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	<title>Comments on: Edmund Burke on the Free Market</title>
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		<title>By: kharris</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/03/20/edmund-burke-on-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-459125</link>
		<dc:creator>kharris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As is often the case, debates over what &quot;true&quot; conservatism is grow out of there being no single definition. A conservative who sticks to a set of principles is a different creature than one who resists rapid change to established norms and institutions. Norms and institutions in the post-WWII industrialized west are not conservative in the first sense, but sharply altering established norms and institutions is not conservative in the second sense. That is essentially how a post like this one can end up being written. In Burke&#039;s day, it was possible for both definitions of conservatism to be embodied on a single political position. Today, it is not possible in most western democracies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As is often the case, debates over what &#8220;true&#8221; conservatism is grow out of there being no single definition. A conservative who sticks to a set of principles is a different creature than one who resists rapid change to established norms and institutions. Norms and institutions in the post-WWII industrialized west are not conservative in the first sense, but sharply altering established norms and institutions is not conservative in the second sense. That is essentially how a post like this one can end up being written. In Burke&#8217;s day, it was possible for both definitions of conservatism to be embodied on a single political position. Today, it is not possible in most western democracies.</p>
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		<title>By: Silly Wabbit</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/03/20/edmund-burke-on-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-459031</link>
		<dc:creator>Silly Wabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s more useful to think of conservatives as united by common ethic, cultural, geographic, identity and &quot;style of life&quot; bonds.  These are situated in emergent social orders and embedded in streams of action and history. Given this it&#039;s not surprising that what it means to be conservative changes so much from time to time and place to place. 

Conservative as a description of a particular world-view is only partly useful. Conservative as a description of a particular set of policy views is even less useful. From 2000-2008 self-attributed conservatives favored 1) large deficits 2) increased federal spending  3) a larger welfare state (at least for some-Medicare pt. D) 4) roll-backs of civil liberties 5) drone strikes 6) etc. etc.. By the time the last network called the 2008 election results, what it meant to be a conservative had changed completely and conservatives, with some exceptions,  believed almost the opposite of their previous beliefs. 

This wasn&#039;t a gradual change representing a multi-year political alignment, it happened nearly instantaneously. We should stop pretending that being &quot;conservative&quot; refers to a set of personallly-held beliefs about policy. Instead, we should conceptualize &quot;conservative&quot; as a self-attributed term of individuals held together by social bonds that extend across ethnic, cultural, geographic and style of life bonds. Its more about identity for both groups and individuals than it is any coherent ideas about policy or the role of government. 

I&#039;m not sure if the same could be said for the term &quot;liberal&quot;. Maybe similar observations could be drawn, but my sense is that &quot;liberal&quot; as a unifying identity for a body of people is not nearly as salient as &quot;conservative&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s more useful to think of conservatives as united by common ethic, cultural, geographic, identity and &#8220;style of life&#8221; bonds.  These are situated in emergent social orders and embedded in streams of action and history. Given this it&#8217;s not surprising that what it means to be conservative changes so much from time to time and place to place. </p>
<p>Conservative as a description of a particular world-view is only partly useful. Conservative as a description of a particular set of policy views is even less useful. From 2000-2008 self-attributed conservatives favored 1) large deficits 2) increased federal spending  3) a larger welfare state (at least for some-Medicare pt. D) 4) roll-backs of civil liberties 5) drone strikes 6) etc. etc.. By the time the last network called the 2008 election results, what it meant to be a conservative had changed completely and conservatives, with some exceptions,  believed almost the opposite of their previous beliefs. </p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t a gradual change representing a multi-year political alignment, it happened nearly instantaneously. We should stop pretending that being &#8220;conservative&#8221; refers to a set of personallly-held beliefs about policy. Instead, we should conceptualize &#8220;conservative&#8221; as a self-attributed term of individuals held together by social bonds that extend across ethnic, cultural, geographic and style of life bonds. Its more about identity for both groups and individuals than it is any coherent ideas about policy or the role of government. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the same could be said for the term &#8220;liberal&#8221;. Maybe similar observations could be drawn, but my sense is that &#8220;liberal&#8221; as a unifying identity for a body of people is not nearly as salient as &#8220;conservative&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@31 Teach people to read the Bible for themselves and next thing you know they become liberal parliamentarians and from there it is a slippery slope to Bolshevism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@31 Teach people to read the Bible for themselves and next thing you know they become liberal parliamentarians and from there it is a slippery slope to Bolshevism.</p>
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		<title>By: Squirrel Nutkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/03/20/edmund-burke-on-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-458996</link>
		<dc:creator>Squirrel Nutkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This problem is clearly too taxing, perhaps you should make like the economists: put the problem to one side and focus on a simpler theoretical model. So, about these True Scotsmen ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This problem is clearly too taxing, perhaps you should make like the economists: put the problem to one side and focus on a simpler theoretical model. So, about these True Scotsmen &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: reason</title>
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		<dc:creator>reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jacob McM
&quot; Historically, it is by way of Democracy and Liberalism that Individualism leads to Bolshevism. &quot;

