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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405053</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 19:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...but of course Belgium and the Netherlands can&#039;t leverage their currency, so this must be something else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but of course Belgium and the Netherlands can&#8217;t leverage their currency, so this must be something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405052</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 19:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the table, if anyone cares:
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

Belgium got 135 billion, the Netherlands 19, what&#039;s the deal with that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the table, if anyone cares:<br />
<a href="http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt</a></p>
<p>Belgium got 135 billion, the Netherlands 19, what&#8217;s the deal with that?</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405041</link>
		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ajay@162: &lt;i&gt;I think one could make some very good points about how US military power turns into economic power in a tribute kind of way. &lt;/i&gt;

Would you make them, for the benefit of those of us who are always looking for things to blame America for?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ajay@162: <i>I think one could make some very good points about how US military power turns into economic power in a tribute kind of way. </i></p>
<p>Would you make them, for the benefit of those of us who are always looking for things to blame America for?</p>
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		<title>By: Neville Morley</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405038</link>
		<dc:creator>Neville Morley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want a &#039;Like this Comment&#039; button for #160.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want a &#8216;Like this Comment&#8217; button for #160.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405031</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...oh, actually, I take it back: those are not dollar-denominated reserves, just reserves. Damn, the doubts remain...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;oh, actually, I take it back: those are not dollar-denominated reserves, just reserves. Damn, the doubts remain&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405029</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I think a pretty good empirical case against the thesis is that Russia is up there, next to the Saudis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-exchange_reserves#List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves

The Russians really shouldn&#039;t have any extraordinary incentive to stockpile it, or at least I can&#039;t imagine what it would be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think a pretty good empirical case against the thesis is that Russia is up there, next to the Saudis:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-exchange_reserves#List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-exchange_reserves#List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves</a></p>
<p>The Russians really shouldn&#8217;t have any extraordinary incentive to stockpile it, or at least I can&#8217;t imagine what it would be.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405025</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, not so fast Henri. I think one could make some very good points about how US military power turns into economic power in a tribute kind of way. I just think that CB FX reserves aren&#039;t a good example of that - they&#039;re an example of economic dominance affecting other countries&#039; behaviour (possibly) to the benefit of the dominant power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not so fast Henri. I think one could make some very good points about how US military power turns into economic power in a tribute kind of way. I just think that CB FX reserves aren&#8217;t a good example of that &#8211; they&#8217;re an example of economic dominance affecting other countries&#8217; behaviour (possibly) to the benefit of the dominant power.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405024</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alright, I now officially declare it not a tribute system. Over and done. ...but I still have my doubts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I now officially declare it not a tribute system. Over and done. &#8230;but I still have my doubts.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405023</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn, they got ajay! Between two comments, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, they got ajay! Between two comments, too.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405016</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DON&#039;T do it through central banks, sorry]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DON&#8217;T do it through central banks, sorry</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405015</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Meh, I don’t think Saudi central bank is that much firewalled from Saudi oligarchs. Or, for that matter, any central bank from its national oligarchs.&lt;/i&gt;

If you mean firewalled in terms of influence, sure. But stopping runaway movements in exchange rates is pretty much what those oligarchs want the central bank to do. It&#039;s what central banks are &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; and it&#039;s why they need dollar reserves. If the oligarchs want to invest in US bonds, either because they think it&#039;s a good risk/return proposal or because they want to demonstrate submissiveness to the Mighty Hegemon or whatever, they do it through central banks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Meh, I don’t think Saudi central bank is that much firewalled from Saudi oligarchs. Or, for that matter, any central bank from its national oligarchs.</i></p>
<p>If you mean firewalled in terms of influence, sure. But stopping runaway movements in exchange rates is pretty much what those oligarchs want the central bank to do. It&#8217;s what central banks are <i>for</i> and it&#8217;s why they need dollar reserves. If the oligarchs want to invest in US bonds, either because they think it&#8217;s a good risk/return proposal or because they want to demonstrate submissiveness to the Mighty Hegemon or whatever, they do it through central banks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;But, again, why should oil exporters hold big dollar balances? &lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s worth remembering that the whole issue didn&#039;t emerge five minutes ago. In 1970, you couldn&#039;t do a multizillion forex trade in milliseconds. So, if you received USD from your customers, you had little choice but to run a substantial float of dollars. Up until the late sixties, dollar liquidity tended to end up back in the US as a matter of course. After that, you had a market for dollar investments outside the US (the eurodollar market), and this rapidly growing pool of dollars outside the US Treasury or the Fed&#039;s control became an important factor in the globalisation of finance.

But this wasn&#039;t because the US had gained *more* control over the financial system. We went from $35=1 oz of gold and everyone else on a crawling peg linked to that, pretty obviously a system of undoubted US final control of monetary policy, to an all-floating system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But, again, why should oil exporters hold big dollar balances? </em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth remembering that the whole issue didn&#8217;t emerge five minutes ago. In 1970, you couldn&#8217;t do a multizillion forex trade in milliseconds. So, if you received USD from your customers, you had little choice but to run a substantial float of dollars. Up until the late sixties, dollar liquidity tended to end up back in the US as a matter of course. After that, you had a market for dollar investments outside the US (the eurodollar market), and this rapidly growing pool of dollars outside the US Treasury or the Fed&#8217;s control became an important factor in the globalisation of finance.</p>
<p>But this wasn&#8217;t because the US had gained *more* control over the financial system. We went from $35=1 oz of gold and everyone else on a crawling peg linked to that, pretty obviously a system of undoubted US final control of monetary policy, to an all-floating system.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Vieuxtemps</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-405008</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Vieuxtemps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meh, I don&#039;t think Saudi central bank is that much firewalled from Saudi oligarchs. Or, for that matter, any central bank from its national oligarchs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh, I don&#8217;t think Saudi central bank is that much firewalled from Saudi oligarchs. Or, for that matter, any central bank from its national oligarchs.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-404988</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Could be the fear of Israel’s military attack&lt;/i&gt;

No, it isn&#039;t. Dubai is supposed to be worried about being attacked by Israel if it doesn&#039;t put lots of money into T-bills? That&#039;s not even remotely plausible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Could be the fear of Israel’s military attack</i></p>
<p>No, it isn&#8217;t. Dubai is supposed to be worried about being attacked by Israel if it doesn&#8217;t put lots of money into T-bills? That&#8217;s not even remotely plausible.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/22/the-world-economy-is-not-a-tribute-system/comment-page-4/#comment-404986</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The oil sheiks, I think they do buy other assets, invest in businesses. To the tune of a trillion bucks, just for the Saudis, IIRC. And that gives them a stake in the government enterprise as well.&lt;/i&gt;

OK, I think that when you say &quot;Saudis&quot; you are conflating the Saudi central bank, the Saudi government and its SWFs, and the Saudi people. Same confusion as earlier (#137). The Saudi central bank isn&#039;t putting $1 trillion into business investments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The oil sheiks, I think they do buy other assets, invest in businesses. To the tune of a trillion bucks, just for the Saudis, IIRC. And that gives them a stake in the government enterprise as well.</i></p>
<p>OK, I think that when you say &#8220;Saudis&#8221; you are conflating the Saudi central bank, the Saudi government and its SWFs, and the Saudi people. Same confusion as earlier (#137). The Saudi central bank isn&#8217;t putting $1 trillion into business investments.</p>
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