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		<title>By: lemmy caution</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemmy caution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This page has the original TV guide listing:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tvparty.com/xmasrudolph4.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rudolf,  not to be outdone by humans, develops a complex about his incongruity and this is heightened when other reindeer ban him from their social gatherings- until a blizzard threatens to cancel Christmas. &lt;/a&gt;

Apparently, they added the part where Santa came back to pick up to the misfit toys in 1965 in response to viewer letters. 

The presumed psychological effects of exclusion were part of the rationale for Brown v. Board of education:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/brown-case-order/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;To separate them [children in grade and high schools] from others of similar age and qualifications solely because of their race generates a feeling of inferiority as to their status in the community that may affect their hearts and minds in a way unlikely to ever be undone…&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

It isn&#039;t clear that this rationale is or was true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This page has the original TV guide listing:</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.tvparty.com/xmasrudolph4.html" rel="nofollow">Rudolf,  not to be outdone by humans, develops a complex about his incongruity and this is heightened when other reindeer ban him from their social gatherings- until a blizzard threatens to cancel Christmas. </a></p>

	<p>Apparently, they added the part where Santa came back to pick up to the misfit toys in 1965 in response to viewer letters.</p>

	<p>The presumed psychological effects of exclusion were part of the rationale for Brown v. Board of education:</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/brown-case-order/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;To separate them [children in grade and high schools] from others of similar age and qualifications solely because of their race generates a feeling of inferiority as to their status in the community that may affect their hearts and minds in a way unlikely to ever be undone&#8230;&#8221;</a></p>

	<p>It isn&#8217;t clear that this rationale is or was true.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watched the classic Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer X-Mas special with the kids last night. I wonder: was such a message of tolerance, across color lines, considered faintly radical in 1964?&quot;

I doubt if racists perceived Rudolf the Red Nose reindeer as having some sort of anti-racism message.  Racists don&#039;t generally think of themselves as racists (or if they explicitly adopt that label, then they don&#039;t see it in pejorative terms) and that&#039;s why they are pretty much immune to either perceiving or taking to heart stories with anti-racist messages.  They see themselves as people who just see things the way they are and everybody else refuses to admit to reality becuase of &quot;political correctness&quot;.  What normal people view as stereotypes, they view as just an accurate description of reality.  

Basically, racism belongs more in the psychological category of delusion, not run of the mill error.  If someone makes an error, I might be able to just demonstrate where they are wrong and bring them about to the correct view by demonstrating where they went wrong.   The delusional are much more difficult to persuade.  There is a certain willfulness involved (see also global warming deniers who recoil from the label of denier).  Or if I were to put it in religious terms, convincing a racist almost takes a conversion experience in which they see things in a completely different light.  Not &quot;Oh, I see I was wrong, that sociological study shows that X belief is wrong, I&#039;ll abandon that belief&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Watched the classic Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer X-Mas special with the kids last night. I wonder: was such a message of tolerance, across color lines, considered faintly radical in 1964?&#8221;</p>

	<p>I doubt if racists perceived Rudolf the Red Nose reindeer as having some sort of anti-racism message.  Racists don&#8217;t generally think of themselves as racists (or if they explicitly adopt that label, then they don&#8217;t see it in pejorative terms) and that&#8217;s why they are pretty much immune to either perceiving or taking to heart stories with anti-racist messages.  They see themselves as people who just see things the way they are and everybody else refuses to admit to reality becuase of &#8220;political correctness&#8221;.  What normal people view as stereotypes, they view as just an accurate description of reality.</p>

	<p>Basically, racism belongs more in the psychological category of delusion, not run of the mill error.  If someone makes an error, I might be able to just demonstrate where they are wrong and bring them about to the correct view by demonstrating where they went wrong.   The delusional are much more difficult to persuade.  There is a certain willfulness involved (see also global warming deniers who recoil from the label of denier).  Or if I were to put it in religious terms, convincing a racist almost takes a conversion experience in which they see things in a completely different light.  Not &#8220;Oh, I see I was wrong, that sociological study shows that X belief is wrong, I&#8217;ll abandon that belief&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gene O&#039;Grady @ 25&lt;/i&gt;

I just want to add a little more to the John Wayne movie criticism. 

When I referenced &lt;i&gt;The Searchers&lt;/i&gt; above, my point was that it&#039;s a little too cliche to point to John Wayne -- or cowboys and indians movies in general. The better part of the genre, John Wayne movies included, is a little more nuanced than what some people make it out to be. 

