Recently I was talking with a political philosopher, who is based in Italy, about “my reasons for supporting birthleave for fathers”:https://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/03/2-weeks-of-birthleave-for-fathers/. He told me that in Italy parenthood is strongly gendered, and gave the example of a note put up at his kids’s school, stating that ‘Today Mothers should pick up their children at 2 pm rather than 4 pm’ (or something very similar). If I ever were to read such a note, I would be outraged that the school would assume that it could only be mothers who would get the kids from school; he, as a father, was outraged that the school assumed that there would be no fathers picking up the kids from school.
In my view there are plenty gendered messages in daily life, and many of the people I encounter are not aware of the gender codes they create, reinforce, and spread. I few months ago I thought I should write down during one year all the public and private gendered codes and messages that I encountered in daily life and explain why I find them problematic (or not). For time reasons, and perhaps also because it would be difficult pursuing such a project without violating people’s right to privacy, I haven’t embarked on that project yet, though I may do so one day. I think such a gender codes diary would show how many gender codes surround us, many of which are uncritically absorbed by consumers and citizens. Which was the last one you encountered?
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Ragtime 06.30.08 at 6:52 pm
Yesterday, at a “mad science” show we had for my daughter’s birthday party. The “mad scientist” host was preparing the demonstrate the chemical properties of acetone by letting it eat through a styrofoam cup. He asked the kids, holding up the bottle of acetone, “Do you know what this is?” Silence. “I’ll give you a hint. Your mommy might use it at the end of the day on her hands. No? It’s nail polish remover.”
I’m guessing few of the kids’ mommies wore nail polish on a regular basis, so I’m not surprised no one guessed it. On the other hand, it probably was the best clue available, and adding “mommy” rather than parent was probably a good hint. Overall — clearly gender coded, but I’m not sure what would have been the better, gender neutral clue.
Walt 06.30.08 at 7:03 pm
I don’t understand why people don’t just call it “acetone” around the house. It takes much less time than to say “nail polish remover”, and since it’s generally useful for things other than removing nail polish, clearer as well.
R 06.30.08 at 7:10 pm
But if you asked for acetone at your local grocery store, they probably wouldn’t know to direct you to the cosmetics aisle.
eric 06.30.08 at 7:39 pm
@r: “But if you asked for acetone at your local grocery store, they probably wouldn’t know to direct you to the cosmetics aisle.”
When my wife and I were traveling in Spain, we went to a pharmacy looking for nail varnish remover. The clerk didn’t understand English, and we had no idea what the Spanish term was. So I asked for “acetone” and the clerk immediately retrieved a bottle.
Greatzamfir 06.30.08 at 8:59 pm
I would love to see the results of such a project, especially if the results are treated with some care. The acetone example shows that it is hard to distinguish between unnecessary gender mentions and descriptions of pre-existing gender relations.
My own example of the difficulties involved: I recently visited a graduation ceremony ( my own, lucky me). My field has a low percentage of women participants, and the organizer of the ceremony ( a woman) is always actively busy to attract more women. In this case, she gave an extra present to the female graduates.
Most women in the audience did not like this extra attention on gender, partially because the well-meant gift did cast a troublesome light on the rest of the ceremony. Before the gifts, each professor gave a short speech on their pupils, and the extra gift did leave the feeling that the preceding speech, and by extension the actual graduation itself, had been a bit nicer to the female candidates than they would have been to male candidates.
So the gift was meant to symbolize the extra difficulty for woman to succeed in a man-dominated field, but somehow left a slight feeling that it was actually easier for women to finish these studies.
J 06.30.08 at 10:59 pm
At a ball game a few nights ago a freind was praising her husband for all the “help” he did around the house. Who knows he may do more housework than she does but its still her job.
Witt 07.01.08 at 2:27 am
At the hospital when my niece was born I was stunned at the lavish praise my brother-in-law got for changing her diapers (instead of calling for a nurse). Mind you, my sister was not in any physical condition to stand up, and she was using what energy she did have to breastfeed.
