With Bush making his farewell, I thought I’d make the rounds of right-wing blogs to see how they were rising to the occasion. I wondered how low the limbo bar of low standards could go. I was a bit disappointed to start at Red State, see a post entitled “Will the Left Accept That They Were Wrong Wrong About Bush?” and come up with an instant winner. What is the author going to praise Bush for, you ask? “We stand here watching Bush kindly say his goodbyes and we see George W. Bush stepping down like every American president before him (well, except the ones that died in office, of course). Even Darth Cheney is packing up for his last ride into the sunset.”
Bush didn’t stage a coup. (Well, there are a few hours left. But it does seem that he won’t.)
That’s it.
“So, will each of these half sentient, dillweeds fess up that they were wrong? Will they turn to their fellow dillweed, whack-jonse friends and say: “Ya know, I have to hand it to Bush. He was an alright guy for following the Constitution and going home to Texas like he’s supposed ta.”
Only time will tell.
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P O'Neill 01.16.09 at 3:09 pm
Perhaps as telling is the extent to which the address was ignored (almost nothing at the Corner and nothing at Powerline). They may be saving their energy for the pardon dump.
rjm 01.16.09 at 3:27 pm
Well, they’ll have plenty of help from the paid propagandists down at the Bush Library at SMU.
Dave Weeden 01.16.09 at 3:29 pm
I hope you’re also following the Red State Strike Force. (What to say about that? I know it’s not nice the way we Europeans look down on Americans, but some of you work so hard at being stupid.)
Also via Balloon Juice, I don’t know if Andrew Roberts counts, being a historian and in the Torygraph, but the bar really isn’t high is it?
Total 01.16.09 at 3:48 pm
way we Europeans look down on Americans, but some of you work so hard at being stupid
Never wise to be snarky from a continent that has its own well-developed efforts at stupidity.
Adam Kotsko 01.16.09 at 3:52 pm
I guess this is the final word on all those complaints that Bush supposedly “violated the constitution.” Of course, the loony left will never be satisfied.
Hidari 01.16.09 at 4:00 pm
Don’t you understand? The issue here isn’t the disintegrating economy,the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, or the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
The question is: how many blowjobs did the President receive while in office? Since with Bush the answer is probably ‘none’ (and if anyone has any evidence to the contrary I’d rather they kept it to themselves, lest the resulting mental image have a negative impact on my mental health) that makes him by definition a Good President.
President Obama’s position on fellatio, so to speak, is still not clear. Typical liberal.
jim in austin 01.16.09 at 5:03 pm
My mind refuses to accept that the Red State post wasn’t a parody or some kind of inside joke. The alternative is too frightening to contemplate. On a happier note, this gave me a chuckle this morning.
Doctor Science 01.16.09 at 5:48 pm
Department of How I Know I’m Older than Him:
we see George W. Bush stepping down like every American president before him (well, except the ones that died in office, of course)
Not quite, alas.
And as for Cheney, The Onion, as usual, says it best.
Stentor 01.16.09 at 6:52 pm
It’s not all, or even a significant segment, of the left by any means — but I do know people who were absolutely convinced that Bush was going to engineer some sort of national crisis and cancel the ’08 election (and the ’04 election).
sprite 01.16.09 at 7:14 pm
It’s not all, or even a significant segment, of the left by any means—but I do know people who were absolutely convinced that Bush was going to engineer some sort of national crisis and cancel the ‘08 election (and the ‘04 election).
I met only one person who believed this, but even the one came as a shock to me. It just seemed so paranoid.
catclub 01.16.09 at 7:41 pm
High praise indeed. Did not invoke martial law to maintain presidency.
My version of praise: 1) Did not bomb/invade Iran. 2) Did not produce fake WMD in Iraq to prove
he was right. 3) Used invasion of Iraq to distract from inevitable failure in Afghanistan.
Clearly a great president.
Martin 01.16.09 at 7:57 pm
What’s more telling are the defenses put forth by the reputable pundits, and accepted without disputation by the mainstream media, including its liberals. After all the chief defense of Bush is that the country did not suffer another terrorist attack after 9/11. Really? What was all that about the anthrax then? By the accounts of our own government, this was a terrorist attack with no apparent connection to any Islamic group, launched by someone connected to US bioweapons labs, who targeted prominent liberal politicians and the media. And this person or group is still at large with no apparent progress on catching him or her. The anthrax attacks were certainly treated as a terrorist attack at the time, but somehow they have become in retrospect some kind of half-remembered dream or weird media confection.
