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	<title>Comments on: A Christmas Carol and The Chimes</title>
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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Salient</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/19/christmascarolchimes/comment-page-1/#comment-299315</link>
		<dc:creator>Salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Curious that there isn’t a public domain setting.&lt;/i&gt;

I guess KC already covered this, but it&#039;s technically acting orthogonal to Flickr Community Guidelines, to upload scans of stuff that other people originally created. Even very old PD stuff. &quot;Flickr accounts are intended for personal use, for our members to share photos and video that they themselves have created.&quot; Blah blah blah. Note, the CG and ToS very carefully avoid explicitly prohibiting this content -- that users might post content created by others is just an possibility that the Flickr folks seem to wish to very conscientiously pretend doesn&#039;t exist, or at least hasn&#039;t ever occurred to them. :-)

Oh, and happy holidays, everybody. (If I keep to generic well-wishes like that, I can avoid mass remonstration, right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Curious that there isn&#8217;t a public domain setting.</i></p>

	<p>I guess KC already covered this, but it&#8217;s technically acting orthogonal to Flickr Community Guidelines, to upload scans of stuff that other people originally created. Even very old PD stuff. &#8220;Flickr accounts are intended for personal use, for our members to share photos and video that they themselves have created.&#8221; Blah blah blah. Note, the CG and ToS very carefully avoid explicitly prohibiting this content&#8212;that users might post content created by others is just an possibility that the Flickr folks seem to wish to very conscientiously pretend doesn&#8217;t exist, or at least hasn&#8217;t ever occurred to them. :-)</p>

	<p>Oh, and happy holidays, everybody. (If I keep to generic well-wishes like that, I can avoid mass remonstration, right?)</p>
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		<title>By: jazzbumpa</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/19/christmascarolchimes/comment-page-1/#comment-299312</link>
		<dc:creator>jazzbumpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John -
Squidulicious!   Thanks, and happy tentacular holidays.

Cheers!
JzB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John &#8211; Squidulicious!   Thanks, and happy tentacular holidays.</p>

	<p>Cheers!<br />
JzB</p>
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		<title>By: MR Bill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/19/christmascarolchimes/comment-page-1/#comment-299292</link>
		<dc:creator>MR Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a link to  plates for &lt;i&gt;The Haunted Man and the Ghost&#039;s Bargain&lt;/i&gt;.
http://www.victorianweb.org/art/illustration/haunted/pva75.html

I&#039;ve always thought this one of Dicken&#039;s stranger tales, oddly overwrought, with the contrast of the terribly good Tetterbys and the gothic Redlaw undercutting the story in a silly way..    I&#039;ve tried to imagine it as some sort of anti drug tract, ( maybe all a drugged vision of the chemist Redlaw, wrestling himself in the form of the Phantom of his darker hours), with a nod at social consciousness (is the message Redlaw without an emotional memory is degraded to the level of the &#039;creature&#039; from the streets?).  And the breaking of the Gift spread to the  the family by....Millie showing up? And the influence of music?
I understand the idea expressed by &quot;I have lost my memory of sorrow, wrong, and trouble,&quot; said the Chemist, &quot;and with that I have lost all man would remember!&quot;  at the heart of the story, it&#039;s just the mechanics are confusing and often unclear.
I guess I&#039;m trying to visualize this becoming a beloved Christmas Classic and failing.  Maybe an anime version is the thing.
It might be a good message in a time when a large percentage of the population is on antidepressants..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s a link to  plates for <i>The Haunted Man and the Ghost&#8217;s Bargain</i>.<br />
<a href="http://www.victorianweb.org/art/illustration/haunted/pva75.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.victorianweb.org/art/illustration/haunted/pva75.html</a></p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve always thought this one of Dicken&#8217;s stranger tales, oddly overwrought, with the contrast of the terribly good Tetterbys and the gothic Redlaw undercutting the story in a silly way..    I&#8217;ve tried to imagine it as some sort of anti drug tract, ( maybe all a drugged vision of the chemist Redlaw, wrestling himself in the form of the Phantom of his darker hours), with a nod at social consciousness (is the message Redlaw without an emotional memory is degraded to the level of the &#8216;creature&#8217; from the streets?).  And the breaking of the Gift spread to the  the family by&#8230;.Millie showing up? And the influence of music?<br />
I understand the idea expressed by &#8220;I have lost my memory of sorrow, wrong, and trouble,&#8221; said the Chemist, &#8220;and with that I have lost all man would remember!&#8221;  at the heart of the story, it&#8217;s just the mechanics are confusing and often unclear.<br />
I guess I&#8217;m trying to visualize this becoming a beloved Christmas Classic and failing.  Maybe an anime version is the thing.<br />
It might be a good message in a time when a large percentage of the population is on antidepressants..</p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/19/christmascarolchimes/comment-page-1/#comment-299291</link>
		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Squid you want? Squid you get!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jholbo/sets/72157622973328046/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Squid you want? Squid you get!</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jholbo/sets/72157622973328046/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/jholbo/sets/72157622973328046/</a></p>
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		<title>By: rm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/19/christmascarolchimes/comment-page-1/#comment-299281</link>
		<dc:creator>rm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So . . . that Jim Carrey film was more faithful to the original than I thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So . . . that Jim Carrey film was more faithful to the original than I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: jazzbumpa</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/19/christmascarolchimes/comment-page-1/#comment-299251</link>
		<dc:creator>jazzbumpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have photoshopped squid pix?

