Comments on: Tschichold Afterthoughts http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sun, 27 May 2012 09:28:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Tim Wilkinson http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-295422 Tim Wilkinson Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:59:28 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-295422 I was not aware of that. But when did they start to use the word 'cerise'? I DON'T LIKE IT. I may write a letter. BTW I too would have wanted him to write a green one, and am glad that he did. But but but - what about the fake primary colours issue? I think that, if sustainable, is actually of some interest - unlike my idiosycratic (and faintly snobbish I suspect, in some obscure way) prejudice about colour terminology. I was not aware of that. But when did they start to use the word ‘cerise’? I DON’T LIKE IT. I may write a letter. BTW I too would have wanted him to write a green one, and am glad that he did.

But but but – what about the fake primary colours issue? I think that, if sustainable, is actually of some interest – unlike my idiosycratic (and faintly snobbish I suspect, in some obscure way) prejudice about colour terminology.

]]> By: John Holbo http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-295416 John Holbo Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:22:40 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-295416 deliasmith, I was going to make one about 'scranletting', a la Cold Comfort Farm. 'Cerise' is actually the travel books series for Penguin, and has been for many decades, Tim. I don't know why I changed the colors up for my little parody version. I could have made the travel book cerise instead of green. But I wanted 'Jules Verdigris' to have written a green book. http://www.penguincerisetravel.com/ deliasmith, I was going to make one about ‘scranletting’, a la Cold Comfort Farm. ‘Cerise’ is actually the travel books series for Penguin, and has been for many decades, Tim. I don’t know why I changed the colors up for my little parody version. I could have made the travel book cerise instead of green. But I wanted ‘Jules Verdigris’ to have written a green book.

http://www.penguincerisetravel.com/

]]> By: dave heasman http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-295412 dave heasman Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:26:25 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-295412 Good old Robin. I wondered what had happened to him; I used to meet him at gigs, then he got married & disappeared. Very nice bloke. Good old Robin. I wondered what had happened to him; I used to meet him at gigs, then he got married & disappeared. Very nice bloke.

]]> By: Tim Wilkinson http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-295410 Tim Wilkinson Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:04:33 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-295410 Why does that colour's being called 'cerise' irk me? I don't know if it's a new-ish (80s vintage?) term - I suspect so. It has the mark of the marketer about it. I think of that colour (or a close match) by the name under which I first encountered it: rose, specifically Tyrian rose. I remember it well, since I quickly realised it was the purest red for mixing colours. It also occurs to me it's pretty much magenta. And, intimately interrelated with both of those things, that within acceptable tolerances it is in fact Red, primary Red. Which brings us round to the squidfont, de Stijl, etc and makes me wonder why red as we know it - i.e. somewhere around cadmium, in the scarlet-crimson range - is considered a primary colour (of paint and other subtractive media), and how different the world, and that squid, might look now had lemon-yellow, magenta and cyan been adopted as modernism's palette. Could there have been a bloodlust of a peculiarly Nazi-friendly type involved in developing that black, red & white colour scheme? Why does that colour’s being called ‘cerise’ irk me? I don’t know if it’s a new-ish (80s vintage?) term – I suspect so. It has the mark of the marketer about it. I think of that colour (or a close match) by the name under which I first encountered it: rose, specifically Tyrian rose. I remember it well, since I quickly realised it was the purest red for mixing colours. It also occurs to me it’s pretty much magenta. And, intimately interrelated with both of those things, that within acceptable tolerances it is in fact Red, primary Red.

Which brings us round to the squidfont, de Stijl, etc and makes me wonder why red as we know it – i.e. somewhere around cadmium, in the scarlet-crimson range – is considered a primary colour (of paint and other subtractive media), and how different the world, and that squid, might look now had lemon-yellow, magenta and cyan been adopted as modernism’s palette. Could there have been a bloodlust of a peculiarly Nazi-friendly type involved in developing that black, red & white colour scheme?

