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		<title>By: Jeff R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack@39:
&quot;We live in an era of small men with shallow vision...&quot;

I suspect that that is one of the time invariant opinions, much like &quot;kids these days have no respect for their elders&quot;...

Put me in the pro-Cooledge camp as well, and also in the &quot;if anyone should be coming off of the currency, it should be Jackson a thousand times before getting near to Grant&quot; one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jack@39:<br />
&#8220;We live in an era of small men with shallow vision&#8230;&#8221;</p>

	<p>I suspect that that is one of the time invariant opinions, much like &#8220;kids these days have no respect for their elders&#8221;&#8230;</p>

	<p>Put me in the pro-Cooledge camp as well, and also in the &#8220;if anyone should be coming off of the currency, it should be Jackson a thousand times before getting near to Grant&#8221; one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Strocchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pr Q said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Looking back at Republican presidents, nobody is really keen to remember Bush I and II, Ford or Nixon, &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am keen to remember Nixon.

Once upon a time I used to hate Nixon. Its indicative of the diminished stature of modern leaders that nowadays I feel that he was pretty decent President. Although still flawed he had some greatness within him. As Col Brennan, his chief-of-staff said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;BRENNAN&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Drone on? Jesus Christ. Where’s your respect?
Remember who you’re talking about. You media people, you’re so goddamn smug and selfrighteous.
You know as well as I do, that sixty percent of what Nixon did in office was right, and thirty per cent might have ended up wrong, but he thought it was right at the time.&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;b&gt;FROST&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;That still leaves ten percent where he was doing the wrong thing, and knew it.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We live in an era of small men with shallow visions. So its not surprising that there is chronic nostalgia for our lost greatness, even if the Republicans characteristically mess even that up.

Most contemporary financial, political and cultural elites, for that matter (especially), are pygmies relative to the giants of yesteryear. Compare  JP Morgan and Carnegie to Fuld or Salomon. Compare Keynes, Hayek or Samuelson to Leavitt, Fish or even Krugman. Compare De Gaulle, Thatcher or Whitlam to Rudd, Blair or Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pr Q said:</p>

	<p><blockquote><i>Looking back at Republican presidents, nobody is really keen to remember Bush I and II, Ford or Nixon, </i></blockquote></p>

	<p>I am keen to remember Nixon.</p>

	<p>Once upon a time I used to hate Nixon. Its indicative of the diminished stature of modern leaders that nowadays I feel that he was pretty decent President. Although still flawed he had some greatness within him. As Col Brennan, his chief-of-staff said:</p>

	<p><blockquote><b><span class="caps">BRENNAN</span></b><br />
<i>Drone on? Jesus Christ. Where&#8217;s your respect?<br />
Remember who you&#8217;re talking about. You media people, you&#8217;re so goddamn smug and selfrighteous.<br />
You know as well as I do, that sixty percent of what Nixon did in office was right, and thirty per cent might have ended up wrong, but he thought it was right at the time.</i><br />
<b><span class="caps">FROST</span></b><br />
<i>That still leaves ten percent where he was doing the wrong thing, and knew it.</i></blockquote></p>

	<p>We live in an era of small men with shallow visions. So its not surprising that there is chronic nostalgia for our lost greatness, even if the Republicans characteristically mess even that up.</p>

	<p>Most contemporary financial, political and cultural elites, for that matter (especially), are pygmies relative to the giants of yesteryear. Compare  <span class="caps">JP </span>Morgan and Carnegie to Fuld or Salomon. Compare Keynes, Hayek or Samuelson to Leavitt, Fish or even Krugman. Compare De Gaulle, Thatcher or Whitlam to Rudd, Blair or Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - there was an LPH in line for the name &#039;Spiro Agnew&#039;. Owing to a series of unfortunate events it had to be renamed quickly, and Ford&#039;s name came up first. Then the LPH was cancelled, leaving the name spare just as the CVN &#039;Nixon&#039; needed to renamed.  QED.

Failure to name a carrier after a naval person like FDR sends a pretty obvious signal about the political orientation of the USN, doesn&#039;t it? They must still be annoyed at the &#039;Good Neighbor&#039; policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah &#8211; there was an <span class="caps">LPH</span> in line for the name &#8216;Spiro Agnew&#8217;. Owing to a series of unfortunate events it had to be renamed quickly, and Ford&#8217;s name came up first. Then the <span class="caps">LPH</span> was cancelled, leaving the name spare just as the <span class="caps">CVN </span>&#8216;Nixon&#8217; needed to renamed.  <span class="caps">QED</span>.</p>

