Rock and roll all night

by Ted on July 9, 2004

The local alt-weekly, the Houston Press, has a good piece about the woes of the summer’s major concert tours. They do a good job of laying out all the fees in going to see (say) Kid Rock, concluding:

So let’s say you plan to take a date to go see the Kid. That’s $56 for two tickets, plus $42.15 in fees, of which Ticketmaster takes $18.15 and the Woodlands folks $24. Ring-ring, that’s $98.15, please, all before your first expensive beer or soggy nacho…

What other industry delivers so little for so much? Imagine if restaurants started operating like this. A parking lot attendant demands ten bucks for the right to stash your ride about a half-mile from the door. The maître d’ searches all your bags, confiscates a bottle of water, demands one bribe to seat you, and then another to “process” the bribe he just accepted, and then tells you to go sit on a patch of grass outside. If you want chairs, that’ll be extra. The kitchen bills you for the use of their facilities, and you have to pay your bill up front. Then the waiter brings your order to another table — you can look at it, but don’t get too close! Only those who have paid much, much more than you for far better tables are allowed to really dig in. If you are unlucky enough to be seated outside and it starts to rain, the owner comes over and charges you ten bucks per person to come inside. And then everybody gets thrown out on their ear at 11 sharp, whether they’re done with their meal or not.

Is it any wonder that people would much rather go out to eat, or go to a ball game or a strip club — anything other than a concert? As one poster put it recently on velvetrope.com , “If I go to a restaurant and spend $200, I get treated like royalty. If I go to a concert and do the same, I get treated like cattle.”

At this point, I’d like to point out how going to small rock clubs is a much better experience than large arena shows. I’d like to, but my heart really isn’t in it.

If restaurants worked like rock clubs, you wouldn’t end up paying the restaurant for parking. The average restaurant would have about a dozen parking spaces, so you’d find your own parking a few blocks away (depending on your city). The restaurant would have seats for maybe one in ten people. The price of your dinner would be quite reasonable and include multiple courses. Unfortunately, you wouldn’t have the option of skipping the appetizers. Quality would vary wildly. Each course would take about forty-five minutes to clear, so you would be lucky to start your entree by 11:30, or to get home by 1:00. The restaurant would occasionally be outstanding, but it would be awfully hard to get up for work the next morning.

I can’t stay up until 1:00 on a regular basis anymore. At thirty, I often feel like I’m in the oldest 5% of fans at the rock shows I manage to attend. I know that my old-man-smell might scare the kids, but come on. It would be nice if clubs remembered that people like me were eager to give them our money.

{ 19 comments }

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jw 07.09.04 at 9:24 pm

Spoken like a true tricenarian coming to the realization that indie rock is indeed a young folks’ game. I saw Juliana Hatfield last night — and it was great! — but I am dragging serious ass today. I just can’t do stuff like that with any regularity nowadays.

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Ted Barlow 07.09.04 at 9:56 pm

I think I’m in love with the word “tricenarian”.

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Greg 07.09.04 at 10:01 pm

I just turned 30. My last rock show was Quasi and Hella, at the Knitting Factory in lower Manhattan. I wore thick-framed glasses, an ironic t-shirt, and a distracted attitude. But I still felt like I was spying on someone else’s scene. Oh well; there’ll always be Wilco shows…

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Mark 07.09.04 at 10:14 pm

I long ago gave up on Enormodome shows for similar reasons—why pay a fortune to be treated like an asshole.

On top of that I could never hear a damned thing between the ousy amplification and the rules that require the audience to scream all the time.

As for the small venues I got tired of sweating like a pig and dealing with the same sound problems (usually minus the screaming).

Fortunately I am also a classical and jazz fan so I can still see live stuff.

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djw 07.09.04 at 11:28 pm

In Seattle, a loosening of draconian liquor laws has allowed bars to start doing all ages shows as long as they are over by a certain time (10:00, mabye 10:30). If you don’t mind being surrounded by an even younger crowd, this certainly helps.

When I go to a regular show, I buy my ticket, ask the bouncer when the band or bands I want to see are coming on, get a hand-stamp and head for a nice, comfortable pub where I can read a book or chat with friends over a few beers. Standing in a crowded sweaty room is fine for 1-2 hours, but a bit taxing for any longer than that. This approach generally works well.

Now, if we could just get smoking banned, we’d be all set.

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agm 07.10.04 at 12:43 am

Hail fellow Houston resident. I’d agree with Mark on this one. The only show I’ve gotten to seen in Houston is Annie Lin, but back home I saw a lot of jazz, classical, mariachi, pretty much anything in town other than rock. They were usually much more enjoyable, especially in a group, because in those environs it’s actually plausible to sit together and, god forbid, actually be able to hear the music or each other (not to mention being able to hear at all afterwards).

