<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: European Politics Update</title>
	<atom:link href="http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/</link>
	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:14:19 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-296306</link>
		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-296306</guid>
		<description>FIFA is opposed to video evidence, for reasons never clearly expressed, and even though its own fourth-officials are suspected in several instances of sneaking a peek to radio-correct particularly egregious errors. The details of when and how official video reviews can be made will require a good deal of thought and probably some years of tweaking, but the case for some form of video review is unanswerable. 

Post-match video review has been used to suspend players for violence undetected at the time, or to fix cases where referees gave a card to the wrong teammate. There&#039;s too much money riding on key decisions, in a low-scoring sport.  Part of the reason golden-goal was abandoned was that mistakes became utterly crucial. The increase in both number of games with TV coverage and also number of camera angles per telecast means that most fans now have an increasingly large mental store of obvious injustices to nurse.  

The use of extra penalty-area monitors as in the Europa League is also a good idea.  FIFA may go with that as an alternative to video review, whereas it should be in addition to it.

Probably the single most urgently needed improvement is some kind of automatic offside detection; officials get this wrong so often that fans barely even bother to complain about it any more. Small-enough sensors in the ball and on the players&#039; shirts should be feasible at a pretty low cost.

The cheating angle has been overblown. Punishing Henry in any way would be a ridiculous ex-post-facto option. Henry&#039;s handball was not in the Maradona category: it was conscious, but not premeditated. Owning up to a handball is so rare that FIFA has given medals to the few players to have done so.  While diving attracts opprobrium, I have never seen anyone comment on the way that both players in a 50-50 tussle will raise their hands for the throw-in or kick-out/corner when the ball goes out of play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">FIFA</span> is opposed to video evidence, for reasons never clearly expressed, and even though its own fourth-officials are suspected in several instances of sneaking a peek to radio-correct particularly egregious errors. The details of when and how official video reviews can be made will require a good deal of thought and probably some years of tweaking, but the case for some form of video review is unanswerable.</p>

	<p>Post-match video review has been used to suspend players for violence undetected at the time, or to fix cases where referees gave a card to the wrong teammate. There&#8217;s too much money riding on key decisions, in a low-scoring sport.  Part of the reason golden-goal was abandoned was that mistakes became utterly crucial. The increase in both number of games with TV coverage and also number of camera angles per telecast means that most fans now have an increasingly large mental store of obvious injustices to nurse.</p>

	<p>The use of extra penalty-area monitors as in the Europa League is also a good idea.  <span class="caps">FIFA</span> may go with that as an alternative to video review, whereas it should be in addition to it.</p>

	<p>Probably the single most urgently needed improvement is some kind of automatic offside detection; officials get this wrong so often that fans barely even bother to complain about it any more. Small-enough sensors in the ball and on the players&#8217; shirts should be feasible at a pretty low cost.</p>

	<p>The cheating angle has been overblown. Punishing Henry in any way would be a ridiculous ex-post-facto option. Henry&#8217;s handball was not in the Maradona category: it was conscious, but not premeditated. Owning up to a handball is so rare that <span class="caps">FIFA</span> has given medals to the few players to have done so.  While diving attracts opprobrium, I have never seen anyone comment on the way that both players in a 50-50 tussle will raise their hands for the throw-in or kick-out/corner when the ball goes out of play.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eli Rabett</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-296251</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Rabett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-296251</guid>
		<description>Right, Henry skates on this and the message is anything goes.  He gets slammed and the divas might think twice before diving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Right, Henry skates on this and the message is anything goes.  He gets slammed and the divas might think twice before diving.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: y81</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-296125</link>
		<dc:creator>y81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-296125</guid>
		<description>After long thought, I have decided that the American high school and college system of having two referees (and, usually, no assistant referees) is better.  There is a much higher probability of detecting fouls, and, given that studies show that the ARs aren&#039;t that accurate on offsides, no real loss.  So once again we see that the American way is best.  But I don&#039;t expect that the benighted Eurosocialists of FIFA (or Crooked Timber) will get it right any time soon.

In fact, it appears that the much-maligned NHL has it right.  First of all,  they have two referees (and two linesmen, who are the equivalent of ARs).  Forty years ago, they had only one referee, but they changed.  Also, they have replay on disputes relating to goal scoring, but not otherwise.  So the game isn&#039;t interrupted excessively, like it is in the NFL, but the important calls are reviewed.  Of course, a lot of the powers that be in NHL are Canadian, so this undercuts the original political point about the superiority of the American political/economic system.  So only the first paragraph of this post has political implications, the second is just about sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>After long thought, I have decided that the American high school and college system of having two referees (and, usually, no assistant referees) is better.  There is a much higher probability of detecting fouls, and, given that studies show that the ARs aren&#8217;t that accurate on offsides, no real loss.  So once again we see that the American way is best.  But I don&#8217;t expect that the benighted Eurosocialists of <span class="caps">FIFA </span>(or Crooked Timber) will get it right any time soon.</p>