Righteous Bubba 01.16.09 at 8:01 pm
Notable failures of the Bush era were those of a pretzel and a similarly valiant Segway.
Keith M Ellis 01.16.09 at 8:07 pm
Yeah, what Stentor said. I didn’t know anyone personally who believed that Bush would cancel the election, but I certainly encountered a number of them online in blog comments and the like. One guy—who, in my opinion, is largely responsible for ruining the comments section of an otherwise very good blog—wrote in October that “no way” was Bush going to leave office, “just you wait and see”.
What really puzzles me about people like this is that they are, not unlike Bush, utterly unfazed by having been proven entirely wrong. You’d think it would give them pause, cause them to rethink their constant always-certain theories and predictions. But it doesn’t—being proven wrong never acts as a moderator of their beliefs.
Rich Puchalsky 01.16.09 at 8:18 pm
I live in a liberal area, and I’ve never met anyone who thought that Bush would pull a self-coup.
But let me think: surely I can come up with a few more Bush triumphs:
1. Did not push the nuclear button. Hey, the Dead Kennedies had a song about that, though not about Bush, so someone predicted it, right? “He says, ‘I’m finished, so what the hell? / My life is ruined, what matters now? / I’ve always itched for that last great thrill: / If I die all of you should too.'”
2. Did not test the BTKWB limit by Binding, Torturing, and Killing Wilford Brimley, just to show that he could do it.
3. Did not lose a major American city. Wait, oops.
Righteous Bubba 01.16.09 at 8:21 pm
I’m always impressed that there are fewer people like this than I think there should be given that so many of us have myths we prefer to reality.
Barry 01.16.09 at 9:08 pm
And given that very few people predicted back in 2000 just how bad things would get.
Barry 01.16.09 at 9:10 pm
I know of one woman who did, who’s part of a major blogging group (by my standards). Her error is that she didn’t realize that the serious evils done by the Bush administration were *part of the system*. She saw what they had done, and the fact that a serious amount of evidence had already leaked, and figured that they couldn’t just walk away from their crimes and not get in trouble. She didn’t realize (and I really didn’t) that 90% of the system is fine with the Bush adminisration’s crimes, and 75% were probably in on them.
Bruce Baugh 01.16.09 at 9:28 pm
I’m willing to fess up that I spent much of 2008 expecting Bush to do something either to sabotage the election in advance or refuse to step down upon losing. I didn’t exactly expect it, but after watching so many things I never expected actually happen, I didn’t feel like I could rule it out.
It does look like I was thoroughly wrong about it, and that the machine stuck to its usual vote theft and vote suppression, and that they weren’t enough to do the job. I repeatedly said that I’d be happy to be wrong about my worries on this front, and I am indeed happy to have been wrong about them.
MarkUp 01.16.09 at 10:11 pm
A Farewell to Arms
“You see I’ve been leading a sort of a funny life. And I never even talk English. And you are so very beautiful.”
Off to pay my SE taxes…
guez 01.16.09 at 10:30 pm
Let’s not count our chickens before they hatch. We still have more than 72 hours to go. “Alert level red” anyone?
Rich Puchalsky 01.16.09 at 10:34 pm
Bruce, everything that Bush did depended on the inertia of people not really being willing to exert themselves to stop the administration from doing things. Going to aggressive war, torturing foreigners, stealing money for “bailouts” for cronies and so on are things that Americans have pretty much always done; Bush only did them bigger and better and with less shame. But to actually sabotage the four-yearly ritual to the extent of declaring himself dictator for life? No, that would require an active break. It’s possible to have a corrupt Supreme Court steal an election for you, but to have them declare that elections are over goes outside the script.
Joel Turnipseed 01.16.09 at 10:35 pm
I’m actually getting a free sushi dinner on the “Bush failed to stage an electoral coup” question, so, yeah: it’s not that uncommon.
Rich: that’s pretty damned funny.
Honestly? I don’t have time to do so much as scan the wingnutosphere, but I’d be less interested in what they have to say about Bush’s valedictory days and much more (almost enough to go look for it, in fact) curious to see how they’re scrambling in the wake of Susan Crawford’s bombshell remarks.
