We Have a Word For That, Pt. 1

by Belle Waring on May 31, 2016

The NYT has an interesting article on how DNA analysis is helping African-Americans
(especially in the south) discover more about the carefully erased history of their families. Most people need to know at least the name of the white families who enslaved their forebears in order to make much progress, but as more information is digitized and collated this can become easier. I ran across this article about an informal genealogy research group in Savannah when I was searching for something else. The list of references includes the ‘Joseph Frederick Waring II papers,’ MS 1275:

Contains 35 items on African-American churches (not dated); 18 items on African-American members of the Republican Party of Georgia from 1867-1869; slave bills of sale from 1856-1859; a list of slaves from 1859, leases to African-Americans from 1865-1866, and a letter from 1851 which discusses a fugitive slave riot.

There’s also the less morally disturbing ‘Antonio J. Waring Collection, MS 1287,’ which contains “The Case of the Africans,” discussing the slave trade from 1817-1820. These two references, and an earlier note from the ‘Joseph Vallence Beven papers,’ MS 71, which, “[c]ontains correspondence dating from 1787 between George Mathews, Thomas Pinckney, and General James Jackson concerning armed fugitive slaves” brought two things home to me.

One, my brother’s friend Tom Pinckney, and a ton of Macintyre’s live along the stretch of the May River within a half-mile from my house. Pretty sure there’s even a Ravenel up in there closer to town. There are zero black families along that stretch of the river. This is obviously morally wrong. However did this inequity arise? At least I don’t go around explaining how I never benefited materially from chattel slavery because my family all emigrated from Ireland 12 minutes ago and were treated exactly like black slaves, except for not being owned outright or made legally sub-human or subject to the dreaded ‘one drop of Irish blood’ test, or even the ‘are you lighter than this piece of A4 typing paper on which I spattered some watered-down sepia ink from a toothbrush’ test. That’s a pretty low bar, though. It’s not exactly “take all thou hast, and give to the poor”-type stuff. More like, “I’m not an aggressive dickweasel! Yay me! Please give me some benne brittle!” Mmmm, tastes like exploitation of West Africa.

Two, the history of slavery in America is always taught as if there was little to no resistance from slaves. I have wondered about that plenty, thinking, when S.C. was 80% black, how in God’s name did white people keep from getting straight murdered all the time? I mean, “by using inhumanly savage violent repression,” obviously, but even so I thought there would be more “whoops, the plantation house caught on fire and nobody could get out mumble because people were standing outside in a circle armed with hoes and axes mumble.” But I’m starting to think that the slavers’ nightmare happened much more than I think, but the news of it was repressed as savagely as the small rebellions, so as to keep anybody from getting any ideas. OK, this wasn’t actually my initial point at all but it is worth considering, so I’ll just break this post up for easier commentatin’.

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Maria 05.31.16 at 6:37 am

The whole Irish slave meme is bizarre and predictably has a lot more bite in the US than in Ireland. The odd time it pops up, people are just puzzled by the comparison between indentured servitude and life long brutal slavery – if anything, comparing the two makes the former seem milder. Liam Hogan is a great burster of bubbles on it: https://twitter.com/Limerick1914

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Chris Bertram 05.31.16 at 6:45 am

@Maria and not just the Irish. When the question of commemorating the victims of the slave trade as well as or instead of prominent slave traders (such as Bristol’s Edward Colston) comes up in the UK, the same claim about indentured servitude of whites comes up, in a “why are these people complaining, our ancestors had it bad too” sort of way.

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J-D 05.31.16 at 7:00 am

‘I have wondered about that plenty, thinking, when S.C. was 80% black, how in God’s name did white people keep from getting straight murdered all the time? I mean, “by using inhumanly savage violent repression,” obviously, but even so I thought there would be more “whoops, the plantation house caught on fire and nobody could get out mumble because people were standing outside in a circle armed with hoes and axes mumble.”’