	<p>Failure to name a carrier after a naval person like <span class="caps">FDR</span> sends a pretty obvious signal about the political orientation of the <span class="caps">USN</span>, doesn&#8217;t it? They must still be annoyed at the &#8216;Good Neighbor&#8217; policy.</p>
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		<title>By: socialrepublican</title>
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		<dc:creator>socialrepublican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Gerald Ford getting the next carrier?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Isn&#8217;t Gerald Ford getting the next carrier?</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be very nervous about serving on the USS Richard Nixon, because I would always be worried that it would go to China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I would be very nervous about serving on the <span class="caps">USS </span>Richard Nixon, because I would always be worried that it would go to China.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Has anyone published a paper about the significance of the names given to US navy ships? A handful of the battle fleet carriers are named after presidents – who decides if they are worthy of the honour?&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s no clear pattern: Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt, Kennedy, Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Reagan and George Bush I get carriers. So, lots of wartime or navy-linked presidents (but not FDR at the moment; decommissioned in the seventies). As do famous segregationists with budgetary muscle: John Stennis and Carl Vinson. As does a famous admiral: Nimitz. 
Carter gets a submarine, Johnson and Nixon don&#039;t get anything as far as I know. (Obvious reasons why not in both cases.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Has anyone published a paper about the significance of the names given to US navy ships? A handful of the battle fleet carriers are named after presidents &#8211; who decides if they are worthy of the honour?</i></p>

	<p>There&#8217;s no clear pattern: Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt, Kennedy, Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Reagan and George Bush I get carriers. So, lots of wartime or navy-linked presidents (but not <span class="caps">FDR</span> at the moment; decommissioned in the seventies). As do famous segregationists with budgetary muscle: John Stennis and Carl Vinson. As does a famous admiral: Nimitz.<br />
Carter gets a submarine, Johnson and Nixon don&#8217;t get anything as far as I know. (Obvious reasons why not in both cases.)</p>
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		<title>By: maidhc</title>
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		<dc:creator>maidhc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People I would like to see on US currency:

Mark Twain
John Muir
Louis Armstrong
Edgar Allan Poe

I&#039;ve always admired countries that put artists on their money instead of politicians or royalty. (I include John Muir as an artist because he wrote many essays.)

My thoughts are that you would have to pick people who are well-known to the general public and have been dead long enough to be considered classic. Also they need to have made a major impact on their artform. I put Poe in to have a non-political southerner; perhaps Faulkner might do as well. I&#039;d add a Jewish musician like Irving Berlin or Gershwin (but George or Ira?).  I picked Louis Armstrong as the greatest African-American musician, but there are plenty more just behind him.

Frank Lloyd Wright for architecture, what about other visual arts?  Georgia O&#039;Keefe? Whistler? Albert Pinkham Ryder? Probably should be pre-WWII so as not to be too controversial.

Poets: Whitman, Longfellow, Sandburg, Frost, Dickinson? Ginsberg and more modern too controversial.

Film directors: John Ford, Busby Berkeley ...

Include some women ... great singers like Bessie Smith and Billie Holiday ... Laura Ingalls Wilder ... Dorothy Parker ... Dorothy Fields ... Rachel Carson

It would be good to include some Native Americans but the only one I can think of at the moment that fits in the general theme of creative work is Sequoyah.

This might seem to be more people than the available number of currency units. However, we have 50 different quarters for the 50 states.  Why not 50 different $20 bills for 50 great American artists? I pick the $20 bill because a.) that&#039;s what you get from ATMs, so it&#039;s the most seen  b.) I&#039;m not an admirer of Andrew Jackson.

Great scientists, engineers and inventors would be another series to look into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>People I would like to see on US currency:</p>

	<p>Mark Twain<br />
John Muir<br />
Louis Armstrong<br />
Edgar Allan Poe</p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve always admired countries that put artists on their money instead of politicians or royalty. (I include John Muir as an artist because he wrote many essays.)</p>

	<p>My thoughts are that you would have to pick people who are well-known to the general public and have been dead long enough to be considered classic. Also they need to have made a major impact on their artform. I put Poe in to have a non-political southerner; perhaps Faulkner might do as well. I&#8217;d add a Jewish musician like Irving Berlin or Gershwin (but George or Ira?).  I picked Louis Armstrong as the greatest African-American musician, but there are plenty more just behind him.</p>

	<p>Frank Lloyd Wright for architecture, what about other visual arts?  Georgia O&#8217;Keefe? Whistler? Albert Pinkham Ryder? Probably should be pre-WWII so as not to be too controversial.</p>

	<p>Poets: Whitman, Longfellow, Sandburg, Frost, Dickinson? Ginsberg and more modern too controversial.</p>

	<p>Film directors: John Ford, Busby Berkeley &#8230;</p>

	<p>Include some women &#8230; great singers like Bessie Smith and Billie Holiday &#8230; Laura Ingalls Wilder &#8230; Dorothy Parker &#8230; Dorothy Fields &#8230; Rachel Carson</p>

	<p>It would be good to include some Native Americans but the only one I can think of at the moment that fits in the general theme of creative work is Sequoyah.</p>

	<p>This might seem to be more people than the available number of currency units. However, we have 50 different quarters for the 50 states.  Why not 50 different $20 bills for 50 great American artists? I pick the $20 bill because a.) that&#8217;s what you get from ATMs, so it&#8217;s the most seen  b.) I&#8217;m not an admirer of Andrew Jackson.</p>

	<p>Great scientists, engineers and inventors would be another series to look into.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenAttewell</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevenAttewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: 

Taft-Hartley was President Taft&#039;s son, Senator from Ohio.

