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		<title>By: Hungover Guy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2010/01/25/the-pipesucker-report/comment-page-1/#comment-302570</link>
		<dc:creator>Hungover Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I can understand right now, I think you&#039;re right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As much as I can understand right now, I think you&#8217;re right!</p>
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		<title>By: dave heasman</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave heasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as far as knowledge of psychedelia in Britain at the time goes, a quick thumb through back issues of “Oz” should make that quite evident.


  Not printed in England until 1967. The first few issues didn&#039;t seem to get distributed very far from W11.  IT was earlier, but had poor distribution too. Both were very hard to read, no matter what state one was in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And as far as knowledge of psychedelia in Britain at the time goes, a quick thumb through back issues of &#8220;Oz&#8221; should make that quite evident.</p>


	<p>Not printed in England until 1967. The first few issues didn&#8217;t seem to get distributed very far from <span class="caps">W11</span>.  IT was earlier, but had poor distribution too. Both were very hard to read, no matter what state one was in.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2010/01/25/the-pipesucker-report/comment-page-1/#comment-302498</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomorrow Never Knows strikes me as a more plausible target for the parody than Lucy, though I doubt that it was aimed at a particular song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tomorrow Never Knows strikes me as a more plausible target for the parody than Lucy, though I doubt that it was aimed at a particular song.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Easwaran</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2010/01/25/the-pipesucker-report/comment-page-1/#comment-302483</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Easwaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Baby Gaga&quot; is the perfect name for any young girl!  Although &quot;young&quot; is perhaps relative - I was surprised when I discovered that Lady Gaga is actually old enough to legally drink as much as the lyrics to &quot;Just Dance&quot; suggest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Baby Gaga&#8221; is the perfect name for any young girl!  Although &#8220;young&#8221; is perhaps relative &#8211; I was surprised when I discovered that Lady Gaga is actually old enough to legally drink as much as the lyrics to &#8220;Just Dance&#8221; suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the song was taped in November 1966, according to &quot;How Interesting: Peter Cook, His Universe and All That Surrounds It&quot;. There is a “Bee Side” to the single which you can listen to at the link below, which makes the drug theme rather more explicit. 

http://stabbers.truth.posiweb.net/stabbers/html/discography/singles.htm

And as far as knowledge of psychedelia in Britain at the time goes, a quick thumb through back issues of “Oz” should make that quite evident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually the song was taped in November 1966, according to &#8220;How Interesting: Peter Cook, His Universe and All That Surrounds It&#8221;. There is a &#8220;Bee Side&#8221; to the single which you can listen to at the link below, which makes the drug theme rather more explicit.</p>

	<p><a href="http://stabbers.truth.posiweb.net/stabbers/html/discography/singles.htm" rel="nofollow">http://stabbers.truth.posiweb.net/stabbers/html/discography/singles.htm</a></p>

	<p>And as far as knowledge of psychedelia in Britain at the time goes, a quick thumb through back issues of &#8220;Oz&#8221; should make that quite evident.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2010/01/25/the-pipesucker-report/comment-page-1/#comment-302442</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had the LSBB been unmistakeably LITSWD-ish, the intriguing possibility that the latter was inspired by the former could have come into play, of course. 

But surely the &#039;not about LSD&#039; line is an urban urban-myth myth? Debunking is just as seductive (and as often perverse)  as fabulation.

Ahistoricality @27 &lt;i&gt;are you invoking a technical distinction between parody and satire by which parody by definition involves something present or past only?&lt;/i&gt;

I think that&#039;s probably about right in substance - though it&#039;s an unintuitive way of putting it. Perhaps better: no-one can intentionally parody something with which they have no causal interaction. Add a collateral hypothesis of unidirectional causation and authorial intention and you have the derived temporal thesis. (That&#039;s &#039;intuitive&#039; in the analytic philosopher&#039;s sense, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Had the <span class="caps">LSBB</span> been unmistakeably <span class="caps">LITSWD</span>-ish, the intriguing possibility that the latter was inspired by the former could have come into play, of course.</p>

	<p>But surely the &#8216;not about <span class="caps">LSD</span>&#8217; line is an urban urban-myth myth? Debunking is just as seductive (and as often perverse)  as fabulation.</p>

	<p>Ahistoricality @27 <i>are you invoking a technical distinction between parody and satire by which parody by definition involves something present or past only?</i></p>

	<p>I think that&#8217;s probably about right in substance &#8211; though it&#8217;s an unintuitive way of putting it. Perhaps better: no-one can intentionally parody something with which they have no causal interaction. Add a collateral hypothesis of unidirectional causation and authorial intention and you have the derived temporal thesis. (That&#8217;s &#8216;intuitive&#8217; in the analytic philosopher&#8217;s sense, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: BenSix</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My 5-year old daughter is shaping up to be a Peter Cook/Dudley Moore fan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