When I read this, one of the speculations that came into my mind was that slaves might have been deterred from conspiring against slave-owners by fear that the conspiracy would be betrayed from within.

Then I searched the Web for the phrase ‘resistance to slavery’, and found several websites discussing it.

Following is some of the information I found here:
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/freedom/1609-1865/essays/slaveresist.htm

‘The most spectacular, and perhaps best-known, forms of resistance were organized, armed rebellions. Between 1691 and 1865, at least nine slave revolts erupted in what would eventually become the United States. The most prominent of these occurred in New York City (1712), Stono, South Carolina (1739), New Orleans (1811), and Southampton, Virginia (Nat Turner’s 1831 rebellion). Numerous other conspiracies were thwarted before they could be fully realized, including Gabriel Prosser’s (Richmond, VA, 1800) and Denmark Vesey’s (Charleston, SC, 1822). Slaves commandeered weapons, burned and looted properties, and even killed their masters and other whites, but whites were quick to exact a brutal revenge. In the bloodiest American revolt, Nat Turner and several hundred comrades killed sixty whites. Over 100 enslaved were killed, either in the combat or as retribution for the uprising. Another thirteen slaves were hanged, along with three free blacks. If the measure of a revolt’s success was the overthrow of slavery, then none of these revolts succeeded. Ultimately, the only rebellion that succeeded in overthrowing slavery in the Americas was the Haitian Revolution. Slave rebellions in colonial America and the United States never achieved such widespread success; however, the importance of rebellion cannot be overstated. The constant specter of physical violence reminded whites that slavery would never go unchallenged; the possibility of “another Haiti” loomed large, especially in the nineteenth-century American South.’

In the middle of that paragraph are references to two of ‘numerous’ conspiracies that were thwarted. I looked them up, and, indeed, what happened in both cases was that the conspiracy was betrayed from within, which adds plausibility to my original speculation.

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JPL 05.31.16 at 7:10 am

I’ve never been to the South, but, you have benne brittle down there? Wow! I’ve never seen it here in the other part of the US. It’s a favourite and traditional confectionary treat in Sierra Leone, going back quite a long way, I’m sure. The word ‘benne’ for the sesame seed comes from Mende, a language of Sierra Leone, II’mNM.

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Abigail 05.31.16 at 8:11 am

On the issue of slave resistance and directing violence towards their masters and abusers, I’ve been enjoying (well, maybe not the right word; perhaps “consumed by”) the TV series Underground, about a group of slaves in the 1850s making a perilous journey north towards freedom. It’s got some problems of plot and tone (and in particular the subplots about white characters often feels completely beside the point) but one of the reasons I enjoy it is that it’s not afraid to be schlock, and in fact embraces that mode. This allows the story to be more than an honorable narrative of misery, but an engrossing, exciting tale of powerless people taking control of their lives (while also being very straightforward about the horrors of slavery).

Anyway, the reason I’m mentioning this is that one of the plot points near the end of the first season is that the plantation owner hangs a slave who had tried to escape, who is the son of his housekeeper and mistress (obviously not the right word here, but the show does argue that the two have a complex relationship in which the woman has some kind of power over her owner, even though – as exemplified by the murder of her son – ultimately the power lies with him), with whom he also has two younger children, though the murdered man was not, I think, his son. In the next episode, we see that the mother is still tending the house, and even taking care of the master’s newborn baby from his wife. It boggled my mind to think that anyone would believe they could trust their lives and the lives of their family to anyone they had hurt so badly, and though in the show that faith turns out to be gratifyingly misplaced, I wonder how common these attitudes were in real life.

I know that one of the narratives that white slaveowners spun to protect themselves from the reality of what they were doing was that black people don’t feel pain and sorrow the way white people do. But nevertheless, was it still possible for them to destroy families and brutalize their slaves, and not fear for their lives in retribution? Or was it, as Belle writes, that that fear was sometimes validated, but no one talked about it?