And I have to say that Ohio and Pennsylvania gave us some terrible presidents. Not a knock on the states or the fine people living there, but it&#039;s an awful track record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John:</p>

	<p>Taft-Hartley was President Taft&#8217;s son, Senator from Ohio.</p>

	<p>And I have to say that Ohio and Pennsylvania gave us some terrible presidents. Not a knock on the states or the fine people living there, but it&#8217;s an awful track record.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Flying Rodent
The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27646&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Onion&lt;/a&gt; beat you to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@ Flying Rodent<br />
The <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27646" rel="nofollow">Onion</a> beat you to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a couple of Australian Prime Ministers I can name only because they used their names for the various libraries at ANU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s a couple of Australian Prime Ministers I can name only because they used their names for the various libraries at <span class="caps">ANU</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re quite right, RW, I had forgotten Taft. But the only things I know about him are that he definitely wasn&#039;t a lightweight and that (I think) he&#039;s related to the Taft of Taft-Hartley. As for Andrew Johnson, he&#039;d be ideal except for that impeachment thingy - I don&#039;t think the GOP wants to remind people about that topic.

You did pretty well on your Oz PMs, misspelling Whitlam&#039;s name and getting the wrong Howard (Michael is UK Opposition leader, ours was John). You got the current PM right, and the other one was Fraser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;re quite right, RW, I had forgotten Taft. But the only things I know about him are that he definitely wasn&#8217;t a lightweight and that (I think) he&#8217;s related to the Taft of Taft-Hartley. As for Andrew Johnson, he&#8217;d be ideal except for that impeachment thingy &#8211; I don&#8217;t think the <span class="caps">GOP</span> wants to remind people about that topic.</p>

	<p>You did pretty well on your Oz PMs, misspelling Whitlam&#8217;s name and getting the wrong Howard (Michael is <span class="caps">UK </span>Opposition leader, ours was John). You got the current PM right, and the other one was Fraser.</p>
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		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging by number of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_$1_Coin_Program&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dollar coin designs&lt;/a&gt;, Grover Cleveland is twice as great as every other President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Judging by number of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_$1_Coin_Program" rel="nofollow">dollar coin designs</a>, Grover Cleveland is twice as great as every other President.</p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...they also had an article in their current newsletter comparing Coolidge and Obama (I think in regard to their rhetoric, of all things).&lt;/i&gt;
I don&#039;t know a lot about Coolidge beyond &#039;silent Cal&#039; and &quot;the business of America is business,&quot; but even assuming there&#039;s more to Coolidge, comparing him to Obama as a speaker (or rhetorician or whatever) seems a bit of a stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8230;they also had an article in their current newsletter comparing Coolidge and Obama (I think in regard to their rhetoric, of all things).</i><br />
I don&#8217;t know a lot about Coolidge beyond &#8216;silent Cal&#8217; and &#8220;the business of America is business,&#8221; but even assuming there&#8217;s more to Coolidge, comparing him to Obama as a speaker (or rhetorician or whatever) seems a bit of a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Waldmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Waldmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what about Andrew Johnson ?  OK so he was a Democrat before he was a Republican, but he fought for white supremacy (and said so).  Best of all, had no formal schooling whatsoever (his wife taught him how to read).  

Now that&#039;s a symbol for the modern Republican party.

Also, how the hell do you know about US presidents ?  I can name Australian prime ministers.  To be specific I can name 2 or 3 (Kevin Rudd, Michael Howard, Gaugh Whitlam and someone named either Ali or Frazier) only if I get partial credit for misspelled names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And what about Andrew Johnson ?  OK so he was a Democrat before he was a Republican, but he fought for white supremacy (and said so).  Best of all, had no formal schooling whatsoever (his wife taught him how to read).</p>

	<p>Now that&#8217;s a symbol for the modern Republican party.</p>

	<p>Also, how the hell do you know about US presidents ?  I can name Australian prime ministers.  To be specific I can name 2 or 3 (Kevin Rudd, Michael Howard, Gaugh Whitlam and someone named either Ali or Frazier) only if I get partial credit for misspelled names.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Waldmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Waldmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a huge gigantic massive gap in your list of Republican Presidents.  What about Taft ?  He wasn&#039;t a nonentity elected soon after Grant.  He wasn&#039;t a RINO.   He wasn&#039;t a lightweight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is a huge gigantic massive gap in your list of Republican Presidents.  What about Taft ?  He wasn&#8217;t a nonentity elected soon after Grant.  He wasn&#8217;t a <span class="caps">RINO</span>.   He wasn&#8217;t a lightweight.</p>
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