In many movies, because even semi-decent drama demands such things, it wasn&#039;t simply a matter of cowboys good, indians bad. There are usually corrupt white men and noble savages characters. Wayne&#039;s roles often were sympathetic to the indians. (Admittedly, he also made his share of schlock movies.)

Now, my 1970&#039;s childhood was in part heir to these movies. I always find it intriguing that as children, my friends and I would at times fight over who got to be the indians when playing cowboys and indians. It wasn&#039;t that cowboys were uncool; but the indians seemed pretty cool, too. 

The U.S. government may have had it in for the indians, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to say the same for Hollywood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Gene O&#8217;Grady @ 25</i></p>

	<p>I just want to add a little more to the John Wayne movie criticism.</p>

	<p>When I referenced <i>The Searchers</i> above, my point was that it&#8217;s a little too cliche to point to John Wayne&#8212;or cowboys and indians movies in general. The better part of the genre, John Wayne movies included, is a little more nuanced than what some people make it out to be.</p>

	<p>In many movies, because even semi-decent drama demands such things, it wasn&#8217;t simply a matter of cowboys good, indians bad. There are usually corrupt white men and noble savages characters. Wayne&#8217;s roles often were sympathetic to the indians. (Admittedly, he also made his share of schlock movies.)</p>

	<p>Now, my 1970&#8217;s childhood was in part heir to these movies. I always find it intriguing that as children, my friends and I would at times fight over who got to be the indians when playing cowboys and indians. It wasn&#8217;t that cowboys were uncool; but the indians seemed pretty cool, too.</p>

	<p>The U.S. government may have had it in for the indians, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to say the same for Hollywood.</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
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		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudolph dates to 1939.</description>
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		<title>By: Gene O'Grady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene O'Grady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not familiar with most of the popular culture references in this discussion, but I was 16 years old in 1964 and can say with assurance (1) most white kids were not insulated from racism in those &quot;highly segregated?&quot; days and (2) the sort of anti-racist message that seems to be imputed was pretty standard fare in popular TV.

By the way, John Wayne had many nasty characteristics (and some nice ones), took a repugnant stance during the VietNam War era (although not during the Panama Canal transfer), and could be a real SOB, but he really wasn&#039;t a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with most of the popular culture references in this discussion, but I was 16 years old in 1964 and can say with assurance (1) most white kids were not insulated from racism in those &#8220;highly segregated?&#8221; days and (2) the sort of anti-racist message that seems to be imputed was pretty standard fare in popular TV.</p>

	<p>By the way, John Wayne had many nasty characteristics (and some nice ones), took a repugnant stance during the VietNam War era (although not during the Panama Canal transfer), and could be a real <span class="caps">SOB</span>, but he really wasn&#8217;t a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
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		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s been too long (or not long enough?) since I saw Dune for me to be running my mouth about it&lt;/i&gt;

Which raises the deep and interesting question as to whether a visual adaptation of a widely-known book  can displace the book as the Primary Text.  A decade ago, I and my fellow Tolkienists spilled uncounted bazillions of electrons over this issue in (prospectively) debating the legitimacy of the Lord of the Rings movies online.  The fundamental cleavage was between &quot;Purists&quot; and &quot;Revisionists&quot;; as a leading revisionist, I took the negative in the debate, but I am no longer utterly sold on that position.

The practical argument for it is that a book is presumptively the work of a single individual with more-or-less complete control over the product, whereas a movie, or at least a &quot;commercial&quot; one, is inevitably a collaboration between a number of people who may be fundamentally at odds with one another, so that the final product will likely be more contingent than coherent, making the question of &quot;intent&quot; unanswerable.

In this instance, I guess we started out talking about the visual medium, so fair enough.  (As for myself, I read &lt;i&gt;Dune&lt;/i&gt;,  once and long ago, but never saw the movie.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It&#8217;s been too long (or not long enough?) since I saw Dune for me to be running my mouth about it</i></p>

	<p>Which raises the deep and interesting question as to whether a visual adaptation of a widely-known book  can displace the book as the Primary Text.  A decade ago, I and my fellow Tolkienists spilled uncounted bazillions of electrons over this issue in (prospectively) debating the legitimacy of the Lord of the Rings movies online.  The fundamental cleavage was between &#8220;Purists&#8221; and &#8220;Revisionists&#8221;; as a leading revisionist, I took the negative in the debate, but I am no longer utterly sold on that position.</p>

