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		<title>By: John David Galt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453708</link>
		<dc:creator>John David Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A good case can be made that women voters *are* responsible for the unprecedented nanny-statism of the last century -- and that at least part of the blame is direct (there was a huge overlap between the Suffragettes and the alcohol-prohibition movement).

It would likely be even more productive for freedom, though, if we could take the vote away from people who can be talked into nanny-statist policies by sound bites on TV, &lt;i&gt;as a category&lt;/i&gt;.  Or simply educate or persuade everyone, including women, not to fall into that category.  The problem seems to be that those who are already in it won&#039;t listen to reason and nobody can make them.

Ultimately, we may need to abandon the notion of democracy as leading to incentive traps that destroy freedom.  After all, democracy is not a valid moral principle anyway; its value is that it fosters freedom (and ends when it ceases doing so).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good case can be made that women voters *are* responsible for the unprecedented nanny-statism of the last century &#8212; and that at least part of the blame is direct (there was a huge overlap between the Suffragettes and the alcohol-prohibition movement).</p>
<p>It would likely be even more productive for freedom, though, if we could take the vote away from people who can be talked into nanny-statist policies by sound bites on TV, <i>as a category</i>.  Or simply educate or persuade everyone, including women, not to fall into that category.  The problem seems to be that those who are already in it won&#8217;t listen to reason and nobody can make them.</p>
<p>Ultimately, we may need to abandon the notion of democracy as leading to incentive traps that destroy freedom.  After all, democracy is not a valid moral principle anyway; its value is that it fosters freedom (and ends when it ceases doing so).</p>
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		<title>By: j_30</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453657</link>
		<dc:creator>j_30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moving “You’re right. Up until they got the vote, our women were blameless” to the taking-the-piss column... replaced with: 

&quot;I don&#039;t know what Walsh thinks, but I certainly believe that women shouldn&#039;t be able to vote. They have observably made their lives worse, and thrown away their actual rights (and everyone else&#039;s), in favor of their &quot;right&quot; (actually just a privilege) to vote.&quot;

Joking aside - an opening is all some people need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving “You’re right. Up until they got the vote, our women were blameless” to the taking-the-piss column&#8230; replaced with: </p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know what Walsh thinks, but I certainly believe that women shouldn&#8217;t be able to vote. They have observably made their lives worse, and thrown away their actual rights (and everyone else&#8217;s), in favor of their &#8220;right&#8221; (actually just a privilege) to vote.&#8221;</p>
<p>Joking aside &#8211; an opening is all some people need.</p>
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		<title>By: Hipple, Rev Paul T</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453570</link>
		<dc:creator>Hipple, Rev Paul T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been advocating this for a long, long time and am pleased to see the idea is finally getting some traction amongst my Conservative Christian colleagues. 

Also the 13th Amendment, which the framers never intended neither.
-RPTH
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been advocating this for a long, long time and am pleased to see the idea is finally getting some traction amongst my Conservative Christian colleagues. </p>
<p>Also the 13th Amendment, which the framers never intended neither.<br />
-RPTH<br />
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		<title>By: Dan Nexon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453559</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Nexon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bloix - like the Corner, you&#039;re obviously too subtle for me ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloix &#8211; like the Corner, you&#8217;re obviously too subtle for me ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453557</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 02:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Even though it wouldn’t be a joke unless, on some level, it wasn’t a joke.&quot;

You know when I said rectum, it damn near killed &#039;em, it was funny because he was in agonizing pain and had to go through a series of surgeries. Also, his ass was involved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even though it wouldn’t be a joke unless, on some level, it wasn’t a joke.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know when I said rectum, it damn near killed &#8216;em, it was funny because he was in agonizing pain and had to go through a series of surgeries. Also, his ass was involved.</p>
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		<title>By: j_30</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453553</link>
		<dc:creator>j_30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When Bobby Jindal called on Repubs to stop being the &quot;stupid party&quot; you have to wonder who he was appealing to. There&#039;s a deep-dyed strain of ignorance in Republican culture that isn&#039;t going to change any time soon. You only have to take a gander at the comment threads on red site posts connected with abortion or check out right-wing rant radio on topics that touch on women&#039;s issues. 

Walsh&#039;s proposal on the repeal of the 19th Amendment generated a few comments that would suggest no lack sympathy... 