It is remarkable how often history is ahistorically invoked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob McM<br />
&#8221; Historically, it is by way of Democracy and Liberalism that Individualism leads to Bolshevism. &#8220;</p>
<p>It is remarkable how often history is ahistorically invoked.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob McM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob McM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A consistently reactionary position against modernity does seem to entail the rejection of both political and economic liberalism, and this has not been lost on certain factions  throughout the years. Again I&#039;ll quote that useful Polanyi essay:

&lt;i&gt; In spite of Hegel, Spann contends, Marx remained thoroughly individualist. In his theory of the State he is individualistic to the point of anarchist Utopianism. &quot;That in Marxism the &#039;State dies off&#039; is the outcome of its inherent Individualism which regards society as being, essentially, lack of domination of human beings by human beings, a &#039;free association&#039; of individuals.&quot; The Socialist ideal is definitely the &quot;Statefree&quot; society. Historically, it is by way of Democracy and Liberalism that Individualism leads to Bolshevism. The &quot;barbaric, brutal, and bloody&quot; rule of Liberal Capitalism, as Spann himself terms it, prepares the way for a Socialist organisation of economic life, a transition for which representative Democracy supplies the political machinery. Once we allow the universalist principle of medieval society to be finally destroyed by the individualistic virus, no other outcome is possible.&lt;/i&gt;

But within the party system, the mainstream left and right both rely heavily on the funding and support of their most powerful constituencies and cannot afford to offend them too greatly. In a society where bourgeois industrialists dominate the ruling class, a mainstream right-wing party is not going to have much choice but to pay lip service to their sustaining ideology, which is economic liberalism. This doesn&#039;t mean that the more anti-market factions are insincere, but the nature of the beast prevents them from having much influence under normal circumstances.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A consistently reactionary position against modernity does seem to entail the rejection of both political and economic liberalism, and this has not been lost on certain factions  throughout the years. Again I&#8217;ll quote that useful Polanyi essay:</p>
<p><i> In spite of Hegel, Spann contends, Marx remained thoroughly individualist. In his theory of the State he is individualistic to the point of anarchist Utopianism. &#8220;That in Marxism the &#8216;State dies off&#8217; is the outcome of its inherent Individualism which regards society as being, essentially, lack of domination of human beings by human beings, a &#8216;free association&#8217; of individuals.&#8221; The Socialist ideal is definitely the &#8220;Statefree&#8221; society. Historically, it is by way of Democracy and Liberalism that Individualism leads to Bolshevism. The &#8220;barbaric, brutal, and bloody&#8221; rule of Liberal Capitalism, as Spann himself terms it, prepares the way for a Socialist organisation of economic life, a transition for which representative Democracy supplies the political machinery. Once we allow the universalist principle of medieval society to be finally destroyed by the individualistic virus, no other outcome is possible.</i></p>
<p>But within the party system, the mainstream left and right both rely heavily on the funding and support of their most powerful constituencies and cannot afford to offend them too greatly. In a society where bourgeois industrialists dominate the ruling class, a mainstream right-wing party is not going to have much choice but to pay lip service to their sustaining ideology, which is economic liberalism. This doesn&#8217;t mean that the more anti-market factions are insincere, but the nature of the beast prevents them from having much influence under normal circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Collin Street</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/03/20/edmund-burke-on-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-458931</link>
		<dc:creator>Collin Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@22: Generally, though, the tensions between the market-conservatives and the social-conservatives are found in times and places where the making of cash money through trade was a bit, you know, bourgeois. So you get, say, sumptuary laws, to keep those upstart merchant bankers and venture capitalists in their place. 

