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		<title>Comment on IUDs: Secretly Awesome by Salient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Longer reply having been moderation-trapped and probably for good reason, I&#039;ll satisfy myself with the pithier response, &quot;Declaring that &#039;contraception is evil&#039; is evil, and that evil calls into question any other allegation of evilness that person might make.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Longer reply having been moderation-trapped and probably for good reason, I&#8217;ll satisfy myself with the pithier response, &#8220;Declaring that &#8216;contraception is evil&#8217; is evil, and that evil calls into question any other allegation of evilness that person might make.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>Comment on IUDs: Secretly Awesome by bianca steele</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/08/iuds-secretly-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-402138</link>
		<dc:creator>bianca steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan
I don&#039;t want to debate your memory of your undergraduate coursework, and Belle did ask for this not to become an abortion thread.  

I distinguish a fertilized human ovum from a human person in the same way I distinguish an acorn from an oak tree and a chicken egg from a chicken.  It&#039;s pretty simple, really, and I&#039;m the argument &quot;a person may reasonably be imagined by considering a genome&quot; is fairly astonishing on its own, much less as theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@Ryan<br />
I don&#8217;t want to debate your memory of your undergraduate coursework, and Belle did ask for this not to become an abortion thread.</p>

	<p>I distinguish a fertilized human ovum from a human person in the same way I distinguish an acorn from an oak tree and a chicken egg from a chicken.  It&#8217;s pretty simple, really, and I&#8217;m the argument &#8220;a person may reasonably be imagined by considering a genome&#8221; is fairly astonishing on its own, much less as theology.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dog Ate My Homework by Meredith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also add (to get back to Maria&#039;s post!): as someone who is not native to but has lived for a million years in Massachusetts, I had hoped that the Red Sox winning the World Series, finally, would overturn the fatalistic attitude, in politics, of so many in this state, which I (and many others) had attributed largely to the influence of the Irish here. Maybe it has, a little. But it&#039;s hard to know how to handle victory, what to do with it, when you&#039;re used to defeat. And there are virtues in that fatalism, as the last few years of economic craziness remind us. There are also dangers, as the McNally list demonstrates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I would also add (to get back to Maria&#8217;s post!): as someone who is not native to but has lived for a million years in Massachusetts, I had hoped that the Red Sox winning the World Series, finally, would overturn the fatalistic attitude, in politics, of so many in this state, which I (and many others) had attributed largely to the influence of the Irish here. Maybe it has, a little. But it&#8217;s hard to know how to handle victory, what to do with it, when you&#8217;re used to defeat. And there are virtues in that fatalism, as the last few years of economic craziness remind us. There are also dangers, as the McNally list demonstrates.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Further adventures on Intrade by Michael Bérubé</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bérubé</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you&#039;re missing out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity if you don&#039;t donate that money to the new &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/articles/planned-parenthood-opens-8-billion-abortionplex,20476/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Abortionplex&lt;/a&gt;.  (Customer reviews available &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yelp.com/biz/abortionplex-topeka&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)  You did a great deal of damage by backing Santorum when you did, and this is clearly the best way to atone.

Unless you want to buy contraceptives for employees of Catholic hospitals and universities in the US.  Your call, just so long as potential human beings (pre- or post-conception, it doesn&#039;t matter) are destroyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John, you&#8217;re missing out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity if you don&#8217;t donate that money to the new <a href="http://www.theonion.com/articles/planned-parenthood-opens-8-billion-abortionplex,20476/" rel="nofollow">Abortionplex</a>.  (Customer reviews available <a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/abortionplex-topeka" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)  You did a great deal of damage by backing Santorum when you did, and this is clearly the best way to atone.</p>

	<p>Unless you want to buy contraceptives for employees of Catholic hospitals and universities in the US.  Your call, just so long as potential human beings (pre- or post-conception, it doesn&#8217;t matter) are destroyed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dog Ate My Homework by Meredith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janie M and Uncle Kvetch, I am sure we&#039;d all agree that in teaching a new language, as in teaching anything, you start from where your students are coming from. (Just as, for persuasive writing or speaking, you start in large measure from where you gauge your reading or listening audience to be coming from.) For the foreign language teacher, considerations of students&#039; age and motivation, of available textbooks and other resources, of larger goals (will English-speaking students of French learn only how to ask directions to the train station -- that&#039;s no mean accomplishment -- or also to read Racine?), of all kinds of things come into play -- especially the language(s) students already know. That&#039;s what got me to wondering if, in addition (probably) to some pretty mediocre-bad general techniques on teachers&#039; part, an investment teachers and students may share in imagining some unbridgeable gulf between Irish and English may also be getting in the way of good Irish-language teaching to English-speaking students. (Boy, the &quot;may&#039;s&quot; piled up there!)