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Ronan(rf) 05.31.16 at 8:33 am

I thought the article was interesting as well, I’d like to try get back.later cause I’ve a load of questions on the topic, but just to throw my tuppence worth on a few things

(1) I’ve been reading Walter Johnson’s “river of dark dreams” which is pretty good, including on the topic of slave rebellions and the control slaveowners exerted. It opens with a slave rebellion which, when it was put down, ended with the rebels being publicly executed and their heads cut off and displayed in public spots to discourage further rebellion.

(2) Its good to see “the irish became white” thesis finally get some pushback, as I’ve often been called a moron and dilettante for noting that they were always seen as white, just a subset of the white race (not non white. Or more specifically not black).

(3) I’ll have to take Liam hogans word on the prevelance of irish slaves meme, although his examples tend to be from white nationalists which doesn’t strike me as particularly noteworthy. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone in ireland ever claim the irish were *chattel slaves*, and I have known quite a few nationalist and racists. (This isn’t meant to be a bit of snark at you maria, I’m just using it to jump.off as I think Hogan overdoes it)
Although it’s good that he’s highlighting (a) the role of the irish in slavetrading and shareholding (Donald akenson “what if the irish ruled the world” is interesting on this on the irish in Montserrat), and (b) the financial profits that accumulated to irish institutions from slavery

(Sorry, I won’t come back to those topics in further comments , but I think they’re at least half relevant )

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Brett Dunbar 05.31.16 at 8:55 am

Haiti wasn’t the only successful slave revolt in the Americas, the Jamaican Maroons led by Queen Nanny were recognized as effectively independent around Nanny Town in the Blue Mountains in the early 18th century following successful armed resistance.

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Z 05.31.16 at 9:30 am

Shorter version: violence works.

I mean, “by using inhumanly savage violent repression,” obviously

For the case I am familiar with (in the Caribbean) the repression was indeed so amazingly and grotesquely violent and inhuman that most slaves thought they had it good keeping their heads down and merely working to death in the plantations. After all, to take an extreme case, many victims of the Bullet Holocaust knowingly dug their own grave, and who could blame them for thinking that the first one to do it might be the only one they let go?

But nevertheless, was it still possible for them to destroy families and brutalize their slaves, and not fear for their lives in retribution?

I think it is easy to underestimate how quickly the experience of constant brutalization and of having one’s family destroyed stifles all energy to rebel, so I don’t think slave owners feared their own slave so much, and for good reasons. But that they lived in almost maddening constant fear seems probable to me: at the very least, such an emotion or a comparable projection are psychologically required to keep justifying inflicting a monstrous injustice on others.

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Belle Waring 05.31.16 at 9:47 am

4: benne brittle! Also, benne biscuits (these are like crackers more than like regular biscuits, with cheese, cayenne and black pepper in them). I have had benne brittle in Eleuthera also.

8: I think there were graduating shades of violence with the Caribbean the worst and then probably S.C. next during earlier days. Closer to the time of the Civil War there were more white people in S.C. and marginally less violence maybe? But S.C. was the last state to have the importation of “fresh” slaves (from Africa and so not given any rebellious notions) and went to great lengths to then split these people up so no one could talk to one another. The cultivation of rice and indigo was incredibly labor-intensive while maybe not being quite as awful as cutting cane. Also, I think people do underestimate how effective brutality is.

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Henry Farrell 05.31.16 at 9:52 am

There is one highly prominent Irish politician who’s been retailing the Irish slavery myth to interested consumers in the Auld Sod. I do think that there’s decent evidence that the Irish were often not regarded as white (e.g. this and this, both from Harpers). However, the gap between ‘not regarded as fully white’ and ‘subjected to oppression even faintly comparable to what African-Americans went through’ yawns both very wide and very deep.

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ZM 05.31.16 at 11:11 am

I think I have commented about this before, but I started reading a history book called Caledonia Australis by Don Watson, which is the story of the settlement of a part of Gippsland in Victoria by Scottish migrants. I read the first part which was about the displacement of the Highland Scots, and then I started reading the next bit about the Scottish settlement in Australia and the violent displacement of Indigenous Australians, including massacres.

