly upsetting piece endorsing amendment No. 2631 to HR 2847 - which seeks to eliminate the political science program at the National Science Foundation (NSF).  So a political scientist deserves a nobel prize, but her research doesn&#039;t deserve NSF funding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am happy to see this, but found your blog through a terribly upsetting piece endorsing amendment No. 2631 to <span class="caps">HR 2847 </span>- which seeks to eliminate the political science program at the National Science Foundation (NSF).  So a political scientist deserves a nobel prize, but her research doesn&#8217;t deserve <span class="caps">NSF</span> funding?</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sock Puppet: How odd.  I see 21 (now 23) comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sock Puppet: How odd.  I see 21 (now 23) comments.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/10/12/ostrom-williamson-win-econ-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-291496</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Levitt reacts

&lt;em&gt;The reaction of the economics community to Elinor Ostrom’s prize will likely be quite different. The reason? If you had done a poll of academic economists yesterday and asked who Elinor Ostrom was, or what she worked on, I doubt that more than one in five economists could have given you an answer. I personally would have failed the test. I had to look her up on Wikipedia, and even after reading the entry, I have no recollection of ever seeing or hearing her name mentioned by an economist. She is a political scientist, both by training and her career — one of the most decorated political scientists around. So the fact I have never heard of her reflects badly on me, and it also highlights just how substantial the boundaries between social science disciplines remain.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;So the short answer is that the economics profession is going to hate the prize going to Ostrom even more than Republicans hated the Peace prize going to Obama. Economists want this to be an economists’ prize (after all, economists are self-interested). This award demonstrates, in a way that no previous prize has, that the prize is moving toward a Nobel in Social Science, not a Nobel in economics.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I don’t mean to imply this is necessarily a bad thing — economists certainly do not have a monopoly on talent within the social sciences — just that it will be unpopular among my peers.&lt;/em&gt;

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/what-this-years-nobel-prize-in-economics-says-about-the-nobel-prize-in-economics/

Some element of the pundit fallacy appears to be there i.e. the projection of one&#039;s own opinions as those of a larger group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Levitt reacts</p>

	<p><em>The reaction of the economics community to Elinor Ostrom&#8217;s prize will likely be quite different. The reason? If you had done a poll of academic economists yesterday and asked who Elinor Ostrom was, or what she worked on, I doubt that more than one in five economists could have given you an answer. I personally would have failed the test. I had to look her up on Wikipedia, and even after reading the entry, I have no recollection of ever seeing or hearing her name mentioned by an economist. She is a political scientist, both by training and her career &#8212; one of the most decorated political scientists around. So the fact I have never heard of her reflects badly on me, and it also highlights just how substantial the boundaries between social science disciplines remain.</em></p>

	<p><em>So the short answer is that the economics profession is going to hate the prize going to Ostrom even more than Republicans hated the Peace prize going to Obama. Economists want this to be an economists&#8217; prize (after all, economists are self-interested). This award demonstrates, in a way that no previous prize has, that the prize is moving toward a Nobel in Social Science, not a Nobel in economics.</em></p>

	<p><em>I don&#8217;t mean to imply this is necessarily a bad thing &#8212; economists certainly do not have a monopoly on talent within the social sciences &#8212; just that it will be unpopular among my peers.</em></p>

	<p><a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/what-this-years-nobel-prize-in-economics-says-about-the-nobel-prize-in-economics/" rel="nofollow">http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/what-this-years-nobel-prize-in-economics-says-about-the-nobel-prize-in-economics/</a></p>