This was in 2007.
anonymous 07.01.08 at 2:58 am
I am a doctoral student and my advisor is female, tenured, and workaholic. Whenever I tell my friends that I have an advisor meeting on a Saturday, they invariably ask “why does he need to see you on a Saturday?” This includes friends who have heard numerous times that my advisor is female.
I don’t usually bother to correct them, but partly because of this I insist on addressing all unnamed third persons as “they”. Screw the grammar Nazis.
H. E. Baber 07.01.08 at 4:00 am
On a form I had to fill out at Kaiser one question asked who my daughter’s “primary caregiver” was. The next question, a short essay, asked what “involvement” her father had had in her upbringing.
But you ain’t seen nothing yet. In a women and work class we taught I think 6 years ago we had a couple, unmarried, who had a baby. They went through all the Lamaze classes together, were planning the wedding, etc. At the hospital, the functionary who did the paperwork advised the dad not to have his name put on the birth certificate: she warned him that if he did he would be liable for child support. He was black and was outraged because he took it as racism as well as sexism–and IMHO he was right.
cm 07.01.08 at 4:16 am
In some languages that have gendered nouns, genders are “hard coded” into the names of occupational and professional titles, and the names of various other social roles. While such gender derivations are probably pretty well-patterned, sometimes it is not quite obvious how to derive the opposite gender version of a masculine- or feminine-only denotation, or it will sound highly unusual.
(I would suspect that’s true in many languages, but I cannot claim to know that many.)
marcel 07.01.08 at 5:05 am
anonymous @ 8: I don’t usually bother to correct them, but partly because of this I insist on addressing all unnamed third persons as “theyâ€. Screw the grammar Nazis.
“They” for ungendered 3rd person singular in English has been in common use for hundreds of years. Fowler includes examples from 18th and 19th century English novelists, and the OED cites examples starting in the early 16th century.
magistra 07.01.08 at 5:31 am
There are some serious problems around the whole discourse on ‘working mothers’ (even if you take ‘work’ just to mean paid work). While it may be unrealistic to start talking about ‘working parents’, just talking about mothers means that it gets assumed and thus normalised that only they have to sort out childcare arrangements, take time off to care for sick children etc. See for example this column: would an article get written wondering whether a male boss with children would be sympathetic?
Tom Paine 07.01.08 at 6:16 am
Read your post over again and tell me you still thing “outrage” is an appropriate response to this. Genocide might outrage you. Assaults on civil liberties might outrage you. Many terrible things might outrage you, but perhaps a gentler response (irritation, amusement?) might be more appropriate in the face of someone’s facile assumption that “Mommies” would collect children. This kind of emotional and linguistic inflation is a hindrance to rational thought.
Ingrid Robeyns 07.01.08 at 7:32 am
tom paine: point taken, though I would then pick ‘irritation’ rather than ‘amusement’ (it is definitely not amusement, since the accumulated consequences of these gender codes are pervasive in how they structure unequal opportunities, even if they don’t kill).
I’d think, though, that I’m slightly excused for sometimes making such errors in picking the wrong word, since English is a foreign language I started learning at age 14. If you want the English-language blogosphere not to be natives-only, you’ll have to live with those non-native bloggers sometimes writing less than perfect posts.
Dave 07.01.08 at 7:48 am
Naw, kill ’em all! Dirty furriners snarlin’ up our interwebs with their purty talk….
Katherine 07.01.08 at 7:50 am
No Ingrid, read over your post again and then tell Tom Paine to go sling his hook. There is always someone, somewhere happy to tell women that their “outrage” over gender codes and their serious consequences is over the top and emotional.
bad Jim 07.01.08 at 8:08 am
It was a hard slog for my mother to get credit cards in her name, even after my father died, and everything tends to revert: I, her son, am commonly assumed to be her husband. At every concert we attend I find my perhaps overly generous contribution to the local philharmonic society credited, in every copy of every program, to Mr. & Mrs. Jim, Jr.