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norbizness 07.10.04 at 1:05 am

Yes, but the Cynthia Mitchell Woods Pavilion will always be a source of fond memories for me, including getting baked with all ages at the epic Procol Harum / Jethro Tull concert back in the day.

Personally, I say we levy an additional 25% dumbshit tax to people who want to go to Kid Rock in the first place.

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duaneg 07.10.04 at 1:20 am

I’ve been going to a lot of gigs recently — just got back from one an hour ago, actually (Jimmy Cliff, who was amazing). While each act obviously has a certain core constituency, I’ve been really impressed with the diversity at all of them. Bands like The Von Bondies and The Datsuns seem to have plenty of middle-aged and older fans, while Buddy Guy and Jimmy Cliff certainly have lots of young admirers.

I strongly disagree with the idea that gigs are expensive, at least compared with other live entertainment. Sure, big stadium shows might be over-priced and joyless, and frankly you couldn’t pay me to see Kid Rock, but I had a great time seeing the Chillis play Hyde Park and have seen a couple of good gigs at Wembley. Medium sized venues are good if you are prepared to get there 15-30 minutes early and queue for a place at the front. Tonght I was front row centre stage at the Shepherds Bush Empire, watching an amazing musician play an incredible show, all for £18. There is nothing like being a metre away from a band playing an intense gig. The standing around can be a bummer, but there are usually cool people to chat to. At the very least it is always amusing checking out the fashion amongst the younger crowd.

Live music is a wonderful thing. Find yourself a good intimate venue, preferably local, then watch the listings. Talk to the people who work there and get recommendations. Look up the acts you’ve never heard of on the ‘net. Of course it really helps if you live in a place like London.

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Shamhat 07.10.04 at 1:29 am

“Fortunately I am also a classical and jazz fan so I can still see live stuff.”

Yeah, pay $40 cover each and eat the overpriced dinner quickly, because the set only lasts 45 minutes and if you want to stay it will be another $40.

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Nabakov 07.10.04 at 5:22 am

The sex and drugs are great but I could do without the rock and roll.

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JP 07.10.04 at 6:34 am

If you’re willing to spend 98 bucks to go see Kid Rock, you probably deserve to get ripped off.

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Ginger 07.10.04 at 2:22 pm

I have never understood why people go to see shows at the big arenas in Houston when they can go see great stuff at the Duck. Not only is it cheaper, but the music is good, and the venue is fantastic (top 10 national folk venue). For $100, you’ve eaten, seen good music, and had drinks. Maybe you’ve bought a CD.

And we’ve been to the Knitting Factory and the Bowery Ballroom since we moved to NYC, and we’re older and crankier and tireder than you, so I’m not sure it’s an age thing. I hated getting ripped off before I turned 30.

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Lawrence L. White 07.10.04 at 5:02 pm

As far as the old man among the nation’s youth thing, that’s why I catch Guided By Voices every time they tour. I know there’s at least one other guy in the room who’s my age.

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Scott Spiegelberg 07.10.04 at 10:29 pm

I strongly disagree with the idea that gigs are expensive, at least compared with other live entertainment.

I’m uncertain about British usage, but on this side a gig is a job for a musician, not a show to see. So the musician can say that he went to a gig, but the audience can’t say they went to a gig.

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godoggo 07.11.04 at 4:11 am

yes, they can

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duaneg 07.11.04 at 5:35 pm

In British usage the audience “goes to a gig”, however “gigging” (sp?) is something only musicians do.

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laura 07.11.04 at 9:28 pm

I hate clubs where you have to stand. I have not been to a big arena show in years (um, Guns N’ Roses with Metallica, I think?). Happily, these days most of the bands I want to see are in theaters around 2,000-5,000, and those places do tend to treat you pretty well and not to be outrageously expensive.

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Charles Kuffner 07.12.04 at 2:20 pm

Ginger says:

“For $100, you’ve eaten, seen good music, and had drinks. Maybe you’ve bought a CD.”

That C-note easily covers at least two people, in my experience. Hands down, the Duck is the best place to see live music in Houston.

I actually like the Woodlands Pavilion, but I liked it a lot better when lawn seats were $15. At $28 a head, I want a covered seat. And since when were blankets forbidden? If that’s a new rule, they’ll never see my money again.

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Anthony 07.13.04 at 12:48 am

The proper comparison for Arena Rock shows isn’t folk club shows, or even small-club rock shows, it’s (American) football games. Are you treated better or worse at a rock show than at a football game in the same stadium? Unfortunately for the music promoters, one can argue that baseball games are also a legitimate comparison, and for regular-season games, the price of baseball is much better than of rock shows.

Small-club (and medium-sized venue) events should be compared across genres – are you charged more or treated worse when it’s a rock show as opposed to rap, or folk, or spoken word, or a movie?

I don’t really have answers to these questions, because my tastes are limited and I’m not likely to go to a football game or a rap or rock concert.

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