	<p>In fact, it appears that the much-maligned <span class="caps">NHL</span> has it right.  First of all,  they have two referees (and two linesmen, who are the equivalent of ARs).  Forty years ago, they had only one referee, but they changed.  Also, they have replay on disputes relating to goal scoring, but not otherwise.  So the game isn&#8217;t interrupted excessively, like it is in the <span class="caps">NFL</span>, but the important calls are reviewed.  Of course, a lot of the powers that be in <span class="caps">NHL</span> are Canadian, so this undercuts the original political point about the superiority of the American political/economic system.  So only the first paragraph of this post has political implications, the second is just about sports.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295984</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295984</guid>
		<description>&quot;Come down very hard.&quot;, eat your heart out whilst I prey you&#039;re never in a driving seat.

PS: as long as a billion of people are following a travesty, it&#039;s OK entertainment-wise I&#039;d guess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Come down very hard.&#8221;, eat your heart out whilst I prey you&#8217;re never in a driving seat.</p>

	<p>PS: as long as a billion of people are following a travesty, it&#8217;s OK entertainment-wise I&#8217;d guess</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eli Rabett</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295958</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Rabett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295958</guid>
		<description>Same argument was made about Maradona.  Sorry, the choice is come down very hard on this or wait for the next time.  Same goes for diving, which has made every play in the box a travesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Same argument was made about Maradona.  Sorry, the choice is come down very hard on this or wait for the next time.  Same goes for diving, which has made every play in the box a travesty.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295901</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295901</guid>
		<description>You do not realize that this person&#039;s talent is playing soccer and that you&#039;re willing - on the basis of your interpretation of his intention - to deny him that for life - on the basis, of what? That soccer players handling the ball with the hand never get caught, that it is not generally known that it was foul play, that all foul play is unfairness ...

Luckily emotion &amp; jealousy does not rule Henry&#039;s (to you undoubtedly spoiled) ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You do not realize that this person&#8217;s talent is playing soccer and that you&#8217;re willing &#8211; on the basis of your interpretation of his intention &#8211; to deny him that for life &#8211; on the basis, of what? That soccer players handling the ball with the hand never get caught, that it is not generally known that it was foul play, that all foul play is unfairness &#8230;</p>

	<p>Luckily emotion &#038; jealousy does not rule Henry&#8217;s (to you undoubtedly spoiled) ways.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eli Rabett</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295899</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Rabett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295899</guid>
		<description>Sorry JoB, but there has never been a cost to doing what Henry did, and the only way to get the player&#039;s attention is to make them pay drastically.  For sure Henry should never be allowed to play again.  Maybe in 20 years he can be a manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry JoB, but there has never been a cost to doing what Henry did, and the only way to get the player&#8217;s attention is to make them pay drastically.  For sure Henry should never be allowed to play again.  Maybe in 20 years he can be a manager.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295885</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295885</guid>
		<description>Oh come on! - all that banning for life stuff should really be banned. 

Not even murderers get life sentences in civilized countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh come on! &#8211; all that banning for life stuff should really be banned.</p>

	<p>Not even murderers get life sentences in civilized countries.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eli Rabett</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295882</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Rabett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295882</guid>
		<description>You can&#039;t rebuild a broken egg, however you can prevent others from being broken.  The obvious solution is to ban Henry for life which will stop others from doing the Maradona thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You can&#8217;t rebuild a broken egg, however you can prevent others from being broken.  The obvious solution is to ban Henry for life which will stop others from doing the Maradona thing.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295854</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295854</guid>
		<description>_And didn’t the Australians—who would leave things to the umpire—win, in the sense that everyone now does it their way?_

Doesn&#039;t stop the Australians from moaning about &quot;cheats&quot;,  as with that Strauss catch (or &quot;catch&quot;) during the last Ashes series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>And didn&#8217;t the Australians&#8212;who would leave things to the umpire&#8212;win, in the sense that everyone now does it their way?</em></p>

	<p>Doesn&#8217;t stop the Australians from moaning about &#8220;cheats&#8221;,  as with that Strauss catch (or &#8220;catch&#8221;) during the last Ashes series.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tom Hurka</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295853</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hurka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295853</guid>
		<description>In baseball the catcher regularly &quot;frames&quot; the pitch, trying to get the umpire to call it a strike when it wasn&#039;t. That&#039;s accepted as part of the game, and TV commentators praise a catcher when he does it particularly well.  Similarly, it&#039;s accepted that an outfielder who&#039;s caught a ball just after it hit the ground will jump up and pretend he caught it on the fly -- it&#039;s the umpire&#039;s job to decide the case, and if he gets it wrong the outfielder certainly doesn&#039;t correct him. What counts as &quot;cheating&quot; in a sport and what doesn&#039;t is often a delicate matter.