Tom Paine 07.01.08 at 8:21 am
I thought you were a native speaker, so was more critical in consequence. I guess that’s a compliment and hope you can accept it as such. You write English very well and I enjoy your posts, which are from a very different political perspective to my own – occasionally provoking something close to outrage! B^)
Many native speakers are guilty of this “linguistic inflation” too. Eddie Izzard did a funny piece about it, in which after commenting on hearing people speak of an “awesome hot dog” he pictures an American President asking astronauts what their first view of Mars is like. When they reply “Awesome, sir”, he says “What, like a hot dog?”
harry b 07.01.08 at 8:33 am
Doesn’t the “What to expect” series exclusively assume that the caring parent is female?
When my daughter was 5 she, in her school journal, wrote about me vaccuuming up my toe and drew a gory picture of it (it was true, but not that gory). The teacher wrote “Well, I bet he won’t want to help out with the vaccuuming any more”. To be fair, my daughter found the comment completely incomprehensible until she clevelry said “Dad, you’d better stop helping yourself out with the vaccuuming”.
Ingrid Robeyns 07.01.08 at 1:05 pm
I’ve deleted a comment that was in the moderation queue, since it violated “our comments policy”:https://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/26/ct-policy-on-trolls-sockpuppets-and-other-pests/ on several accounts. I think in those two years I’ve been here at CT this is the second or third time I do this. For me it shows how difficult it is for some people to have a rational and reasonable debate about gender issues.
The weakest link 07.01.08 at 1:08 pm
Gender codes that underpin systems of gross inequality at the heart of patriarchy do support behaviors that cause physical harm and occasionally kill. And that IS outrageous.
Ragtime 07.01.08 at 2:35 pm
In today’s legal junk mail. Pennsylvania Bar Institute presents: “Managing Intermittent Leave & Other Hot Family and Medical Leave Act Issues.” (3 CLE Credits! 3 Convenient Locations! Lunch included!)
Here are the illustrations on the pamphlet:
Cover:
1. WOMAN sitting at desk with computer, frowning, hand pressed to her hand (migraines? depression?)
2. Young WOMAN helping elderly WOMAN walk with new crutches. (Responsibility for aging parents?)
3. Young MAN with collared shirt with arm around young WOMAN in hospital gown holding newborn baby. (maternity/ paternity (?) leave)
Inside:
4. Young WOMAN in business suit assisting young MAN (also in a business suit) walking with the assistance of a walker. (Injured employee? Caregiver wife?)
5. Young WOMAN playing cootchie-coo with newborn baby. (Maternity leave)
6. Young black WOMAN reading a book to elderly Asian WOMAN. (No idea. Sick mother-in-law?)
7. Healthy MAN in suit and teen son standing behind WOMAN in wheelchair. (Injured woman? Caregiver husband for injured wife?)
So, the Gender Code asks: Who needs Intermittently Leave and FMLA? Primarily women, apparently. The final tally is four “all women” pictures and three “both genders” pictures, where it is unclear which gender (or if both) is missing time from work.
Some pictures of the men are ambiguous, but of the three men pictured, two are in business suits (ready for work!) and one is the daddy who may need to take some time off (but probably not as much as mommy.) The women are more casually dressed, clearly taking the whole day off for their FMLA-permitted caregiver duties.
Bill 07.01.08 at 2:49 pm
When my daughter first started playing mummies and daddies at school I asked her who played doing the cooking, a boy or a girl, since at home I always do it. She said it was a mummy and that she was not going to tell anyone that daddies did the cooking because she did not want to be different from the others.