Then I realised that the area the book is about is part of Victoria where my Scottish grandfather’s parents had a family farm.

I think up until then I had never really thought of the role of my own ancestors in the violence towards and killing and displacement of Indigenous Australians.

I had read about the history, but never really thought about my own ancestors. It was really confrontational reading, and I ended up putting the book away to read another time. I still haven’t finished it. I remember reading it on the train and a friend’s mother was sitting near me and asked what the book I was reading was about, and I mumbled something about it being about the incongruity of things.

There has been quite a lot of history writing in Australia which has tried to restore to history how Indigenous people fought back against white settlers, such as The Frontier Wars. Before this there was a narrative of Indigenous people “dying out”, or not fighting against white settlement.

From a history website about resistance to slavery:

“As an African American female, I do not recall being taught the myriad day-to-day attempts of resistance that African and African American slaves carried out while enslaved. I was, however, taught that the only forms of resistance the African and African American slaves displayed were running away occasionally and the ability of some slaves, who were house slaves, to learn to read and write.
….
I was under the misconception that African and African-American slaves were very docile and submissive to their oppressors.

I felt ashamed of my African ancestors because to me, they didn’t fight back enough. As a child, I wanted the topic of slavery for African slaves in the Americas to be mentioned as little as possible. Just think about this situation for a minute. I was ashamed of my heritage because of what I was being taught at school about slaves.

Many questions would cloud my mind. For example, if slaves were docile then, why were they shackled by chains? This question would follow me into my undergraduate years where I discovered the answers to such curious questions. I was determined to teach others about what I had discovered. My self-esteem increased greatly because I had learned of the great and strong people I had descended from. It is extremely important, to me, that I give my students the needed information about the resistance to enslavement of African and African -American slaves in the Americas.
….
There were different intensity levels of resistance that slaves epitomized. A common day-to-day passive rebellion of slaves was, for example, pretending to be sick in order to lessen the workload. Some slaves would make themselves vomit while complaining of stomach pains. Others would pretend to suffer from food poisoning in which they would become delirious and dizzy. Some female slaves even pretended to be pregnant in order to be assigned light work duty. Slaves often destroyed property like crops and tools. They organized work slowdowns in the fields. Slaves also used the “Sambo” stereotype to their advantage by appearing to be “stupid” to elude punishments once subtle forms of resistance were revealed to their masters. As mentioned by some historians, slave masters would often complain that slaves had little intelligence and that they could barely complete a day’s work. Slave masters also complained that slaves were incapable of comprehending or remembering orders.

Other forms of day-to-day rebellion of slaves were the refusal to bow down to slave masters and the refusal to relinquish their African culture. Although the acculturation of the African slave into the African -American slave was evident, the African heritage survived through the folklore, stories, music, and songs passed down through many generations of slaves.

It is also my desire that this curriculum unit will examine the extreme forms of slave resistance such as arson, self-mutilation, suicide, and murder of slave masters and mistresses. According to William T. Harris, Remarks Made During a Tour Through the United States of America in the Years 1817,1818, and 1819, slaves often assaulted, robbed, poisoned, and murdered whites in desperate hopes of receiving their freedom.1 There were reported cases, in newspapers, that slaves were unruly and that they killed livestock. Slaves also burned plantation buildings and damaged equipment in retaliation of the harsh treatments they were receiving.

Female slaves were often given the job of cook for their slaveholders. These slaves would sometimes poison the food that they prepared for their masters. Slaves would create concoctions from different herbs and plants and put them into the food of their masters in which resulted in death for some slave owners. These slave cooks would grind up glass in food and they would prepare meals with other harmful items in them.2

In order not to work for their masters, slaves would practice self-mutilation. They would chop off their fingers, hands, toes, feet, arms or legs. Also, some slaves committed suicide by jumping out of windows, taking poison, drowning themselves, and partaking in hunger strikes.