[or, conservatives are always socially conservative, it&#039;s just that sometimes the society they&#039;re conserving is based on market practices and sometimes it isn&#039;t.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22: Generally, though, the tensions between the market-conservatives and the social-conservatives are found in times and places where the making of cash money through trade was a bit, you know, bourgeois. So you get, say, sumptuary laws, to keep those upstart merchant bankers and venture capitalists in their place. </p>
<p>[or, conservatives are always socially conservative, it's just that sometimes the society they're conserving is based on market practices and sometimes it isn't.]</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
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		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You people just don&#039;t get it: the devious conservative strategy was to turn unruly leftists into lukewarm, government-supporting centrists - and they seemed to have succeeded at least as far as the US is concerned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people just don&#8217;t get it: the devious conservative strategy was to turn unruly leftists into lukewarm, government-supporting centrists &#8211; and they seemed to have succeeded at least as far as the US is concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wilder</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2013/03/20/edmund-burke-on-the-free-market/comment-page-1/#comment-458924</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marc @ 22: &lt;i&gt;There is clearly a tension between social conservatism and market conservatism. &lt;/i&gt;

One interpretation of this tension is that it is the natural dynamic that arises in a democratic coalition of a political leadership oriented to dominance (i.e. the market conservatives, in your terms) with those authoritarian followers, who are easily demagogued and who model conventional morality (i.e. the social conservatives).

This alliance, if you can call it that, is a response to a need to mobilize numbers approaching half the population.  So, the conservative core, who want to dominate for their own gain, have to modify their doctrines and apologia to attract the loyalty of other, more numerous groups, and the easiest ones to appeal to, are usually the easily demagogued authoritarian followers. Mobilizing the authoritarian followers entails various kinds of appeals, which will be historically circumstantial.

It seems to me that the desire for social dominance is the constant core of conservative ideologies; it basically amounts to the desire to establish an hereditary aristocracy.  The demagoguery, traditionalism and conventional morality, employed to bring along as supporters, people, whose political psychology inclines them to be authoritarian followers, vary with historical and cultural context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc @ 22: <i>There is clearly a tension between social conservatism and market conservatism. </i></p>
<p>One interpretation of this tension is that it is the natural dynamic that arises in a democratic coalition of a political leadership oriented to dominance (i.e. the market conservatives, in your terms) with those authoritarian followers, who are easily demagogued and who model conventional morality (i.e. the social conservatives).</p>
<p>This alliance, if you can call it that, is a response to a need to mobilize numbers approaching half the population.  So, the conservative core, who want to dominate for their own gain, have to modify their doctrines and apologia to attract the loyalty of other, more numerous groups, and the easiest ones to appeal to, are usually the easily demagogued authoritarian followers. Mobilizing the authoritarian followers entails various kinds of appeals, which will be historically circumstantial.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the desire for social dominance is the constant core of conservative ideologies; it basically amounts to the desire to establish an hereditary aristocracy.  The demagoguery, traditionalism and conventional morality, employed to bring along as supporters, people, whose political psychology inclines them to be authoritarian followers, vary with historical and cultural context.</p>
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		<title>By: Metatone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metatone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first problem (which we&#039;re all aware of) is to treat any current political party as the embodiment of a philosophy. In fact they are loose coalitions of warring tribes, and the philosophy, such as it is, is just an overarching mythos. Important, but not definitive.

Of course, we make this mistake because as a society we&#039;re encouraged to do so, a coherent philosophy lends authority to a political party - and also can usefully obscure the influence of sectional interests.

The second problem is to accept the notion that there is anything much coherent in the philosophy of &quot;conservatism&quot; over the waves of history. This is unlikely because each era was trying to conserve something different... Many conservative voters in the US would like to return to the 1950s. Many conservative donors in the US would actually rather return to the 1850s. (Sectional interests again.) Pretending this grab bag makes sense isn&#039;t necessarily useful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first problem (which we&#8217;re all aware of) is to treat any current political party as the embodiment of a philosophy. In fact they are loose coalitions of warring tribes, and the philosophy, such as it is, is just an overarching mythos. Important, but not definitive.</p>
<p>Of course, we make this mistake because as a society we&#8217;re encouraged to do so, a coherent philosophy lends authority to a political party &#8211; and also can usefully obscure the influence of sectional interests.</p>
<p>The second problem is to accept the notion that there is anything much coherent in the philosophy of &#8220;conservatism&#8221; over the waves of history. This is unlikely because each era was trying to conserve something different&#8230; Many conservative voters in the US would like to return to the 1950s. Many conservative donors in the US would actually rather return to the 1850s. (Sectional interests again.) Pretending this grab bag makes sense isn&#8217;t necessarily useful.</p>
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		<title>By: mclaren</title>
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		<dc:creator>mclaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By far the most interesting failure of contemporary conservatism is its total inability to rein in abusive overregulation and buureactization that everyone agrees is completely over the top.

Example: no one, to my knowledge, defends the FDA&#039;s rabbit inspectors -- those guy who run around slapping fines on magicians who use live rabbits in their performances. Yet the Democrats have been as unable as the Republican to end this kind of craziness.