I think it will be a while before Obama can get to it (or he feels enough heat from “the base”), but remember: it took three years for the Pecora Committee to get going, the Nye Committee took decades to sort out (or not) World War One profiteering and war lobbying, and even the Church Committee took the atrocities of Vietnam and the criminality of Watergate (both profligate) to get underway… and the Church Committee documents weren’t released (and still aren’t, completely) to the public until a couple years ago.
So… Bush, Cheney, et. al., have a number of nervous years ahead of them, no?
dsquared 01.16.09 at 11:16 pm
The hilarious thing is that in order to nutpick his links, he had to descend to the level of Yahoo! Answers. I mean oooooh, mate. Next stop “YouTube comments show the true face of the Left!”
Righteous Bubba 01.16.09 at 11:26 pm
Warner Todd Huston is a nutpick.
Anatoly Vorobey 01.16.09 at 11:29 pm
Will Bush walk away in 2009? – 875 comments.
It’s one of the first hits you get if you search for “coup” on dailykos.com.
Seriously, there have been tons of people on the left predicting that Bush won’t give up the reins. I’ve met a few personally. Online, you’d have to be blind to miss them – or at least, do something extravagant like avoid the loonier corners of the online left and stick to the more reasonable sites, like Crooked Timber, where a Bush coup is seriously contemplated only by some commenters, and that very rarely.
It seems to me that the right-wingers should feel as free to gloat at the loony left over Bush leaving the White House peacefully, as the left-wingers have felt free over the years to gloat at the loony right on any number of occasions when those were proven spectacularly wrong.
Both sides could be faulted for picking the easier targets by focusing on the loonier part of the other side, but that’s the name of the game; and isn’t that, after all, what John is doing in this very post as well?
Martin James 01.16.09 at 11:57 pm
Don’t you guys know anything. There was no coup because Bush 41 struck a deal with the Clintons. Obama is just a figurehead! When the time is right, Hillary is just 4 heartbeats away from the presidency.
MarkUp 01.17.09 at 12:04 am
”as free to gloat at the loony left over Bush leaving the White House peacefully,”
Presidents [sitting] can’t get bailouts, and as the saying goes, “ain’t nuttin free.”
Barry 01.17.09 at 12:10 am
dsquared 01.16.09 at 11:16 pm
” The hilarious thing is that in order to nutpick his links,…”
I like that term.
Barry 01.17.09 at 12:18 am
Joel Turnipseed 01.16.09 at 10:35 pm
” I think it will be a while before Obama can get to it (or he feels enough heat from “the baseâ€), but remember: it took three years for the Pecora Committee to get going, the Nye Committee took decades to sort out (or not) World War One profiteering and war lobbying, and even the Church Committee took the atrocities of Vietnam and the criminality of Watergate (both profligate) to get underway… and the Church Committee documents weren’t released (and still aren’t, completely) to the public until a couple years ago.
So… Bush, Cheney, et. al., have a number of nervous years ahead of them, no?”
Nah. Think of Nixon. Once he resigned (with Ford’s pardon undoubtedly already in his pocket), it became ‘healing time’. Nixon spent a few years drying out, and started his rehabilitation tour. Bush I, Cheney, and a bunch of other sh*ts continued their careers, having learned important lessons (i.e., no matter how much a president steps on his d*ck and gets caught, he’s immune to the normal law). The right-wing think tanks, mostly established in the 1970’s, started their permanent campaign which resulted in the ‘Law and Economics’ movement, and Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts.
Meanwhile the rest of the right actually started their comeback four years later, in 1978, when the GOP took the Senate. By six years after Nixon resigned, the GOP had the Senate and the Presidency, and probably only Volcker’s ‘kill inflation, even if it kills the country’ recession kept the GOP from owning the House.
By that point, Nixon was an ‘elder statesman’.