Language-learning should be one of life&#039;s greatest pleasures (and challenges -- we should be encouraging the young, especially, not to think that &quot;difficult&quot; rules out &quot;gratifying&quot; or even &quot;fun&quot; -- rather, the opposite.) Learning &quot;foreign&quot; languages as well as one&#039;s &quot;own&quot; should be pleasurable, if often difficult. (There are still so many &quot;Englishes&quot; for me to learn! And more will come after I die, so I can never become engaged with them all.... Sad.) For me, it&#039;s my wonder at the way languages change (yep, English is sure changing -- inevitable and wonderful), the sheer profligacy of their growth, that makes me a stickler for standardized grammar and usage, at least for certain contexts. For democratic purposes, we need a standardized form of a given language that we can all share --  in civic contexts, for instance. And even standardized forms will change over time -- no one need worry about that. But we (speakers of a given &quot;language,&quot; whatever the &quot;dialect&quot; each of us speaks) need to be able to talk to and understand one another, every bit as much as native speakers of wholly different languages do.
This is the opposite, btw, of the state&#039;s banning Irish and the other Gaelic languages (as happened, historically). Irish and English both, I say. Challenging -- and also more fun. But a common (bound to be standardized) language is also needed, as well and all the more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Janie M and Uncle Kvetch, I am sure we&#8217;d all agree that in teaching a new language, as in teaching anything, you start from where your students are coming from. (Just as, for persuasive writing or speaking, you start in large measure from where you gauge your reading or listening audience to be coming from.) For the foreign language teacher, considerations of students&#8217; age and motivation, of available textbooks and other resources, of larger goals (will English-speaking students of French learn only how to ask directions to the train station&#8212;that&#8217;s no mean accomplishment&#8212;or also to read Racine?), of all kinds of things come into play&#8212;especially the language(s) students already know. That&#8217;s what got me to wondering if, in addition (probably) to some pretty mediocre-bad general techniques on teachers&#8217; part, an investment teachers and students may share in imagining some unbridgeable gulf between Irish and English may also be getting in the way of good Irish-language teaching to English-speaking students. (Boy, the &#8220;may&#8217;s&#8221; piled up there!)</p>

	<p>Language-learning should be one of life&#8217;s greatest pleasures (and challenges&#8212;we should be encouraging the young, especially, not to think that &#8220;difficult&#8221; rules out &#8220;gratifying&#8221; or even &#8220;fun&#8221;&#8212;rather, the opposite.) Learning &#8220;foreign&#8221; languages as well as one&#8217;s &#8220;own&#8221; should be pleasurable, if often difficult. (There are still so many &#8220;Englishes&#8221; for me to learn! And more will come after I die, so I can never become engaged with them all&#8230;. Sad.) For me, it&#8217;s my wonder at the way languages change (yep, English is sure changing&#8212;inevitable and wonderful), the sheer profligacy of their growth, that makes me a stickler for standardized grammar and usage, at least for certain contexts. For democratic purposes, we need a standardized form of a given language that we can all share&#8212; in civic contexts, for instance. And even standardized forms will change over time&#8212;no one need worry about that. But we (speakers of a given &#8220;language,&#8221; whatever the &#8220;dialect&#8221; each of us speaks) need to be able to talk to and understand one another, every bit as much as native speakers of wholly different languages do.<br />
This is the opposite, btw, of the state&#8217;s banning Irish and the other Gaelic languages (as happened, historically). Irish and English both, I say. Challenging&#8212;and also more fun. But a common (bound to be standardized) language is also needed, as well and all the more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Further adventures on Intrade by MarkUp</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put the nut back down and donate the vig straight to the nut, Santorum.  While all the other places may be admirable and worthy causes, none will provide the humor that Rick could let alone the likely larger contributions they&#039;d get if he gets the nomination.</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Dog Ate My Homework by Uncle Kvetch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Second point: surely how difficult a language is to learn is heavily dependent on which language(s) the learner is already familiar with. … ?&lt;/i&gt;

Of course. Which is why I added my &quot;for English-speakers at least&quot; qualification wrt Russian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Second point: surely how difficult a language is to learn is heavily dependent on which language(s) the learner is already familiar with. &#8230; ?</i></p>