Another example: the TSA&#039;s bureaucratic rules are so crazy and so universally recognized as pointless and self-destructive (pat-downs of 6-year-olds, pointless bans on liquids in amounts over 6 oz., ad infinitum) that both Democrats and Republicans agree the TSA&#039;s regulations are completely counterproductive and time-wasting. Yet neither party can seem to shut down these crazy regulations. 

In fact, conservatives today seem to love crazy regulations and byzantine bureaucracies -- as long as they&#039;re military or national-security based. The Pentagon has never passed an audit, although it&#039;s required to by law. Oddly, this seems not to bother contemporary conservatives. Waste and crazy baroque regulations are wonderful...as long as they take place on the military/national security side of the fence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By far the most interesting failure of contemporary conservatism is its total inability to rein in abusive overregulation and buureactization that everyone agrees is completely over the top.</p>
<p>Example: no one, to my knowledge, defends the FDA&#8217;s rabbit inspectors &#8212; those guy who run around slapping fines on magicians who use live rabbits in their performances. Yet the Democrats have been as unable as the Republican to end this kind of craziness.</p>
<p>Another example: the TSA&#8217;s bureaucratic rules are so crazy and so universally recognized as pointless and self-destructive (pat-downs of 6-year-olds, pointless bans on liquids in amounts over 6 oz., ad infinitum) that both Democrats and Republicans agree the TSA&#8217;s regulations are completely counterproductive and time-wasting. Yet neither party can seem to shut down these crazy regulations. </p>
<p>In fact, conservatives today seem to love crazy regulations and byzantine bureaucracies &#8212; as long as they&#8217;re military or national-security based. The Pentagon has never passed an audit, although it&#8217;s required to by law. Oddly, this seems not to bother contemporary conservatives. Waste and crazy baroque regulations are wonderful&#8230;as long as they take place on the military/national security side of the fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Is there a place for “reduced government” in the sense of more efficient regulation, less “red tape,” and clearer or standards without immediately leaping to the leftist conclusion that “all conservatives” want to, say, do away with all workplaces safety laws and pay subsistence wages with no government interference or must regulation constantly expand with ever greater complexity to address all of the possible ways people/companies try to circumvent it?&lt;/i&gt;

I give up - what&#039;s the answer?

Also, what&#039;s the question?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is there a place for “reduced government” in the sense of more efficient regulation, less “red tape,” and clearer or standards without immediately leaping to the leftist conclusion that “all conservatives” want to, say, do away with all workplaces safety laws and pay subsistence wages with no government interference or must regulation constantly expand with ever greater complexity to address all of the possible ways people/companies try to circumvent it?</i></p>
<p>I give up &#8211; what&#8217;s the answer?</p>
<p>Also, what&#8217;s the question?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glen Tomkins @ 12

French infrastructure was not particularly bad.  French roads were maintained by &lt;i&gt;corvée&lt;/i&gt;, a system of unfree, unpaid labor imposed on those of lower social status.  It was oppressive and deeply resented, and transmuting this feudal obligation into a money tax was frequently among the objects of reform, but, if the criteria is the quality of road maintenance, it seems to have worked.  English travellers to the Île-de-France in the years leading up to the Revolution remarked on the good condition of roads, compared to England.  The French revived &lt;i&gt;corvée&lt;/i&gt; a couple of times in the course of the 19th century; it didn&#039;t finally go down for good and all, I believe, until the advent of the Third Republic.

The American Revolution was won because the French Navy was superior at the time to the British Navy in every respect.  When the French wanted to spend the money, they had no trouble achieving results, even through the decrepit apparatus of the French state, which was not, entirely, decrepit.  The bureaucracy of Intendants, ruling their généralités, providing police and general services, under the supervision of the Comptroller, were understaffed, but vigorous.

The acute problem areas were French agriculture and French money and finance. French agriculture lagged visibly behind the British, where an agricultural revolution in the 18th century had fed unprecedented population growth.  The poor harvests of the 1780s put the country on the verge of famine, and no one among the philosophes and physiocrats had any idea what to do.  France did not have a central bank or a banking system or fiat money, or a competent fiscal regime to collect taxes.  The judicial system was a mess, with a huge number of courts administering a complex set of traditional customs and privileges.  (Ironically, the Revolution would be carried out by lawyers, of which France had huge numbers).  Real property transactions were burdened by ancient feudal dues and obligations.  Paris bankers were foreigners, Swiss or Dutch.  Much of tax collection was privatized by a consortium, operating according to obnoxious methods.  Financial expediences magnified the burden of debt service, but the generally poor quality of French banking and finance contributed the general dysfunction of the economy.