Anyway, didn&#039;t the English and the Australians have a thing about this decades ago in cricket? And didn&#039;t the Australians -- who would leave things to the umpire -- win, in the sense that everyone now does it their way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In baseball the catcher regularly &#8220;frames&#8221; the pitch, trying to get the umpire to call it a strike when it wasn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s accepted as part of the game, and TV commentators praise a catcher when he does it particularly well.  Similarly, it&#8217;s accepted that an outfielder who&#8217;s caught a ball just after it hit the ground will jump up and pretend he caught it on the fly&#8212;it&#8217;s the umpire&#8217;s job to decide the case, and if he gets it wrong the outfielder certainly doesn&#8217;t correct him. What counts as &#8220;cheating&#8221; in a sport and what doesn&#8217;t is often a delicate matter.</p>

	<p>Anyway, didn&#8217;t the English and the Australians have a thing about this decades ago in cricket? And didn&#8217;t the Australians&#8212;who would leave things to the umpire&#8212;win, in the sense that everyone now does it their way?</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295831</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295831</guid>
		<description>btw, do watch the whole video and rather than just reading the text at the above link. Keane is on top form, especially when a journalist&#039;s phone goes off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>btw, do watch the whole video and rather than just reading the text at the above link. Keane is on top form, especially when a journalist&#8217;s phone goes off.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295830</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295830</guid>
		<description>Of course, there&#039;s Roy Keane&#039;s view

bq. &quot;There was one match against Georgia where Ireland got a penalty and it was one of the worst decisions I&#039;ve ever seen which changed the whole course of the game. I don&#039;t remember the FAI after the game saying we should give them a replay.&quot; 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8370327.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Of course, there&#8217;s Roy Keane&#8217;s view</p>

	<blockquote>&#8220;There was one match against Georgia where Ireland got a penalty and it was one of the worst decisions I&#8217;ve ever seen which changed the whole course of the game. I don&#8217;t remember the <span class="caps">FAI</span> after the game saying we should give them a replay.&#8221;</blockquote>

	<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8370327.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8370327.stm</a></p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295827</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295827</guid>
		<description>13-  where&#039;s the irony in the better side outperforming the worse side, when the former are at their worst and the latter on their best. Go see a doctor! 

The teams of &quot;Van&#039;s&quot; will kick you out of the next Europeans for soccer - as we did you out of the next worlds at hockey. And now rugby is going Olympic ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>13-  where&#8217;s the irony in the better side outperforming the worse side, when the former are at their worst and the latter on their best. Go see a doctor!</p>

	<p>The teams of &#8220;Van&#8217;s&#8221; will kick you out of the next Europeans for soccer &#8211; as we did you out of the next worlds at hockey. And now rugby is going Olympic &#8230;</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mrs Tilton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/11/20/european-politics-update/comment-page-1/#comment-295806</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Tilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=13820#comment-295806</guid>
		<description>JoB @8,

&lt;i&gt;Ireland ... deserves to be beaten by a continental genius&lt;/i&gt;

Oh &#039;tis true, &#039;tis true. Pity, then, that Ireland had to make do with being beaten by a continental side so vastly teh suck that they couldn&#039;t qualify for South Africa without first needing a play-off against little vampire minnow Ireland; and even then could beat them only by eschewing the foreign game for a jolly old round of gaa. The irony&#039;s so rich, I&#039;m getting acute pancreatitis even as I type these words.

And no base francophobia here, BTW. I&#039;ve been thrilled by the French XV so far this autumn, and I say that as one of the very few people wearing a Manu Samoa top in the seats at the Stade de France tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>JoB @8,</p>

	<p><i>Ireland &#8230; deserves to be beaten by a continental genius</i></p>

	<p>Oh &#8216;tis true, &#8216;tis true. Pity, then, that Ireland had to make do with being beaten by a continental side so vastly teh suck that they couldn&#8217;t qualify for South Africa without first needing a play-off against little vampire minnow Ireland; and even then could beat them only by eschewing the foreign game for a jolly old round of gaa. The irony&#8217;s so rich, I&#8217;m getting acute pancreatitis even as I type these words.</p>

	<p>And no base francophobia here, <span class="caps">BTW</span>. I&#8217;ve been thrilled by the French XV so far this autumn, and I say that as one of the very few people wearing a Manu Samoa top in the seats at the Stade de France tonight.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Minified using disk: basic
Page Caching using disk: enhanced

Served from: crookedtimber.org @ 2012-02-13 08:19:02 -->