Here’s my ‘wingnut’ prediction: two years from now, the elite MSM will be trumping scandals in the Obama administration far louder than they did the abuses of the Bush II administration. We’ll be seeing Bush II administration officials posting Op-Eds in major papers *aside* from the WSJ, acting like butter wouldn’t melt in their mouths.
phosphorious 01.17.09 at 12:38 am
I am willing to bet that there are more conservatives who think that Obama has in fact pulled off a coup right now. . . after all he’s not really an American, and so his presidency is illegitimate. . . than there are “libs” who think that Bush had it in him to attempt it.
phosphorious 01.17.09 at 12:40 am
I also think the liberal belief is less insane than the conservative belief.
Joel Turnipseed 01.17.09 at 1:18 am
Barry–
Yes, you have a point–in particular the one about Nixon’s henchmen learning from the past (and learning precisely the “wrong” lessons). I was thinking of adding this caveat in the form of a link to a review I did a couple years back of Tiger Force, by Michael Sallah and Mitch Weiss, but the Star-Tribune doesn’t archive freelance reviews.
The salient feature w/r/t this discussion was that the main Army investigation into the atrocities (much more horrifying than My Lai, in some ways–and definitely more widespread) was killed by Rumsfeld and Cheney during the Ford Administration.
So… yeah: there’s a sense in which Watergate was a kind of post-secondary education for scoundrels.
Miguel 01.17.09 at 1:20 am
I was an early member of RedState and actually liked it.
I am as socialist as anyone but it was interesting just trying to figure out how they thought. I didn’t hide my political affiliation and never caused any problems. I rarely post except top ask for clarification.
Then one day I was “purged” along a post confirming that redstate was a “Real” republican blog and that they were going to put their foot down and stop tolerating all the comments from libertarians and moderates. Soon after it became more of a fascist blog than a conservative blog.
It seems to have mellowed slightly since. Despite being asked to leave i am still on their email list. go fig
Cranky Observer 01.17.09 at 1:21 am
> Seriously, there have been tons of people on the left predicting that Bush
> won’t give up the reins. I’ve met a few personally. Online, you’d have to
> be blind to miss them – or at least, do something extravagant like avoid
> the loonier corners of the online left and stick to the more reasonable sites,
I have always hoped my descendants would say of me that “he was a bit looney”; I guess now I have more hope. I was quite concerned during the months following the 2004 elections that Rove, Cheney, or a partnership of the two would in fact find some way to subvert the election process. And you are welcome to call this thought “looney” if you like, but I will remind you that we are speaking of people who among other things found a secret “4th branch of government” hiding unsuspected in the Constitution for 230 years, who refuse to this day to publish lists of who works in their offices (people on public salary) or who attend their meetings, and who not only believe Nixon’s claim that anything a President does is not illegal but write thousands of briefs and memos to justify it and persuade 10s (if not 100s) of thousands of people to act as if that bitterly unconstitutional falsehood is operative. So remind me again who is “looney”.
I will freely admit that my concerns of 2004-2005 did not bear out, and I was in that sense wrong. However, there were a few events in between that time and November 2008: Schivo, Katrina, and the complete collapse of Iraq. Had the first 2 not happened and had someone more adept at hiding the reality been in command in Iraq (as is the case now) then I think Rove would have been looking at a very different situation in 2006 and after.
In any case, W clearly had some sort of falling-out with Cheney around the end of 2007/beginning of 2008 which put paid to anything of the sort. To think that Addington, Yoo, and Cheney didn’t kick the idea around would be very naive.
Cranky
Cranky Observer 01.17.09 at 1:27 am
In response to Anatoly’s #25, a little farther down that thread is this:
> jr wrote:
>> Fitzgerald is perhaps the last chance to push back the coup…
> The question is, will they have the nerve to fire Fitzgerald? I think they
> will – they have never yet shown lack of will and they have their backs to wall now.
Of course, we now know that Rove was at that very moment firing prosecutors who didn’t follow his instructions to indict and jail Democrats who committed the crime of running successful campaigns against Republicans, and that Fitzgerald was on that list whilst investigating Rove for obstruction of justice. Ah, “looney”. Sure.
Cranky
e julius drivingstorm 01.17.09 at 1:28 am
The party that brought you Watergate, Iran-Contra, and the Iraq war probably felt it was not possible to pull off a coup. Maybe because so many of us thought they might try.