Mikhail 07.01.08 at 3:00 pm
This is interesting. I’ve never personally understood the big deal about gender coding in everyday life. It may stem from the fact that in Russian all nouns are gender marked, so it’s quite impossible to say certain things in gender neutral… However, i think in reality the “outrage” stems from attempts to be politically correct where it’s not really needed. “It’s the thought that counts.” If something is said in a gendered way to affront someone, that’s one thing. If a gender code is used just because it’s statistically correct – what’s wrong with that? Take that Italian example – isn’t it true that by far most parents picking up their children will be mothers? So, why is the note outrageous then? Because it doesn’t include everyone? Well, then let’s include uncles, grandmothers, gardians and older sisters, shall we? I think it is outrageous when a father never picks up kids from school, but that’s a completely unrelated topic here.
ajay 07.01.08 at 3:08 pm
mikhail has a good point: how many fathers actually do pick up their children from this particular school? In my (limited) experience of Italy, the language is coded because reality is coded, and it’s no more bizarre than it would be to say something like “If you asked a random Fortune 100 CEO (or serial killer) about this, he would probably say…” because almost all F100 CEOs and serial killers are male.
Dru 07.01.08 at 5:41 pm
On a ship I worked on, I was a member of the repair team, and before the novelty wore off for them I was given the job title of “Repairwoman”.
Sometimes, anyway.
After a while “Repairperson” got used. Then it got dropped (boredom kicking in) and, administratively at least, I became a “Repairman”.
Do I need to say that I thought that sucked, big time? Do you need to know that all the other members of the team were men?
noen 07.01.08 at 6:26 pm
how many fathers actually do pick up their children from this particular school?
Not really the point. The point is to be respectful of others. So we have an example of a gender code right here in the comments. Being respectful and considerate is generally typed as feminine and being rude and inconsiderate is considered masculine.
reality is coded
Nonsense, you can’t be serious. Did I misread this?
Ingrid – go watch Pixars recent movie “Wall-E”. It’s the story of two robots who fall in love. First just enjoy it but after that pay attention to how the robots are gendered. They are just machines after all, how did Pixar convey gender through messages encoded in the movie? Here are some of my thoughts.
Wall-E is rough and square. He works hard and pack a lunchbox, he’s dirty (physically not sexually). He is also an incurable romantic and obsessively pursues his love interest. His hands are thick and somewhat clumsy. But most important of all, he presents his love with a present. It’s literally a gift of life.
Eve is smooth and round. Her voice is pitched higher and her language skills are better than Wall-E’s. Her temper can be lethal. Her movements are refined and graceful whereas Wall-E is awkward and comical. When she accepts Wall-E’s gift she immediately goes into new state where she is unavailable to Wall-E’s romantic advances.
Cartoons and the newer 3d cartoon animation movies are good sources for understanding how gender is communicated. The classic example would be Mickey and Minne Mouse. Minne is just Mickey in drag. I guess drag would be the lowest common denominator here.
With more recent movies the characters are not always obviously male or female to just look at them. Which characters in Ice Age or Madagascar are male or female? How is that communicated?
Back to real life how our lives are gendered is encoded in every waking moment. We give ourselves gendered messages to re-enforce our own sense of what gender we belong to. Change those messages and you change your gender.
How one dresses is of course the first thing someone notices followed rapidly by one’s voice. We decide on a stranger’s gender within the first 5 seconds or so. But it isn’t just drag and it isn’t just a high pitched voice. These days men and women dress kind of the same except for special occasions. Paying attention to the small gendered signs in casual dress is important. Speech is also important, women don’t just speak in a slightly higher register. We speak differently. There is more inflection, more of a sing song quality (at least here in the West). Women tend to articulate their words more clearly paying attention to the t’s and s’s at the ends. Men tend to slur or mumble their words more. Women also tend to raise the ends of their sentences slightly making it more plaintive where men tend to clip their sentences making them more declarative.
Gender is also signaled by how we relate to others in a group. Next time you’re out with friends of mixed gender notice the group dynamics. Men tend to dominate conversations and will not always wait for the other to finish speaking before talking. We are all probably familiar with these examples but also pay attention to movement and personal space. Women tend to occupy a smaller space where men will spread out physically grabbing more territory. Men also tend to have large broad movements both walking and sitting in company.