Please, post a link to that.

Cheers!
JzB the squid-hugging trombonist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You have photoshopped squid pix?</p>

	<p>Please, post a link to that.</p>

	<p>Cheers!<br />
JzB the squid-hugging trombonist</p>
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		<title>By: KCinDC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/19/christmascarolchimes/comment-page-1/#comment-299244</link>
		<dc:creator>KCinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of discussions of public domain on Flickr &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/search/forum/?lang=en-us&amp;q=public+domain&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?w=309584%40N24&amp;q=public+domain&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, though I haven&#039;t found an official statement yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lots of discussions of public domain on Flickr <a href="http://www.flickr.com/search/forum/?lang=en-us&#038;q=public+domain" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?w=309584%40N24&#038;q=public+domain" rel="nofollow">here</a>, though I haven&#8217;t found an official statement yet.</p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/19/christmascarolchimes/comment-page-1/#comment-299241</link>
		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Steven, yes I&#039;ll do that. 

Someone else emailed to note that the Flickr sets asserted copyright. That was just me forgetting to set the settings. But, on examination, there isn&#039;t a Flickr setting for public domain. So I reset the images at the most generous level of CC license. (There isn&#039;t a no-license option, so that was the most generous I could go for. Curious that there isn&#039;t a public domain setting.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks, Steven, yes I&#8217;ll do that.</p>

	<p>Someone else emailed to note that the Flickr sets asserted copyright. That was just me forgetting to set the settings. But, on examination, there isn&#8217;t a Flickr setting for public domain. So I reset the images at the most generous level of CC license. (There isn&#8217;t a no-license option, so that was the most generous I could go for. Curious that there isn&#8217;t a public domain setting.)</p>
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		<title>By: Steven desJardins</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/19/christmascarolchimes/comment-page-1/#comment-299232</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven desJardins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Project Gutenberg has an edition of &lt;i&gt;A Christmas Carol&lt;/i&gt; with the Leech illustrations, but not &lt;i&gt;The Chimes&lt;/i&gt;. It would be a good deed if you added the illustrations to their HTML edition and sent it to them.

http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Public_Domain_eBook_Submission_How-To</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Project Gutenberg has an edition of <i>A Christmas Carol</i> with the Leech illustrations, but not <i>The Chimes</i>. It would be a good deed if you added the illustrations to their <span class="caps">HTML</span> edition and sent it to them.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Public_Domain_eBook_Submission_How-To" rel="nofollow">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Public_Domain_eBook_Submission_How-To</a></p>
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		<title>By: gyges</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/19/christmascarolchimes/comment-page-1/#comment-299224</link>
		<dc:creator>gyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite enjoy the &lt;a href=&quot;http://adrugwarcarol.com/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Drug War Carol&lt;/a&gt; ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I quite enjoy the <a href="http://adrugwarcarol.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">Drug War Carol</a> &#8230;</p>
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