Martin Bento 01.17.09 at 2:14 am
If Cynthia McKinney had won the election, would some way be found to overturn it and either keep Bush in or install someone else? I tend to think so, because the entire establishment would have supported it. If Bush were going to try something like this, he needed to do it right after 9/11, and in a sense he did by subverting the rule of law. Had he concentrated on the “enemy within”, he might have been able to push the country all the way over, but there was no oil in that. By the end of his regime, most of the establishment, including much of the military, had turned against him, so he wasn’t going to get away with anything.
It’s worth reminding people again of that Atlantic article from the March 2004 issue: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush 1, and Ollie North had plans to install an extra-Constitutional emergency government, deliberately circumventing the transfer of power specified in the law, by asserting control of the nukes. Call it crazy conspiracy theory, but the “crazies” are writing for the Atlantic. Originally, this was conceived in response to a Soviet attack, but as that threat faded, a “terrorist” one was substituted smoothly as a jazz pianist can substitute a chord. To be fair, the stated rationale was continuity after a nuclear attack of some kind – though that continuity explicitly did not include continuing to have a Congress. I would not say these people have undying loyalty to the American notion of democracy.
Lee A. Arnold 01.17.09 at 2:20 am
He preserved the system for stupid rich kids to get ahead with the help of their parents’ friends, and showed the rest of the world that democracy is as dangerous as any other system — with the exception that you can vote the bums out. Which is a good thing. As Jefferson and Adams noted.
MH 01.17.09 at 2:34 am
“If Cynthia McKinney had won the election, would some way be found to overturn it and either keep Bush in or install someone else?”
She was only 70 million votes away. We dodged a bullet there.
Martin Bento 01.17.09 at 2:56 am
MH, surely you don’t think that is to the point. I’m not talking about the likelihood of McKinney becoming President. I’m talking about what potentially could happen if a candidate were elected who the established power brokers would be strongly united in opposing. How such a candidate could come to be elected is a hard question, but denying the hypothetical is not answering the argument, but refusing to.
MH 01.17.09 at 3:08 am
Martin, in that case, I’ll just point out that we can take to the hills to defend our freedom, just like in Red Dawn. It’s more plausible.
MH 01.17.09 at 3:15 am
Except for the parts of Red Dawn where the shout “Wolverines!” No self-respecting person ever shouts “Wolverines.”
John Holbo 01.17.09 at 4:22 am
“No self-respecting person ever shouts “Wolverines.†”
This just shows that you are an effete urbanite. No one ever shouts that while buying a latte, sure. But what if you were out in the wilderness, surrounded by wolverines, eh?
MH 01.17.09 at 4:52 am
“This just shows that you are an effete urbanite.”
Or that the Big 10 has corrupted my brain.
MH 01.17.09 at 5:04 am
And I keep meaning to go do something wildernessy, but its just so cold. This morning, the snot in my nose turned to ice before I’d gone three blocks. If I went hunting wolverines, I’d have to go to Nordstrums to get the big jar of moisturizer or my manicurist would never let me hear the end of it.
nick s 01.17.09 at 7:51 am
I met only one person who believed this, but even the one came as a shock to me. It just seemed so paranoid.
The last couple of weeks bring a kind of perspective. The elected American monarchy has a particular brand of pomp, circumstance and puffery on departure, even as pundits and historians predict that Bush’s reign will end up considered a heap of shit. He has had his “exit interviews” and “farewell address” and “last press conference” and it’s all very orderly and wanky, when the appropriate exit for Bush — and I hope beyond hope that I see it on Tuesday — is for him to be chased out of town by a million people throwing shoes at his head. (In contrast, there’s something deeply satisfying about a defeated Prime Minister having to have the removal van waiting outside Number 10 at 5am.)
Would it really have been less appropriate, in a wider historical context, for him to have been chased out of his presidential palace by the mob? Is he any worse than James II, who buggered off to Paris, or Louis-Philippe, who took the opposite trip to exile?
dead rabbit 01.17.09 at 10:34 am
Bush didn’t stage a coup? Tell it to the Supreme Court.
chris y 01.17.09 at 11:48 am
OK, I confess. I never expected Bush to cancel the election or stage a coup. I did, not necessarily expect, but feel I would not be surprised if he had, for example, bombed Iran between the election and the inauguration, or otherwise acted to make it unfeasible for Obama to take forward his own agenda. I am, I suppose, pleasantly surprised. Touch wood.