	<p>The practical argument for it is that a book is presumptively the work of a single individual with more-or-less complete control over the product, whereas a movie, or at least a &#8220;commercial&#8221; one, is inevitably a collaboration between a number of people who may be fundamentally at odds with one another, so that the final product will likely be more contingent than coherent, making the question of &#8220;intent&#8221; unanswerable.</p>

	<p>In this instance, I guess we started out talking about the visual medium, so fair enough.  (As for myself, I read <i>Dune</i>,  once and long ago, but never saw the movie.)</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Meilleur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice Meilleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DoctorSlack, GingerYellow: My bad. It&#039;s been too long (or not long enough?) since I saw &lt;em&gt;Dune&lt;/em&gt; for me to be running my mouth about it, so I had a gander. Paul Atreides really is basically T.E. Lawrence in a stillsuit. I will say in my partial defense that &#039;environmentalist&#039; is not the same as &#039;guilt-stricken white man&#039;, and Atreides ends up leading the Fremen, not against his own house (in the manner of &lt;em&gt;Dances with Wolves&lt;/em&gt;), but against the enemies of his house, Harkonnens and the Emperor (in the manner of &lt;em&gt;Lawrence of Arabia&lt;/em&gt;). But still, you&#039;re right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>DoctorSlack, GingerYellow: My bad. It&#8217;s been too long (or not long enough?) since I saw <em>Dune</em> for me to be running my mouth about it, so I had a gander. Paul Atreides really is basically T.E. Lawrence in a stillsuit. I will say in my partial defense that &#8216;environmentalist&#8217; is not the same as &#8216;guilt-stricken white man&#8217;, and Atreides ends up leading the Fremen, not against his own house (in the manner of <em>Dances with Wolves</em>), but against the enemies of his house, Harkonnens and the Emperor (in the manner of <em>Lawrence of Arabia</em>). But still, you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I suggest that Prof. Holbo, having posted about &lt;i&gt;Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer&lt;/i&gt;, turn his attention now to that imperishable holiday-season classic, the 1986 (made-for-TV) version of &lt;i&gt;Babes in Toyland&lt;/i&gt;, starring Drew Barrymore and with a supporting cast which includes -- drumroll, please -- Keanu Reeves. Here the standard moral about the reality and goodness of Santa is replaced by the injunction to believe in the reality of toys. I would be surprised if some nuggets of philosophical or political significance could not be found in this work of cinematic genius and unsurpassed showcase for the art of acting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>May I suggest that Prof. Holbo, having posted about <i>Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer</i>, turn his attention now to that imperishable holiday-season classic, the 1986 (made-for-TV) version of <i>Babes in Toyland</i>, starring Drew Barrymore and with a supporting cast which includes&#8212;drumroll, please&#8212;Keanu Reeves. Here the standard moral about the reality and goodness of Santa is replaced by the injunction to believe in the reality of toys. I would be surprised if some nuggets of philosophical or political significance could not be found in this work of cinematic genius and unsurpassed showcase for the art of acting.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Slack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Slack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Dune:&lt;/i&gt; The Fremen are basically meant to be futuristic (and romantic) Arabs. Herbert was pretty clear about this point. They didn&#039;t necessarily look like Arabs, but they served the same narrative function and fit the same tropes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Dune:</i> The Fremen are basically meant to be futuristic (and romantic) Arabs. Herbert was pretty clear about this point. They didn&#8217;t necessarily look like Arabs, but they served the same narrative function and fit the same tropes.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McIrvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt McIrvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Sneetches&quot; is indeed a pretty obvious anti-racist parable, but it manages to pack a lot of layers into a remarkably short story.  He gets in digs at fashion, the cycle of pop-cultural backlash, the way that bigotry makes you a sucker for various forms of hucksterism, and the futility of trying to fix bigotry by getting rid of the underlying differences people are bigoted about.