]]> By: deliasmith http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-295350 deliasmith Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:36:34 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-295350 I should have said at the start of the previous post 'Apropos the orange O & S titles,' I should have said at the start of the previous post ‘Apropos the orange O & S titles,’

]]> By: deliasmith http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-295349 deliasmith Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:33:55 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-295349 The pottery trade is a good source of odd job titles: saggar maker's bottom knocker' is worn out now, but the people who put handles on cups are still called 'cup handlers'. Looking for the job title of people who put the spouts on teapots I found <a href="http://www.occupationalinfo.org/dot_s4.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>. The volume 'Soaker to squirt' includes the following string: SOCIOLOGIST (profess. & kin.) 054.067-014 sock-and-stocking ironer (laundry & rel.) 363.687-014 SOCK BOARDER (knitting) 589.686-042 sock drier (laundry & rel.) 363.687-014 Socket Assembler (electron. comp.) 726.684-070 SOCKET PULLER (musical inst.) 730.682-010 Sock Examiner (knitting) 684.684-010 sock folder (laundry & rel.) 363.687-014 which is a help in fixing the place of intellectuals in society. There is no entry for 'philosopher'. The pottery trade is a good source of odd job titles: saggar maker’s bottom knocker’ is worn out now, but the people who put handles on cups are still called ‘cup handlers’.

Looking for the job title of people who put the spouts on teapots I found this.

The volume ‘Soaker to squirt’ includes the following string:

SOCIOLOGIST (profess. & kin.) 054.067-014
sock-and-stocking ironer (laundry & rel.) 363.687-014
SOCK BOARDER (knitting) 589.686-042
sock drier (laundry & rel.) 363.687-014
Socket Assembler (electron. comp.) 726.684-070
SOCKET PULLER (musical inst.) 730.682-010
Sock Examiner (knitting) 684.684-010
sock folder (laundry & rel.) 363.687-014

which is a help in fixing the place of intellectuals in society.

There is no entry for ‘philosopher’.

]]> By: Ombrageux http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-295045 Ombrageux Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:44:11 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-295045 You know, this blog is weird as hell. You know, this blog is weird as hell.

]]> By: John Holbo http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-295003 John Holbo Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:21:57 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-295003 Yes, it's odd, isn't it Salient. I didn't intend it, but the thing is optically illusory in a couple different ways. I think it's safe to assume Tschichold wouldn't have been very impressed. Yes, it’s odd, isn’t it Salient. I didn’t intend it, but the thing is optically illusory in a couple different ways. I think it’s safe to assume Tschichold wouldn’t have been very impressed.

]]> By: Salient http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-295000 Salient Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:41:00 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-295000 #89: Pretty please a geometry textbook with that exact cover. ...What really gets me is that the red thick tentacle is exactly the same length as the black thick tentacle; by optical illusion it looks marginally longer at the bottom. (Would Tschichold have approved?) #89: Pretty please a geometry textbook with that exact cover.

…What really gets me is that the red thick tentacle is exactly the same length as the black thick tentacle; by optical illusion it looks marginally longer at the bottom. (Would Tschichold have approved?)

]]> By: John Holbo http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-294966 John Holbo Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:43:07 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-294966 No, no, bad books are never published. There is a review process in the publishing industry to ensure quality. Thank goodness. No, no, bad books are never published. There is a review process in the publishing industry to ensure quality. Thank goodness.

]]> By: ben http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-294958 ben Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:12:30 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-294958 You and I both know that's hardly a good inference. You and I both know that’s hardly a good inference.

]]> By: John Holbo http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-294950 John Holbo Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:41:23 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-294950 Yes, otherwise they wouldn't have published it. Yes, otherwise they wouldn’t have published it.

]]> By: ben http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/11/tschichold-afterthoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-294899 ben Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:36:48 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13663#comment-294899 I bet <em>An Excruciating Pause</em> is pretty good. I bet An Excruciating Pause is pretty good.

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