During the time that slavery existed in the Americas, groups of slaves would join together to plan escapes. When slaves lived near swamps, impenetrable forests, or near frontier areas, they often banded together in such mass efforts. These rebel slaves were called maroons. Throughout the Americas, African slaves would run away and hide out in swamps, mountains, and or the deep forest for long periods of time ranging from days to years. These maroon societies would manage to elude capture long enough to establish communities apart from the slave plantations. The maroons would often plan attacks on plantations. At these attacks, the maroons would burn crops, steal livestock and tools, murder slavemasters, and invite other slaves to join their communities. “A nest of runaway negroes was discovered last week in the fork of the Alabama and Tombecke Rivers…they had two cabins and were about to build a fort.””

http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1998/1/98.01.03.x.html

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root_e 05.31.16 at 1:27 pm

Judge Ruffin’s famous opinion – overturning a cruelty/battery conviction on a white man who shot a young woman and explaining why terror is necessary.

With slavery it is far otherwise. The end is the profit of the master, his security and the public safety; the subject, one doomed in his own person, and his posterity, to live without knowledge, and without the capacity to make any thing his own, and to toil that another may reap the fruits. What moral considerations shall be addressed to such a being, to convince him what, it is impossible but that the most stupid must feel and know can never be true–that he is thus to labour upon a principle of natural duty, or for the sake of his own personal happiness, such services can only be expected from one who has no will of his own; who surrenders his will in implicit obedience to that of another. Such obedience is the consequence only of uncontrolled authority over the body. There is nothing else which can operate to produce the effect. The power of the master must be absolute, to render the submission of the slave perfect

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Pub Editor 05.31.16 at 2:57 pm

It seems to me that the antebellum white South Carolinians lived much like the ancient Spartans, in constant fear of slave rebellion.

And I believe SC established the Citadel for the purpose of training officers for the state militia…for the purpose of putting down slave revolts. VMI has a similar origin story, iirc.

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Fiddlin Bill 05.31.16 at 4:41 pm

Today is the anniversary of the Tulsa massacre, by the way. See
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2016/05/tulsa
which includes a contemporary account by the father of John Hope Franklin. America’s insane gun fetishists are driven by the mostly unadmitted fear of black reprisal. The fetishists are even willing to lose hundreds of their own children by accident every year to maintain the illusion that they can protect themselves from moral justice.

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Neville Morley 05.31.16 at 6:50 pm

Pub Editor’s mention of Sparta reminds me of the now aged but still very good article by Paul Cartledge, ‘Rebels and Sambos’, that drew on comparative evidence (Haiti, southern USA) to try explain the remarkable absence of slave revolts in classical antiquity. Sparta was an exceptional case, since the Messenians were a single conquered people, retaining some degree of collective identity, traditions etc.; hence, permanent threat. Most ancient slaves, like most modern ones, came from variety of ethnic and linguistic backgrounds, forced to communicate in language of owners, need to make imaginative leap to conceive of themselves in terms of new identity of ‘slave’ to find common ground with other slaves – and in face of consistent violence, control, surveillance etc.

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RNB 05.31.16 at 7:13 pm

On black resistance there is a really controversial chapter in DuBois’ Black Reconstruction on the dictatorship of the proletariat established in South Carolina during the Reconstruction period. I haven’t read it in two decades, and remember that some of have found it quite questionable as history. But it may be interesting to consider it in the present context.

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Ronan(rf) 05.31.16 at 7:17 pm

Henry, I wouldn’t deny they were at times racialised and subjected to racism, although I think they were primarily oppressed for being culturally peculiar, poor, and Catholic. I just don’t believe(at least by my reading of some recent trends in the research, and this includes all European immigrant groups) that they were seen as not white. They were always white, just a lower order within the white race. My impression of a lot of the “becoming white” lit is that it is using contemporary frames* to cram people into racial categories that make little sense in their historical context (ie this has been put forward by people like Barbara fields, Kevin kenny, Nell painter, Thomas A. Guglielmo )

*then again I think the way we talk about race today is nonsensical, so I’m probably biased to this position.