Martin Wisse 01.17.09 at 11:52 am
Everything that was done in the name of Bush over the past eight years has been more worse and more outrageous than we could ever expect, even after we learned they would be more awful and more shameless than we could imagine. So the fears for a coup are not unjustified, even if it seems less and less likely to happen.
If it had been a choice between impeachment and coup, what would you think Bush and co would’ve chosen?
engels 01.17.09 at 1:20 pm
the appropriate exit for Bush—and I hope beyond hope that I see it on Tuesday—is for him to be chased out of town by a million people throwing shoes at his head. (In contrast, there’s something deeply satisfying about a defeated Prime Minister having to have the removal van waiting outside Number 10 at 5am.)
Does anyone remember a children´s TV programme, I can´t remember the name of it, where the losing contestant went down a chute and ended up in a pool full of ´gunk´? How about something like that for outgoing PMs/presidents? If it caught on it could be probably be extended to failed company directors, hedge fund managers and ´public intellectuals´, with the exact composition of the ´gunk´ to be voted on by people who had been affected by their decisions.
Paul 01.17.09 at 1:27 pm
GWB believes that future historians will view him in a better light than the current ones tend to do. And with the passage of the years that could possibly happen. Future events will reflect back to events that he helped to set in motion in our time. The book on GWB is wide open.
Barry 01.17.09 at 1:28 pm
“…and who not only believe Nixon’s claim that anything a President does is not illegal but write thousands of briefs and memos to justify it and persuade 10s (if not 100s) of thousands of people to act as if that bitterly unconstitutional falsehood is operative. So remind me again who is “looneyâ€.”
And remember that the lawyers and law professors who did that returned to the private sector with no visible problems. Once again, the bar has been lowered.
tom 01.17.09 at 1:42 pm
As much as Bush hurt this country in a deep and disgusting way, and even though it is easy to spit vitriol at him and his henchmen/women, it only furthers the pain of the INDIVIDUAL to engage in hateful speech toward him and those who support(ed) him. To the point: my, and all individuals’, consciousness is more important, more precious, than stooping to their level. It is not easy, but I try to not let them and the corporate fascists control my mind. That is why I started a website and accompanying blog; http://www.watchingbuddha.com and http://www.watchingbuddha.blogspot.com – as a way of giving voice to deep civility, respect for one’s self, to explore the beauty which is OUR CONSCIOUSNESS, and cultivate love, peace, and all the opposite attributes of humanity that Bush and company represent.
Thank you kindly.
Uncle Kvetch 01.17.09 at 1:51 pm
I don’t have time to do so much as scan the wingnutosphere, but I’d be less interested in what they have to say about Bush’s valedictory days and much more (almost enough to go look for it, in fact) curious to see how they’re scrambling in the wake of Susan Crawford’s bombshell remarks.
I’m not up to finding out for myself either, Joel, but I think it’s safe to assume that they’re ignoring it completely.
tom 01.17.09 at 1:53 pm
Which is to say: each of us needs to have “change we can believe in” as our personal anthem and change our society, our polity, by changing our selves to become more aware of the true meaning of living. For Obama to succeed, each person needs to succeed. For America to recover from the past eight years of torture and war and lying, thieving, globe trashing, and hate…it is going to take all of us. Let’s get on the right track. Personhood leads to citizenship leads to civility leads to better soci-political economy which can lead us out of the desert of blame and hate into a promised land of understanding and compassion. There is so much work to do, we need to dig down and get to work. Left to politicians, that work will bear no fruit.
MarkUp 01.17.09 at 2:19 pm
”Once again, the bar has been lowered.”
Or perhaps, progressing further away from the “stone age” on many fronts, the affectations of a coup d’état have changed right in front of our eyes.
tom 01.17.09 at 2:19 pm
what’s so funny ’bout peace, love, and understanding?
Mrs Tilton 01.17.09 at 3:52 pm
Joel @23,
… curious to see how they’re scrambling in the wake of Susan Crawford’s bombshell remarks
Why should they care about the remarks of a leftwing Democrat Islamofascist gay socialist defeatist who does not want peace but is merely on the other side, and has been for as long as Oceania has been at war with Eastasia?