Britain, by contrast, had the Bank of England.  The superior British banking and financial system did more than secure the state a much lower burden of debt service and eliminated the threat of public fiscal insolvency.  It also motivated effective organization of British agriculture and the first canal boom and the beginnings of the industrial revolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen Tomkins @ 12</p>
<p>French infrastructure was not particularly bad.  French roads were maintained by <i>corvée</i>, a system of unfree, unpaid labor imposed on those of lower social status.  It was oppressive and deeply resented, and transmuting this feudal obligation into a money tax was frequently among the objects of reform, but, if the criteria is the quality of road maintenance, it seems to have worked.  English travellers to the Île-de-France in the years leading up to the Revolution remarked on the good condition of roads, compared to England.  The French revived <i>corvée</i> a couple of times in the course of the 19th century; it didn&#8217;t finally go down for good and all, I believe, until the advent of the Third Republic.</p>
<p>The American Revolution was won because the French Navy was superior at the time to the British Navy in every respect.  When the French wanted to spend the money, they had no trouble achieving results, even through the decrepit apparatus of the French state, which was not, entirely, decrepit.  The bureaucracy of Intendants, ruling their généralités, providing police and general services, under the supervision of the Comptroller, were understaffed, but vigorous.</p>
<p>The acute problem areas were French agriculture and French money and finance. French agriculture lagged visibly behind the British, where an agricultural revolution in the 18th century had fed unprecedented population growth.  The poor harvests of the 1780s put the country on the verge of famine, and no one among the philosophes and physiocrats had any idea what to do.  France did not have a central bank or a banking system or fiat money, or a competent fiscal regime to collect taxes.  The judicial system was a mess, with a huge number of courts administering a complex set of traditional customs and privileges.  (Ironically, the Revolution would be carried out by lawyers, of which France had huge numbers).  Real property transactions were burdened by ancient feudal dues and obligations.  Paris bankers were foreigners, Swiss or Dutch.  Much of tax collection was privatized by a consortium, operating according to obnoxious methods.  Financial expediences magnified the burden of debt service, but the generally poor quality of French banking and finance contributed the general dysfunction of the economy.</p>
<p>Britain, by contrast, had the Bank of England.  The superior British banking and financial system did more than secure the state a much lower burden of debt service and eliminated the threat of public fiscal insolvency.  It also motivated effective organization of British agriculture and the first canal boom and the beginnings of the industrial revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is clearly a tension between social conservatism and market conservatism.  Think of blue laws on Sunday, or contraception.   The interests of market forces don&#039;t need to align with the interests of religious devotees.  We even see this in the current extended Republican tantrum in the US - the rejection of government programs that would profit wealthy interests because they are ideologically unacceptable.  The current Republican turmoil appears to be the alarm that the market fundamentalists are losing control of the beast.

It is a nice catch that worship of the market has a long history in conservatism.  It&#039;s just not the only strain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is clearly a tension between social conservatism and market conservatism.  Think of blue laws on Sunday, or contraception.   The interests of market forces don&#8217;t need to align with the interests of religious devotees.  We even see this in the current extended Republican tantrum in the US &#8211; the rejection of government programs that would profit wealthy interests because they are ideologically unacceptable.  The current Republican turmoil appears to be the alarm that the market fundamentalists are losing control of the beast.</p>
<p>It is a nice catch that worship of the market has a long history in conservatism.  It&#8217;s just not the only strain.</p>
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		<title>By: Trader Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trader Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce @18
While there are no doubt some conservatives who meet your definition of conservative (and maybe these are the &#039;true&#039; conservatives CR refers to), its been my experience that a lot of people who answer to the description of &quot;conservative&quot;, and embrace the notions of smaller government and less regulation refered to in the OP are at least a bit more subtle if not in fact a bit more gentle than your definition.

Indeed more than a few self styled liberals become downright &quot;conservative&quot; by your definition when its suggested that their particular slant on an economic, social or political topic may not be quite as good for everyone as they might imagine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce @18<br />
While there are no doubt some conservatives who meet your definition of conservative (and maybe these are the &#8216;true&#8217; conservatives CR refers to), its been my experience that a lot of people who answer to the description of &#8220;conservative&#8221;, and embrace the notions of smaller government and less regulation refered to in the OP are at least a bit more subtle if not in fact a bit more gentle than your definition.</p>
<p>Indeed more than a few self styled liberals become downright &#8220;conservative&#8221; by your definition when its suggested that their particular slant on an economic, social or political topic may not be quite as good for everyone as they might imagine.</p>
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