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RNB 05.31.16 at 7:58 pm

@16 Sambos? That was in the title? How old is that piece? How was the term used? Elkins?

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RNB 05.31.16 at 8:05 pm

@18 We’re probably going to spin our wheels until we understand what we mean by ‘racism’. It seems that it is used more broadly here than a pseudo-scientific, pseudo-naturalistic doctrine about inheritable differences in moral temperament and cognitive ability between groups conceived of as deeply different as a result of evolutionary and genetic history. Racism can mean simply the practice of “thingifying” others, treating them as mere means or instruments or obstacles. It can mean certain kinds of revulsion. It can imply the existence of degraded groups whose belonging to a social order is not seen as necessary (unlike for example Untouchables who are necessary for the ritual purity of Brahmins) but who are rather whose belonging is contingent and can be withdrawn, i.e. they live under permanent threat of expulsion such as Jews and Moors being expelled from Spain or Africans being sent back to Africa.

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casssander 05.31.16 at 8:08 pm

>The NYT has an interesting article on how DNA analysis is helping African-Americans
(especially in the south) discover more about the carefully erased history of their families.

Carefully erased by whom, exactly? Seems like writing down lots of stuff about your slaves is the exact opposite of careful erasing to me.

>There are zero black families along that stretch of the river. This is obviously morally wrong.

Since when is it a great moral evil that some people don’t live on a particular stretch of river?

> At least I don’t go around explaining how I never benefited materially from chattel slavery because my family all emigrated from Ireland 12 minutes ago

Presumably, that’s because they didn’t immigrate here 12 minutes ago. But I’m sure 12 minutes ago somewhere, some white immigrant somewhere just got his citizenship. Would you say he benefited materially from chattel slavery? Because I wouldn’t.

>and were treated exactly like black slaves, except for not being owned outright or made legally sub-human

except, you know, the ones that were. Granted they were more a 17th than 18th century phenomenon and never as numerous, but since when are we in the business of marginalizing minority experiences?

>subject to the dreaded ‘one drop of Irish blood’ test, or even the ‘are you lighter than this piece of A4 typing paper on which I spattered some watered-down sepia ink from a toothbrush’ test.

No, just the “do you look catholic” or the “do you have a funny sounding last name” test.

That’s a pretty low bar, though. It’s not exactly “take all thou hast, and give to the poor”-type stuff. More like, “I’m not an aggressive dickweasel! Yay me! Please give me some benne brittle!” Mmmm, tastes like exploitation of West Africa.

>Two, the history of slavery in America is always taught as if there was little to no resistance from slaves. I have wondered about that plenty, thinking, when S.C. was 80% black, how in God’s name did white people keep from getting straight murdered all the time? I mean, “by using inhumanly savage violent repression,”

Gee, it’s almost like, after literally thousands of years of people owning other people in virtually every society in history, fairly effective techniques were worked out to prevent slave uprisings. One might as well ask why more serfs didn’t burn down more castles, or more helots murder more spartans in their sleep.

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casssander 05.31.16 at 8:09 pm

@RNB

> they live under permanent threat of expulsion such as Jews and Moors being expelled from Spain or Africans being sent back to Africa.

What about whites in South Africa or, formerly, Rhodesia?

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Neville Morley 05.31.16 at 8:13 pm

@RNB #19: yes, and 1985.

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RNB 05.31.16 at 10:38 pm

I was referring to subordinate and ghettoized or exploited groups whose membership or belonging is treated as contingent. This differs from other subordinate groups who are seen to have a necessary place in the social order. This also may not get at what is distinctive about racism, though Lawrence Hirschfeld has suggested that it does. The issue of land expropriation for redistribution to war veterans, however demagogic, should not be confused with expulsion, at any rate. Idi Amin’s treatment of those with Asian ancestry was from what I understand an expulsion and may have been racist .