Mrs Tilton 01.17.09 at 3:53 pm
Damn! In moderation again. Clearly I should have spelt that “social!st”.
jacob 01.17.09 at 4:46 pm
We know that Bush stole the 2000 election, and it seems highly likely that he stole 2004, too. I saw that and, like Chris Y, did not expect a Bush/Cheney coup, but at the same time would not have been surprised. Similarly, while I do not actively think that anyone high up in the administration knew the details of September 11 before it happened, I wouldn’t be surprised if they knew something was going to happen and decided to sit on it so they could get their agenda through without difficulty. (We know, of course, that they’d been warned that something would happen sometime, but I’m talking about slightly more actionable knowledge.)
Of course, as Cranky Observer says, between 2004 and now a lot has happened–not least was the exposure of Bush’s startling incompetence at anything besides getting elected. I haven’t thought there was a chance that Bush would refuse to leave in some time because if he couldn’t even manage to privatize social security, how could he orchestrate a coup?
MarkUp 01.17.09 at 5:14 pm
”how could he orchestrate…”
That’s the basic mistake. While more clever than many give him credit for, “he” isn’t that smart or good; as with the 2000 election it was “they” that done it not “he.” Is the President a puppet master or just a puppet?
roy belmont 01.17.09 at 7:38 pm
“the exposure of Bush’s startling incompetence at anything besides getting elected”
whipping boy:
NOUN: 1. A scapegoat. 2. A boy formerly raised with a prince or other young nobleman and whipped for the latter’s misdeeds.
“GWB believes that future historians will view him in a better light than the current ones”
More than possible if those historians are hand-picked the way Bush was, and by the same winning hand.
Anyone who can look at Bush’s massive incompetence and still carry him to blame for anything other than simply being is at least a little complicit with what’s really been happening.
Anyone who can look at what’s happened to this country over the last 8 years and think one election can have altered all of that, reversed it, stymied those powerful manipulators…
Vice President Dick Cheney lauds Obama’s choice of national security team
“…people who ‘believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.’ … ‘That’s not the way the world really works anymore,’ he continued. ‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again…”
Righteous Bubba 01.17.09 at 7:48 pm
The first pie graph in this article from the History News Network is very funny:
http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html
sg 01.17.09 at 9:39 pm
haha! How not to present graphs…
djw 01.17.09 at 11:40 pm
Here’s the thing: I encountered this view from time to time, and it seemed highly unlikely and a bit conspiratorial to me. However, I’m going to refrain from any sort of gloating bout being right come Tuesday, and the reason it quite simple. Every other time I underestimated the Bush administration’s mendacity or incompetence, I was wrong and they were right. So now the score is something Looney left 17, sensible ol’ me 1. Acting superior at this point seems pretty ridiculous.
craigie 01.18.09 at 1:51 am
I am on record online, and won’t walk away from, comments that I thought the chance of BushCo staging a coup were about 25%. In other words, not likely to happen, but hardly surprising if it did. I don’t see how anyone can have watched their contempt for anything that even resembled the rule of law and believed otherwise. “Make our own reality”, anyone? “If the President does it, it’s legal”? One could go on at length.
Doctor Science 01.18.09 at 2:43 am
IIRC (Teh Google is failing me) when W took office, his people (FEMA? Nat’l Security? I’m not sure which) were told, in the briefing from the Clinton people, that there were 3 Really Big Disasters they needed to worry about:
1. terrorist attack on NYC
2. Cat. 5 hurricane hitting New Orleans
3. major earthquake in San Francisco.
San Francisco should count its lucky stars.
MH 01.18.09 at 4:09 am
“Does anyone remember a children´s TV programme, I can´t remember the name of it, where the losing contestant went down a chute and ended up in a pool full of ´gunk´?”
Engels, I believe you are thinking of Double Dare on Nick. The host is now on the Food Network occasionally. Why I remember that, let alone feel compelled to mention it even though you never really asked….
nick s 01.18.09 at 7:32 am
Every other time I underestimated the Bush administration’s mendacity or incompetence, I was wrong and they were right.
Brad DeLong’s description has gone through a few variants, but it remains a mainstay in this regard: “The Bush administration is worse than you imagine possible, even after you take account of the fact that it is worse than you imagine possible.” (I think it’s more elegant with zeugma: “worse than you imagine possible, even accounting for the fact that it is worse than you can possibly imagine.”)