John, if I can say that when/if I have kids I&#039;ll be a proud man indeed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But, but, what if she stumbles on Derek and Clive? I foresee trauma.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
When she realises that &lt;i&gt;Come Again&lt;/i&gt; isn&#039;t nearly as funny as &lt;i&gt;(Live)&lt;/i&gt;? It&#039;s a hard moment for us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>My 5-year old daughter is shaping up to be a Peter Cook/Dudley Moore fan.</blockquote></p>

	<p>John, if I can say that when/if I have kids I&#8217;ll be a proud man indeed.</p>

	<p><blockquote>But, but, what if she stumbles on Derek and Clive? I foresee trauma.</blockquote><br />
When she realises that <i>Come Again</i> isn&#8217;t nearly as funny as <i>(Live)</i>? It&#8217;s a hard moment for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee A. Arnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee A. Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ligeti preferred the Beatles.  I read somewhere that he carried a copy of Sgt. Pepper around at Darmstadt.  Because you should never underestimate the power of a melody tied to a memory.   There are several photos of Ligeti with a Schubert sonata tucked under his arm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ligeti preferred the Beatles.  I read somewhere that he carried a copy of Sgt. Pepper around at Darmstadt.  Because you should never underestimate the power of a melody tied to a memory.   There are several photos of Ligeti with a Schubert sonata tucked under his arm.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahistoricality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahistoricality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, technically the concern was that something has to have happened before it can be parodied.&lt;/i&gt;

Does it? There are all kinds of satires based on &quot;what would happen if&quot; absurdities that never actually come to pass. Aristophanes&#039; Lysistrata or &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblywomen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ecclesiazusae&lt;/a&gt;, for example. Or are you invoking a technical distinction between parody and satire by which parody by definition involves something present or past only?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Well, technically the concern was that something has to have happened before it can be parodied.</i></p>

	<p>Does it? There are all kinds of satires based on &#8220;what would happen if&#8221; absurdities that never actually come to pass. Aristophanes&#8217; Lysistrata or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblywomen" rel="nofollow">Ecclesiazusae</a>, for example. Or are you invoking a technical distinction between parody and satire by which parody by definition involves something present or past only?</p>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2010/01/25/the-pipesucker-report/comment-page-1/#comment-302422</link>
		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the Pantisocrats would have been Dead Heads.</description>
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		<title>By: Substance McGravitas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Substance McGravitas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6kHgA-eRE&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;George Bernard Shaw preferred the Rolling Stones.&lt;/a&gt;  Release May 1966.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6kHgA-eRE" title="" rel="nofollow">George Bernard Shaw preferred the Rolling Stones.</a>  Release May 1966.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JH, everything has already happened, especially if you&#039;re dropping acid. And it&#039;s amazing how much of the 60s had already happened anyway, in the late 40s, if you were a beatnik. One might argue, if one were so wonted, that &lt;i&gt;The Dharma Bums&lt;/i&gt; is the &lt;i&gt;ne plus ultra&lt;/i&gt; of hippydom, and that all happened in 1955.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>JH, everything has already happened, especially if you&#8217;re dropping acid. And it&#8217;s amazing how much of the 60s had already happened anyway, in the late 40s, if you were a beatnik. One might argue, if one were so wonted, that <i>The Dharma Bums</i> is the <i>ne plus ultra</i> of hippydom, and that all happened in 1955.</p>
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		<title>By: Substance McGravitas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Substance McGravitas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That material was written by Derek Taylor. The first try at recording “Eight Miles High” was in December 1965. The lyrics really are all about a plane trip and how wet &amp; grey Liverpool is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Also from Wikipedia:&lt;blockquote&gt;The song was subject to a U.S. radio ban shortly after its release, due to perceived drug connotations in its lyrics. The band strenuously denied these allegations at the time, but in later years both Clark and Crosby admitted that the song was at least partly inspired by their own drug use.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>That material was written by Derek Taylor. The first try at recording &#8220;Eight Miles High&#8221; was in December 1965. The lyrics really are all about a plane trip and how wet &#038; grey Liverpool is.</blockquote>Also from Wikipedia:<blockquote>The song was subject to a U.S. radio ban shortly after its release, due to perceived drug connotations in its lyrics. The band strenuously denied these allegations at the time, but in later years both Clark and Crosby admitted that the song was at least partly inspired by their own drug use.</blockquote></p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really see the comparison to Norwegian Wood. Love You To, sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t really see the comparison to Norwegian Wood. Love You To, sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GY - &quot;Love you to&quot; was on Revolver; &quot;Norwegian Wood&quot; was on Rubber Soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">GY </span>- &#8220;Love you to&#8221; was on Revolver; &#8220;Norwegian Wood&#8221; was on Rubber Soul.</p>
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