	<p>Of course. Which is why I added my &#8220;for English-speakers at least&#8221; qualification wrt Russian.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dog Ate My Homework by JanieM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JanieM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For instance, “I fear that he may come” vs. “I feared that he might come.” &lt;/i&gt;

So nice to see that someone still remembers the difference.  :)  

Failure to grasp the distinction is so common that surely language change will do away with it one of these decades.  Examples from my collection:

“If the Times had printed only one review of Keegan, readers may take it as a lesser work than McPherson’s, to be sure, but one that deserves a place on the shelf. McPherson’s review suggests otherwise.” (from a reader comment &lt;a href=&quot;http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-banality-of-book-reviews/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)

and

“Lamarckism...would have played an even greater role in people’s thinking than it did. It may still be with us now—we would be trying to figure out how progress occurs out of necessity, rather than it being the rather odd view of people like Conway Morris.” (from a defunct Lawyers, Guns, and Money link)

This (mis)usage drives me crazy.  Then again, I’m getting older and crankier every day, so a lot of things drive me crazy.  (Like when people leave out &quot;that&quot; between &quot;ensure&quot; and a following clause.  That file isn&#039;t as big as the may/might one, but it&#039;s growing.)

*****

Second point: surely how difficult a language is to learn is heavily dependent on which language(s) the learner is already familiar with.  ... ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>For instance, &#8220;I fear that he may come&#8221; vs. &#8220;I feared that he might come.&#8221; </i></p>

	<p>So nice to see that someone still remembers the difference.  :)</p>

	<p>Failure to grasp the distinction is so common that surely language change will do away with it one of these decades.  Examples from my collection:</p>

	<p>&#8220;If the Times had printed only one review of Keegan, readers may take it as a lesser work than McPherson&#8217;s, to be sure, but one that deserves a place on the shelf. McPherson&#8217;s review suggests otherwise.&#8221; (from a reader comment <a href="http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-banality-of-book-reviews/" rel="nofollow">here</a>)</p>

	<p>and</p>

	<p>&#8220;Lamarckism&#8230;would have played an even greater role in people&#8217;s thinking than it did. It may still be with us now&#8212;we would be trying to figure out how progress occurs out of necessity, rather than it being the rather odd view of people like Conway Morris.&#8221; (from a defunct Lawyers, Guns, and Money link)</p>

	<p>This (mis)usage drives me crazy.  Then again, I&#8217;m getting older and crankier every day, so a lot of things drive me crazy.  (Like when people leave out &#8220;that&#8221; between &#8220;ensure&#8221; and a following clause.  That file isn&#8217;t as big as the may/might one, but it&#8217;s growing.)</p>

	<p>*****</p>

	<p>Second point: surely how difficult a language is to learn is heavily dependent on which language(s) the learner is already familiar with.  &#8230; ?</p>
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		<title>Comment on More about adjuncts by Salient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think you’re overgeneralizing here.&lt;/i&gt;

Granted. It&#039;s just that as an applicant to grad school and master&#039;s student I had &lt;i&gt;no idea&lt;/i&gt; that that mattered &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt; and this seems to be generally true of new entrants into the program. It&#039;s certainly true that people get hired at universities who don&#039;t have any faculty that personally know your adviser and their work, but I&#039;m claiming this tends to happen only when the university didn&#039;t have any faculty that personally knew the advisers of the other applicants. (For some definition of &lt;i&gt;tends to&lt;/i&gt; that&#039;s sufficiently expansive to accommodate the overgeneralization, and some definition of &lt;i&gt;personally know&lt;/i&gt; that emphasizes familiarity with the adviser&#039;s work and career, and willingness to argue on behalf of the advisee because of that familiarity, e.g. that the advisee will &#039;fit in&#039; well and be able to contribute to the department&#039;s various research goals as a colleague. I should also mention that I don&#039;t think there&#039;s really anything &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt; with this, it&#039;s just a true thing that bears consideration -- dependence on one&#039;s adviser&#039;s recommendation is quite strong in a way that dependence on one&#039;s former boss&#039;s recommendation is generally not.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I think you&#8217;re overgeneralizing here.</i></p>