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Matt McKeon 05.31.16 at 11:33 pm

Military resistance by the enslaved people in North America was futile. The slaves had no means of communication over distance, or to coordinate actions. They had no sanctuaries to retreat to, no way to gather supplies. They had no way to acquire arms or stockpile ammunition. They had no foreign allies. In most places in North America the enslaved were outnumbered by whites by a good margin. The white population was armed, it was backed by state militia and federal troops. The enslaved resisted, but by necessity evading and outwitting their owners.

The destruction of slave society took four years of unrelenting effort by the United States Army and Navy, one of the largest and best armed and equipped military forces(during the Civil War) in the world, in the most costly conflict America ever had. The odds against a successful revolt by outnumbered, unarmed and scattered groups of slaves were insurmountable. Armed resistance to slavery, by the formerly enslaved, took the form of joining the army during the Civil War.

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Kaleberg 06.01.16 at 3:44 am

Slave owners often owned large numbers of slaves and hired them out in gangs for work on various projects. The problem was that slaves were capital assets, so projects like the canal work during the Mississippi Bubble and later were just too deadly to risk one’s slaves on. The work was generally done by Irish immigrants who only had themselves as capital. They died in droves. This might account for the stories about Irish slaves. I gather that life in British occupied Ireland was pretty crappy.

There were lots of slave rebellions, but mainly in areas where there might be some place to flee to. Once the rebellion started, the rebels had to move before the slave owners rallied enough forces to put the rebellion down. If you were in the tidelands, it was plantations for miles and miles. If you were in a border area, you might flee to the hills, to Florida, to the swamps or to a free state. During the war of 1812, the British explicitly recruited slaves as soldiers for their army, and they got a lot of takers. The British knew a good fifth column when they saw one.

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Dan Tompkins 06.01.16 at 12:18 pm

Excellent! Worth probing: the jump from 1859 “lists of slaves” to 1865 leases to former slaves. Many, including David Brion Davis, say the south really won the Civil War, and land tenure remained an issue in that, well, until today. Big fights in the late 30’s. (Cf. Heinrich Mueller on the Federal Republic of Germany as victor in WWII)

Dan Tompkins

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Nathanael 06.01.16 at 1:27 pm

If you look through history, about 10% of the population can often oppress the other 90% if the 10% is organized along military lines as a systematic military caste to oppress the 90%. (Less than 10% and it can’t be maintained — Haiti had way less than 10% trying to rule the island.)

This is what was done in the American South. It was martial law *all the time*, and all the white Southern males were expected to participate: drafted if necessary — to kill, torture, or beat any escaped or rebellious slaves. The white population was heavily armed and trained.

“It seems to me that the antebellum white South Carolinians lived much like the ancient Spartans, in constant fear of slave rebellion.”
Precisely. (The Spartan elite also was a bit more than 10% of the population.)

Most of the states in the US with slavery had a *much smaller* percentage of enslaved people, which makes it much, much easier to oppress them. It is actually very hard to keep 80% of the population in slavery, and South Carolina had to become a state under constant and active martial law with a huge military caste in order to maintain it. It is not so hard to keep 20% of the population in slavery.

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doug k 06.01.16 at 5:11 pm

“This is what was done in the American South. It was martial law *all the time*, and all the white Southern males were expected to participate: drafted if necessary — to kill, torture, or beat any escaped or rebellious slaves. The white population was heavily armed and trained.”
This is essentially what was done in South Africa in the apartheid years – constant ‘state of emergency’, detention without trial, conscription of all white males for one to two years followed by two months every two years for the next twelve. This kept every white male militarized and armed. It worked well for repression but with terrible psychological costs for both oppressed and oppressor.

Based on this experience,
“But nevertheless, was it still possible for them to destroy families and brutalize their slaves, and not fear for their lives in retribution?”
the answer is no. During my conscript years I was amazed to find everyone else had regular nightmares about being murdered by ‘die swart gevaar’ (the black danger). Uneasy lies the head that wears the military beret..