&quot;Sounds good.&quot;

&quot;Notice how the liberal assumes that just because something is &quot;modern&quot; that it must therefore be good.&quot;

&quot;You&#039;re right. Up until they got the vote, our women were blameless.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Bobby Jindal called on Repubs to stop being the &#8220;stupid party&#8221; you have to wonder who he was appealing to. There&#8217;s a deep-dyed strain of ignorance in Republican culture that isn&#8217;t going to change any time soon. You only have to take a gander at the comment threads on red site posts connected with abortion or check out right-wing rant radio on topics that touch on women&#8217;s issues. </p>
<p>Walsh&#8217;s proposal on the repeal of the 19th Amendment generated a few comments that would suggest no lack sympathy&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;Sounds good.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Notice how the liberal assumes that just because something is &#8220;modern&#8221; that it must therefore be good.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re right. Up until they got the vote, our women were blameless.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453552</link>
		<dc:creator>sm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s like WF Buckley&#039;s &quot;joke&quot; that the problem with Mississippi was not too few black people voting, but too many white people voting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like WF Buckley&#8217;s &#8220;joke&#8221; that the problem with Mississippi was not too few black people voting, but too many white people voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bloix</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453551</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan Nexon - see comment No. 1.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Nexon &#8211; see comment No. 1.</p>
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		<title>By: lumpkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453549</link>
		<dc:creator>lumpkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Mike at 17:

Yes he does and no you don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mike at 17:</p>
<p>Yes he does and no you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: BobbyV</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453542</link>
		<dc:creator>BobbyV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 22:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Low GOP support by women? Let me guess. Could it be all those conservative politicians  believing that a woman&#039;s mind is her second favorite organ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Low GOP support by women? Let me guess. Could it be all those conservative politicians  believing that a woman&#8217;s mind is her second favorite organ?</p>
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		<title>By: MattF</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453517</link>
		<dc:creator>MattF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the point of letting women vote if they keep voting for the wrong people?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the point of letting women vote if they keep voting for the wrong people?</p>
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		<title>By: Salient</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453454</link>
		<dc:creator>Salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The post is exactly equivalent to yelling &quot;Hey fatsoes!&quot; at a group of people, then saying, &quot;what, what&#039;s your problem? I was just kidding around. Jeez, get a sense of humor.&quot;

It&#039;s only &#039;funny&#039; insofar as it unsettles people or riles them up. The fun comes from hurting the feelings of some people you don&#039;t like, provoking a response from them that contains genuine emotional content, and then mocking them for getting their own damn feelings hurt. What&#039;s their problem? Can&#039;t they see you were just joking around? Obviously you weren&#039;t being genuine, so why are they?

The pathological joy of petty tyranny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post is exactly equivalent to yelling &#8220;Hey fatsoes!&#8221; at a group of people, then saying, &#8220;what, what&#8217;s your problem? I was just kidding around. Jeez, get a sense of humor.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only &#8216;funny&#8217; insofar as it unsettles people or riles them up. The fun comes from hurting the feelings of some people you don&#8217;t like, provoking a response from them that contains genuine emotional content, and then mocking them for getting their own damn feelings hurt. What&#8217;s their problem? Can&#8217;t they see you were just joking around? Obviously you weren&#8217;t being genuine, so why are they?</p>
<p>The pathological joy of petty tyranny.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Nexon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453448</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Nexon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[16 comments in and no one has pointed out the fundamental error: repealing the 15th or 13th amendment would have prevent Obambi (or whatever the &quot;clever&quot; derision of the day is) from winning the Presidency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16 comments in and no one has pointed out the fundamental error: repealing the 15th or 13th amendment would have prevent Obambi (or whatever the &#8220;clever&#8221; derision of the day is) from winning the Presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kaib</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453437</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kaib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many people confuse them not being funny with their audience not having a sense of humor.  But I&#039;m guessing if anyone were to suggest that men not be allowed to vote, non-feminists would find that not funny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people confuse them not being funny with their audience not having a sense of humor.  But I&#8217;m guessing if anyone were to suggest that men not be allowed to vote, non-feminists would find that not funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/02/17/outreac/comment-page-1/#comment-453424</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Even though it wouldn’t be a joke unless, on some level, it wasn’t a joke.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure you understand anything about jokes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even though it wouldn’t be a joke unless, on some level, it wasn’t a joke.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure you understand anything about jokes.</p>
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