	<p>Granted. It&#8217;s just that as an applicant to grad school and master&#8217;s student I had <i>no idea</i> that that mattered <i>at all</i> and this seems to be generally true of new entrants into the program. It&#8217;s certainly true that people get hired at universities who don&#8217;t have any faculty that personally know your adviser and their work, but I&#8217;m claiming this tends to happen only when the university didn&#8217;t have any faculty that personally knew the advisers of the other applicants. (For some definition of <i>tends to</i> that&#8217;s sufficiently expansive to accommodate the overgeneralization, and some definition of <i>personally know</i> that emphasizes familiarity with the adviser&#8217;s work and career, and willingness to argue on behalf of the advisee because of that familiarity, e.g. that the advisee will &#8216;fit in&#8217; well and be able to contribute to the department&#8217;s various research goals as a colleague. I should also mention that I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s really anything <i>wrong</i> with this, it&#8217;s just a true thing that bears consideration&#8212;dependence on one&#8217;s adviser&#8217;s recommendation is quite strong in a way that dependence on one&#8217;s former boss&#8217;s recommendation is generally not.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on More about adjuncts by LFC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think there’s a horrible misconception among potential grad students that it’s the school, not the adviser, that future potential employers will care about most.&lt;/i&gt;

I think you&#039;re overgeneralizing here. Many potential (academic) employers will care about both the school and the adviser, and what your diss. was about, and other things... Depends on the particular field and the circumstances, I would say. (Written as one whose own foray into the ac. job market of some several yrs ago was not successful, but who is reasonably sure that the identity of my adviser was &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the reason for that.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I think there&#8217;s a horrible misconception among potential grad students that it&#8217;s the school, not the adviser, that future potential employers will care about most.</i></p>

	<p>I think you&#8217;re overgeneralizing here. Many potential (academic) employers will care about both the school and the adviser, and what your diss. was about, and other things&#8230; Depends on the particular field and the circumstances, I would say. (Written as one whose own foray into the ac. job market of some several yrs ago was not successful, but who is reasonably sure that the identity of my adviser was <i>not</i> the reason for that.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Further adventures on Intrade by Antonio Conselheiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio Conselheiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buy some dogs, name them all something Santorum, and have sex with them.</description>
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		<title>Comment on IUDs: Secretly Awesome by Ryan Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy,

Conjoined twinship and intersexuality both deserve much more compassion and study than they currently receive.  But the existence of hard cases doesn&#039;t exactly make biologists stop talking about organisms and their sex, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Roy,</p>

	<p>Conjoined twinship and intersexuality both deserve much more compassion and study than they currently receive.  But the existence of hard cases doesn&#8217;t exactly make biologists stop talking about organisms and their sex, either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on IUDs: Secretly Awesome by Ryan Miller</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/08/iuds-secretly-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-402115</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bianca @55,

I genuinely don&#039;t understand.  Contraceptive sex is wrong, but it isn&#039;t murder.  Choosing not to have sex at a particular time is a human right, not murder.  An unfertilized egg is not a person, and therefore its expulsion is not a moral problem of any kind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bianca @55,</p>

	<p>I genuinely don&#8217;t understand.  Contraceptive sex is wrong, but it isn&#8217;t murder.  Choosing not to have sex at a particular time is a human right, not murder.  An unfertilized egg is not a person, and therefore its expulsion is not a moral problem of any kind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on IUDs: Secretly Awesome by Ryan Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bianca,

On what grounds do you think that a fertilized egg is not a new organism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bianca,</p>

	<p>On what grounds do you think that a fertilized egg is not a new organism?</p>
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		<title>Comment on IUDs: Secretly Awesome by Ryan Miller</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2012/02/08/iuds-secretly-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-402113</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salient,

I don&#039;t know that we do shrug off implantation failure (see:  opposition to hormonal birth control as an abortifacient), but in the natural case what are we to do about it?  

The condemnation of contraception is part of the Catholic understanding of the marital relationship.   I don&#039;t understand the logic that Catholic stance on contraception leads to an increase in abortions--why would you keep a derivative rule if you&#039;re going to ignore one of the first order?  Again, not being consequentialists, the question is what actions are permitted, not what lesser evils we should tolerate.  Evil *may never* be done in the service of a greater good.

In short, why can&#039;t one say that abortion is murder, and that contraception makes otherwise licit sex illicit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Salient,</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t know that we do shrug off implantation failure (see:  opposition to hormonal birth control as an abortifacient), but in the natural case what are we to do about it?</p>

	<p>The condemnation of contraception is part of the Catholic understanding of the marital relationship.   I don&#8217;t understand the logic that Catholic stance on contraception leads to an increase in abortions&#8212;why would you keep a derivative rule if you&#8217;re going to ignore one of the first order?  Again, not being consequentialists, the question is what actions are permitted, not what lesser evils we should tolerate.  Evil <strong>may never</strong> be done in the service of a greater good.</p>

	<p>In short, why can&#8217;t one say that abortion is murder, and that contraception makes otherwise licit sex illicit?</p>
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