And I’ve barely scratched the surface.
Ingrid Robeyns 07.01.08 at 6:41 pm
ajay, I think that in the present context it would come at no cost to state a message to “parents”, or, as is often the case in the Netherlands, to “parents and caretakers”. It doesn’t matter whether there is only one father (which there obviously was, since the person who reported this story was a father) or whether there were more.
messages such as those in this Italian school are not ment to describe a ‘statistical fact, but rather to ‘normalise’, in a normative sense, a situation that is insulting to some (namely to fathers who want to be regarded as equally capable and concerend parents, and to mothers who do not want to be a mother on the public assumption that they will be the primary or only parent).
The study/book I thought I should write is motivated precisly by the fact that (1) many people do not notice these gender codes in public lives and interpersonal communications, and (2) they do not see how these codes provide normative messages to our lives. I appreciate Mikhail’s and ajay’s contributions, yet they also show to me that there is a need for such a book to be written. For those who studied gender studies (whether interdisciplinary or within one discipline), and probably also for most or all sociologists, the content of my post may have been ‘nothing new to report’ — yet I think this discussion shows that there is a need to detail the normative effects of such gender codes.
emma 07.01.08 at 6:50 pm
I think a gender code diary is a great idea, as it’s the sort of thing I get irritated at but then forget the specifics of quite quickly!
One thing that springs to mind is the baby/children’s goods chain in the UK called “mothercare”. So strangely outdated.
Witt 07.01.08 at 7:04 pm
I thought of another one: The prevalence of “mother’s maiden name” as password question for credit cards, etc. Apparently it did not occur to the codemakers that this is not a super-secret password for children who might have their mother’s last name, or have hyphenated mother’s name-father’s name.
Dave 07.02.08 at 8:24 am
@29, “mothercare” kind of depends – since their core business is the appurtenances of childbearing, which, alas, we gender-heroes of the new-male age have not yet managed to share in its entirety. I’m willing to consider gender-neutral uses for disposable post-partum undergarments, cracked nipple cream and breast-pumps, but I’m not holding my breath…
ajay 07.02.08 at 11:13 am
noen: They are just machines after all, how did Pixar convey gender through messages encoded in the movie? Here are some of my thoughts.
Wall-E is rough and square. He works hard and pack a lunchbox, he’s dirty (physically not sexually). He is also an incurable romantic and obsessively pursues his love interest. His hands are thick and somewhat clumsy. But most important of all, he presents his love with a present. It’s literally a gift of life.
Eve is smooth and round. Her voice is pitched higher and her language skills are better than Wall-E’s. Her temper can be lethal. Her movements are refined and graceful whereas Wall-E is awkward and comical. When she accepts Wall-E’s gift she immediately goes into new state where she is unavailable to Wall-E’s romantic advances.
I haven’t seen the film yet, and I’m not an expert on analysing literature and gendering and things, so I may be being stupid, but judging by the reviews, you missed out a couple of little clues:
Wall-E has a man’s name and is voiced by a male actor;
Eve has a woman’s name and is voiced by a female actor.
ajay 07.02.08 at 11:16 am
(amended to make quote clearer)
noen: “They are just machines after all, how did Pixar convey gender through messages encoded in the movie? Here are some of my thoughts.
Wall-E is rough and square. He works hard and pack a lunchbox, he’s dirty (physically not sexually). He is also an incurable romantic and obsessively pursues his love interest. His hands are thick and somewhat clumsy. But most important of all, he presents his love with a present. It’s literally a gift of life.
Eve is smooth and round. Her voice is pitched higher and her language skills are better than Wall-E’s. Her temper can be lethal. Her movements are refined and graceful whereas Wall-E is awkward and comical. When she accepts Wall-E’s gift she immediately goes into new state where she is unavailable to Wall-E’s romantic advances.”