	<p>Some element of the pundit fallacy appears to be there i.e. the projection of one&#8217;s own opinions as those of a larger group.</p>
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		<title>By: Sock Puppet of the Great Satan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sock Puppet of the Great Satan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: The main page shows 21 comments to  this post, but only 13 when you open the comment thread. Is this a function of teh editing of unwelcome comments into the metaphorical round filing cabinet, or some other server issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Question: The main page shows 21 comments to  this post, but only 13 when you open the comment thread. Is this a function of teh editing of unwelcome comments into the metaphorical round filing cabinet, or some other server issue?</p>
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		<title>By: SusanC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SusanC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I didn’t expect Levitt’s fame to turn him into a Bond villain.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Though it&#039;s Nathan Mhyrvold&#039;s scheme, and he once said (of himself and Bill), &quot;We are no longer megalomanics ... we are gigalomaniacs.&quot;</description>
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I didn&#8217;t expect Levitt&#8217;s fame to turn him into a Bond villain.<br />
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	<p>Though it&#8217;s Nathan Mhyrvold&#8217;s scheme, and he once said (of himself and Bill), &#8220;We are no longer megalomanics &#8230; we are gigalomaniacs.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pumping sulphur dioxide into the upper atmosphere, via an 18 mile long hosepipe held aloft by balloons?  I didn&#039;t expect Levitt&#039;s fame to turn him into a Bond villain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pumping sulphur dioxide into the upper atmosphere, via an 18 mile long hosepipe held aloft by balloons?  I didn&#8217;t expect Levitt&#8217;s fame to turn him into a Bond villain.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Levitt has a blind spot about false positives, as John DiNardo notes in an excellent review currently on my blog - after discussing a quite arbitrary statistical test for teacher cheating, he concludes &quot;sadly, there was only enough evidence to put a dozen of them away&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Levitt has a blind spot about false positives, as John DiNardo notes in an excellent review currently on my blog &#8211; after discussing a quite arbitrary statistical test for teacher cheating, he concludes &#8220;sadly, there was only enough evidence to put a dozen of them away&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey. Levitt on ethnic profiling:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Isn&#039;t everyone in favour of that? How could you not be in favour of that? I&#039;m not saying we should lock them up,&quot; he says. &quot;But would it not make sense for MI5 to take a close look at those people? Of course, it&#039;s a slight inconvenience to those innocents who have MI5 scrutinise them. But economics is all about trade-offs.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s the last sentence that really grates with me - as if looking in the mirror and saying &quot;economics&quot; three times could make law and political theory go away. Jeremy Waldron&#039;s written about that particular &#039;trade-off&#039;, and not favourably; Dworkin&#039;s written about it, come to that. (So no, not everyone is &lt;i&gt;in favour of that&lt;/i&gt;.) And the argument doesn&#039;t even make sense in its own terms: Burkeman himself makes the point that the data Levitt&#039;s relying on for his profile of &lt;i&gt;those people&lt;/i&gt; derive from &lt;b&gt;police arrest figures&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Blimey. Levitt on ethnic profiling:</p>

	<p><i>&#8220;Isn&#8217;t everyone in favour of that? How could you not be in favour of that? I&#8217;m not saying we should lock them up,&#8221; he says. &#8220;But would it not make sense for <span class="caps">MI5</span> to take a close look at those people? Of course, it&#8217;s a slight inconvenience to those innocents who have <span class="caps">MI5</span> scrutinise them. But economics is all about trade-offs.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s the last sentence that really grates with me &#8211; as if looking in the mirror and saying &#8220;economics&#8221; three times could make law and political theory go away. Jeremy Waldron&#8217;s written about that particular &#8216;trade-off&#8217;, and not favourably; Dworkin&#8217;s written about it, come to that. (So no, not everyone is <i>in favour of that</i>.) And the argument doesn&#8217;t even make sense in its own terms: Burkeman himself makes the point that the data Levitt&#8217;s relying on for his profile of <i>those people</i> derive from <b>police arrest figures</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure it&#039;s unfair to judge &lt;em&gt;Superfreakonomics&lt;/em&gt; on the basis of that article alone. For one thing, it would obviously be absurd for them to argue that a reduction in CO2 emissions is impossible because the whole history of economics proves that 6 billion citizens won&#039;t all individually reduce their emissions, unless they also had up their sleeves an argument proving that governments can&#039;t do it on citizens&#039; behalf either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s unfair to judge <em>Superfreakonomics</em> on the basis of that article alone. For one thing, it would obviously be absurd for them to argue that a reduction in <span class="caps">CO2</span> emissions is impossible because the whole history of economics proves that 6 billion citizens won&#8217;t all individually reduce their emissions, unless they also had up their sleeves an argument proving that governments can&#8217;t do it on citizens&#8217; behalf either.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, you really need (or rather, we really need for you ) to put your Freknomics destruction series on CT, in one post of mass destruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Daniel, you really need (or rather, we really need for you ) to put your Freknomics destruction series on CT, in one post of mass destruction.</p>
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