Anatoly Vorobey 01.18.09 at 12:42 pm
djw,
So now the score is something Looney left 17, sensible ol’ me 1.
That’s a very good point. My score is probably about the same, so yeah, no gloating from me either.
I hate Bush for making me lose to the looney left so often.
joel hanes 01.18.09 at 6:26 pm
I was one of those who left comments on various blogs discussing the possibility that Bush would engineer some way to avoid handing over power. I can’t say I ever “believed” this would happen, nor was I convinced that this would happen, but I thought it a distinct possibility. In fact, I went so far as to bet $25 with Ed Brayton that such a thing would ensue. I have never been happier to lose a bet.
So: I was wrong.
I went over to RedState to post an “I was wrong” comment, but one cannot comment on that blog without creating a login account, so I demurred.
roy belmont 01.18.09 at 9:04 pm
I was attacked, ridiculed, and disemvowelled, and otherwise generally abused personally in a manner far exceeding the blunted snark and relative venomlessness of this site’s very own r.bubba, say, at the still-august Making Light, for suggesting, and then defending the legitimacy of that suggestion, and then defending the legitimacy of that defense, for suggesting the Iraq invasion likely had more to do with the interests of Israel than the interests of US oil companies, which companies were then being carried mostly entirely to blame for that invasion.
But I can see yet, now, as well, and sympathize greatly with, the cathartic aspects of having all those snarling little wingnuts defanged and on their back foot now.
Only just that I can’t share in the general leftish glee as to that well-deserved comeuppance. Because it looks to me pretty much like 3-card monte with the fate of the world, still.
tom 01.18.09 at 11:08 pm
The system is the conspiracy. It isn’t “the economy, stupid” It is “the stupid economy.” Built as it is on a foundation of sand: sand equaling corruption, greed, non-sustainability, global destruction, and enslavement of any thing sacred, holy, or good. Bush stole 2 elections and was complicit in all the s— that has gone down the past 8 years. Obama can’t save us-we have to do it ourselves.
Righteous Bubba 01.19.09 at 1:18 am
a manner far exceeding the blunted snark and relative venomlessness of this site’s very own r.bubba
I think I get massive troll points for the amount of complaining Edenbaum’s ape does without me lifting a finger.
herr doktor bimler 01.19.09 at 1:55 am
I was intrigued to learn that CT holds proprietorial rights over R.Bubba. What are the penalties if he goes elsewhere to exercise his blunted snark and relative venomlessness?
Peter 01.19.09 at 6:37 am
but I do know people who were absolutely convinced that Bush was going to engineer some sort of national crisis and cancel the ‘08 election
I’m one of those people, and I ran for office in November. I’m not disappointed at being wrong, or coming in dead last (that many people voted for me? wow!). I’m disappointed that about 40% of the people in the district didn’t bother voting for any of the candidates for this race (like they voted for president, senate, then got down the page and said “I don’t know any of these people, and I don’t even know what the job does, screw it, I’m done”).
Martin Bento 01.19.09 at 9:04 am
For the last 2 years, many of us have been agonizing as Pelosi meekly backed off of hitting Bush too hard where it counted: impeachment off the table, no hardball on Iraq withdrawal, accepting defiance of subpeonas. Just in the last couple of days, Pelosi is on fire and in defiance of Obama: prosecute the baastids, and restore the rich’s taxes too! Methinks Ms. Pelosi was among those who feared what Bush might do if pushed into a corner, and is only now free to act like a Congresswoman. Go Nancy!
MarkUp 01.20.09 at 12:37 am
Fear sells even amongst the best and, uh, brightest.
Dave Weeden 01.20.09 at 7:44 pm
Sincere flattery?
Martin James 01.21.09 at 3:12 pm
The thing I miss most about Bush after about 18 hours of Obama is that with Bush I never felt the country was caught up in a personality cult.
lemuel pitkin 01.21.09 at 4:17 pm
with Bush I never felt the country was caught up in a personality cult.
We experienced the years immediately after September 11 rather differently, then.
Martin James 01.21.09 at 7:25 pm
Lemuel,
We did. I experienced those years as more of a neo-con coup than a personality cult.
Righteous Bubba 01.21.09 at 7:30 pm
Thers notes ongoing Bush-Jesus comparisons. That Jesus is in his lion form is either more or less crazy. Your choice.
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