I haven’t seen the film yet, and I’m not an expert on analysing literature and gendering and things, so I may be being stupid, but judging by the reviews, you missed out a couple of little clues:
Wall-E has a man’s name and is voiced by a male actor;
Eve has a woman’s name and is voiced by a female actor.
tom 07.02.08 at 5:03 pm
in the czech language (and many others i assume) the gendered (engendered?) grammar system directly relates to etiquette. of course, many men would be insulted if you call them a ‘she’, and various things like that. however, it gets confusing when various nouns and such take on genders that mustn’t be mixed up for fear of being rude.
i can imagine it must be extremely difficult for transgendered persons in these societys, or for their friends whom don’t necessarily know how to address them – as far as i know, there is no gender-neutral pronoun.
tps12 07.02.08 at 5:06 pm
At Mets games they play a little “Meet the Mets” sing-along video that includes the lines “Bring the kids/Bring the wife.” Cuz wives don’t watch baseball unless they’re brung.
I’m sure the video’s been around for years, but it was still amusing.
Righteous Bubba 07.02.08 at 5:37 pm
A few years ago when I was in Egypt the popular show featured a fat man dressed as a woman, and he did Candid Camera-type routines. Women in Egypt are given latitude in matters of manners (if not in more meaningful areas) so the shtick for the guy to be as irritating as possible to some poor sap in a public place until matters came to a head and then an accomplice would walk by and pull off the wig. Those pranked were generally shocked into speechlessness.
Dru 07.02.08 at 6:30 pm
@34: Transgendered persons, either in Czechoslovakia or elsewhere, don’t need a gender neutral pronoun, as they are not gender neutral (unless you delve into genderqueer land where some folk favour the use of ‘zie’, etc… but let’s not go there)
clew 07.02.08 at 7:08 pm
The enforcement of Hollywood gender in animated movies drives me up the wall; e.g., the female penguin who had to have eyelashes and a narrow waist and feather-shading — and a little volumetric hint — at mammaries.
On a BIRD. For that matter, a narrow waist in a penguin is probably sign of hideous reproductive unfitness. Poor thing! Feed her up!
Most of the rats in Ratatouille were coded male, which isn’t how they thrive so well in reality.
I didn’t see either of the movies with a lot of bees, but was told that the workers were male in at least one of them…
Or, possibly, we should be interpreting this as slippage between the codes and biology. After all, the NYT recently had an article on the (vanishing) Albanian custom of ‘sworn virgins’ who live as men in an extremely assertive, not to say lethally violent and physically tiring, culture; it’s clearly said that when out of their home town the bio-women were seen as men. They are re-coded. (There’s also a hint that women have to work as hard physically as men anyway, they just don’t get fed as well.)
noen 07.02.08 at 9:53 pm
Ajay
Wall-E has a man’s name and is voiced by a male actor;
Sure but a name is not sufficient. What I was getting at is gender is a performance. One that is coded in almost everything we do even when we are alone.
J 07.03.08 at 12:41 am
I (a woman) once sat in an airplane seat with my knees far enough apart that they went into the other seat’s space and I put my arm on our communal arm rest. Then I didn’t budge for an hour or so. The guy sitting next to me was visibly upset and seemed not to know how to deal with it. He couldn’t/didn’t say anything but it seemed to me that he was made very uncomfortable by my not taking the standard female stance of shrinking to make room for my seatmate. I have to say that I too was made uncomfortable with taking more than my “fair share” of the space – violating my own internal gender behavior norms was weird and hard.
Mikhail 07.03.08 at 11:27 am
… without passing judgement on the article or the author, I like the conclusion:
“Feminism Past and Present: Ideology, Action, and Reform” – http://www.bu.edu/arion/Paglia%2016-1.html
“… But we must stop seeing everything in life through the narrow lens of gender. If women expect equal treatment in society, they must stop asking for infantilizing special protections. With freedom comes personal responsibility.”
Dru 07.04.08 at 5:21 am
…and some people use their freedom to oppress other people. In a responsible way, presumably.
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