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Ronan(rf) 06.01.16 at 5:57 pm

Kaleberg, true, but the “irish slaves” narrative in its contemporary form (and I do tend to think its prevelance is overplayed) seems to be coming from white nationalists as a means to undermine African American claims of oppression. It doesn’t refer to the position of the irish in industrialising America, but more specifically to indentured servitude in the Caribbean in the mid 17th century.
I agree with your larger point though. The “slaves myth” as it existed in irish nationalist rhetoric historically , generally wasn’t making any meaningful comparison between black chattel slavery and the irish position (not because it would have been seen as inaccurate, but because it wouldn’t have had much cultural resonance). Claims to irish “slavery” would have been tied up with the relationship with England, and narratives of dispossession, exile, oppression and banishment.
Afaik You’re right that, for an emigrant in 19th century America, this would have been the cultural context. This is the historian Kirby Miller’s argument, that poor, Catholic irish emigrants and the society they left adopted a cultural motif of emigration as forced exile from their country(even when it was a choice, albeit a bad one) , and built it around historical folk narratives of banishment and exile at the hands of the English (rather than what primarily seemed to be the cause of their leaving, changes in land inheritance norms and a changing economy that left significant numbers redundant).
It was partly encouraged by a growing nationalist elite to shore up their position, partly adopted by families to paper over tensions within families and hide the real reasons for the emigrant leaving , and partly used in the new country to build collective solidarity in the disorientating circumstances they found themselves in .
Thats his argument anyway (as far as I remember it), and it has received a good bit of pushback. My understanding is that the “irish slaves” myth as used now (primarily on Twitter it seems) is mainly coming from white nationalists, which (as I said above) doesn’t seem particularly noteworthy.. to me anyway.

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Paul Davis 06.02.16 at 4:03 pm

cassander @21:

But I’m sure 12 minutes ago somewhere, some white immigrant somewhere just got his citizenship. Would you say he benefited materially from chattel slavery? Because I wouldn’t.

I just dropped my citizenship application in the mail last week (after 27 years here). I think I’ve benefitted from chattel slavery (or any other kind of slavery) as much as my native born wife, children and neighbours.

Next question?

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Stan 06.02.16 at 4:58 pm

“But I’m sure 12 minutes ago somewhere, some white immigrant somewhere just got his citizenship. Would you say he benefited materially from chattel slavery? Because I wouldn’t.”

Let’s say 12 years instead of 12 minutes, deal?

In those 12 years, if that white immigrant never got arrested just for being alive; had no problem being served at a restaurant; didn’t get denied jobs due to his/her ethnicity; had equivalent health outcomes to other white people; was not questioned when voting; took up residence anywhere s/he wanted; obtained a mortgage; was not ignored at a hospital emergency room; or visited the White House, yeah, s/he benefited from slavery and its companion, racism.

Because with the exception of the white house visit, every single one of my black friends has had those issues. Every single one.

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JPL 06.04.16 at 9:09 am

For anyone interested in the role of African- Americans, slave and free, in effectively bringing about the end of slavery, the US Intellectual History blog has had a series recently which relates to this question, under the heading of “agency”. (Contributors include Eran Zelnick and Jeremy C. Young.) There’s also an interesting article in the Jacobin magazine by Adolph Reed (“The James Brown Theory of Black Liberation”).
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/10/adolph-reed-black-liberation-django-lincoln-selma-glory/

Also in the Jacobin is an article by James Oakes (“The war of Northern Aggression”), offering a different perspective on the reasons the war against the slaveholders happened, emphasizing the development of a social movement (in the north, associated with the “party of Lincoln”, whose principles today’s Republican party has betrayed), that was committed to ending slavery and that recognized that it was necessary to fight a war to end the abominable institution. It would be interesting to know more about the African/ African- American contribution to the clarification of the ethical understanding that motivated this movement.

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