I&#039;ve always admired what Dr. Seuss did with didacticism: many of his stories were fables as blatant as Aesop&#039;s, but they didn&#039;t come across as patronizing to kids, in part because he was usually criticizing adult failings rather than telling kids to obey their elders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The Sneetches&#8221; is indeed a pretty obvious anti-racist parable, but it manages to pack a lot of layers into a remarkably short story.  He gets in digs at fashion, the cycle of pop-cultural backlash, the way that bigotry makes you a sucker for various forms of hucksterism, and the futility of trying to fix bigotry by getting rid of the underlying differences people are bigoted about.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve always admired what Dr. Seuss did with didacticism: many of his stories were fables as blatant as Aesop&#8217;s, but they didn&#8217;t come across as patronizing to kids, in part because he was usually criticizing adult failings rather than telling kids to obey their elders.</p>
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		<title>By: kid bitzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>kid bitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m going to pretend that the topic here is &quot;hidden justifications of empire in pop culture&quot;, so that i can say the following.

the bit in life of brian about &quot;what have the romans done for us?&quot;.

it&#039;s hilarious, and also useful (cf. paul krugman&#039;s recent invocation).

but, you know, it really and truly is an apologia for aggressive empire. having a lot of sons  of oxbridge sit around saying this, only thirty years after the uk finally released india from its clutches, is not as charming as it might at first seem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>i&#8217;m going to pretend that the topic here is &#8220;hidden justifications of empire in pop culture&#8221;, so that i can say the following.</p>

	<p>the bit in life of brian about &#8220;what have the romans done for us?&#8221;.</p>

	<p>it&#8217;s hilarious, and also useful (cf. paul krugman&#8217;s recent invocation).</p>

	<p>but, you know, it really and truly is an apologia for aggressive empire. having a lot of sons  of oxbridge sit around saying this, only thirty years after the uk finally released india from its clutches, is not as charming as it might at first seem.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The idea that David Lynch made a movie (or Frank Herbert wrote a book) that was about ‘white guilt’ in the manner of Dances with Wolves is just silly.&quot;

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s so silly for the book. White guilt might not be quite the right tone, but there are a lot of parallels.  The Fremen are archetypal noble savages, in touch with the land and living in harmony with its creatures all that. They are deeply spiritual warrior types. The Atreides and other Houses have been pillaging the natural resources using their ostensibly superior technology, but are confined to outposts by the hostility of the environment. Indeed, there&#039;s a blatant environmentalist streak running through all of Dune (the book), in the best &quot;white guilt&quot; tradition. Paul Atreides forsakes his imperial heritage, leads the Fremen to victory and even assumes a native name. 

It&#039;s hardly a stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The idea that David Lynch made a movie (or Frank Herbert wrote a book) that was about &#8216;white guilt&#8217; in the manner of Dances with Wolves is just silly.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s so silly for the book. White guilt might not be quite the right tone, but there are a lot of parallels.  The Fremen are archetypal noble savages, in touch with the land and living in harmony with its creatures all that. They are deeply spiritual warrior types. The Atreides and other Houses have been pillaging the natural resources using their ostensibly superior technology, but are confined to outposts by the hostility of the environment. Indeed, there&#8217;s a blatant environmentalist streak running through all of Dune (the book), in the best &#8220;white guilt&#8221; tradition. Paul Atreides forsakes his imperial heritage, leads the Fremen to victory and even assumes a native name.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s hardly a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Roac @ 7&lt;/i&gt;

Which John Wayne movie? &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Searchers_(film)&quot; title=&quot;The Searchers &#124; Wikipedia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Searchers?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Roac @ 7</i></p>

	<p>Which John Wayne movie? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Searchers_(film)" title="The Searchers | Wikipedia" rel="nofollow"><i>The Searchers?</i></a></p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I was going to mention Hermie&#039;s obviousness. But while we&#039;re on the subject, there has long been a split within the audience between those who think (correctly) that he is Hermie, and that who are deluded and think he is Herbie. Watching the show again I realized that, oddly, some of the characters call him Hermie and some call him Herbie. Suggesting that, perhaps, the writers weren&#039;t sure what they wanted his name to be. (But I am still sure that the correct answer is: Hermie. Or Hermey, if you prefer.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, I was going to mention Hermie&#8217;s obviousness. But while we&#8217;re on the subject, there has long been a split within the audience between those who think (correctly) that he is Hermie, and that who are deluded and think he is Herbie. Watching the show again I realized that, oddly, some of the characters call him Hermie and some call him Herbie. Suggesting that, perhaps, the writers weren&#8217;t sure what they wanted his name to be. (But I am still sure that the correct answer is: Hermie. Or Hermey, if you prefer.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ebenezer Scrooge</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/22/santa-and-moral-judgment/comment-page-1/#comment-299518</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebenezer Scrooge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that you might be forgetting Hermie the [gay] dentist elf.   Far more radical than Rudolph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think that you might be forgetting Hermie the [gay] dentist elf.   Far more radical than Rudolph.</p>
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