The Communion Question

by John Holbo on June 16, 2004

I’ll assume you are an educated person who’s already read Josh Marshall’s post about … what to call it? Bush’s Al-Sadrist gambit: locked in a death-struggle with the forces of democratic reconstruction in your country? See if you can get zealous souls to lay down suppressing fire from the holy places. If you succeed, fine. If the holy places end up getting shelled when the targets lose patience, you cry religious persecution (even if it was pure self-defense) and make hay out of that. It’s win-win.

Let’s consider this issue of Bush’s attempt to “nudge the American bishops toward greater ‘activism’.” To wit: denying communion to Catholic political candidates who take church-disapproved stances on gay marriage, abortion and stem cell research.

I gather there are legal issues. Old render unto Caesar thing. Threats to tax-exempt status. I don’t understand this stuff so let’s move on.

A spot of devil’s advocacy: whyever would you even so much as think it was OK for the Catholic Church to start dictating to Catholic politicians how they can and cannot govern the country?

Let’s try to make it vivid. I’m old, so I remember way back in the 80’s when Karen Finley was a shocking performance artist. She declared that the reason she hated the Catholic church – or had left it, or didn’t like it, or resented it, or whatever it was – was because ‘she could never be Pope.’ Because she was a woman, one inferred. And this slight to her dignity was intolerable. On the other hand (one was tempted to point out) she was also chocolate-covered and had a yam stuck up her … Anyway, it didn’t look as though she was exactly grooming herself for papal ascendancy, or particularly wanted the job, or was in any way temperamentally suited for it.

Of course, you might say this confuses cause and effect. And you would certainly be right. But never mind how Ms. Finley’s mind works. From an orthodox Catholic point of view, the response to such a woman may well be: look, we aren’t exactly a ‘come as you’ are outfit. Or, rather we ARE, but we aren’t a ‘feel free to stay as you are outfit.’ We have rules. If that isn’t for you – well, don’t let the cathedral door hit your yam-filled … anyway … on your way out to join the Unitarians. This isn’t the middle-ages so we won’t burn you in the town square as a heretic witch, but you don’t get to haggle, let alone dictate doxastic terms to the hierarchy. That’s not how it goes.

I take it lots of Catholics feel this way and get impatient with demands for women priests, etc., on this account. Catholic Church: love it or leave it. Anyway, it’s this brittle-hard thought that seems most plausibly applicable against the abortion-tolerating likes of John Kerry. If he can’t follow a few simple rules of the club, he’s out of the club.

What is wrong with this line of devil’s advocacy? (Pardon me if the solution is perfectly obvious to you, but I haven’t seen anyone state it in pedantic fullness with reference to this recent debate.) One could point out that it seems suspicious to burrow into the Bible, then look Republicans and Democratics up and down, then find only the Democrats coming up short.

If you are happy with this answer as to why this whole communion-denying thing is wrong, you can stop right here. On the other hand, if you are morbidly determined to delve deeper, as I am, then the problem is that the church is on the verge of telling John Kerry not just what he is permitted to believe, but what he is permitted to permit others to believe, or at least which of their beliefs he is permitted to permit them to act upon. And many of those legislatively dictated to by the church in this way, by Catholic politician proxy, will not themselves be Catholics.

This threatens to make religious intolerance into religious duty for Catholic politicians.

But can’t the church demand not just that Kerry believe whatever it says, but do its bidding absolutely and unquestioningly? Well, yes. At this point I could ask whether we have learned nothing from the Thirty Years War. Have we all forgotten those pictures of what it was like at Magdeburg? Oh, but I see the Wikipedia hasn’t gotten to that battle yet. OK, you’re forgiven. But it wasn’t just the Protestants taking lumps. Couple kidney shots to Mother Church and, mirabile dictu!, religiously tolerant political liberalism is born – not from principle, but in practice – from a divine mother of exhausted Catholicism, no longer willing to die just to kill Protestants, and a noble father of Protestantism, no longer willing to die just to kill Catholics. As the saintly Mill writes:

But when the heat of the conflict was over, without giving a complete victory to any party, and each church or sect was reduced to limit its hopes to retaining possession of the ground it already occupied; minorities, seeing that they had no chance of becoming majorities, were under the necessity of pleading to those whom they could not convert, for permission to differ. It is accordingly on this battle-field, almost solely, that the rights of the individual against society have been asserted on broad grounds of principle, and the claim of society to exercise authority over dissentients openly controverted. The great writers to whom the world owes what religious liberty it possesses, have mostly asserted freedom of conscience as an indefeasible right, and denied absolutely that a human being is accountable to others for his religious belief. Yet so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about, that religious freedom has hardly anywhere been practically realized, except where religious indifference, which dislikes to have its peace disturbed by theological quarrels, has added its weight to the scale.

But let’s go back a step. Why is a Catholic politician’s opposition to abortion, stem-cell research, gay marriage, the equivalent of religious bigotry or intolerance? Why isn’t it a case of: society has to arrive at collective judgments about certain ethically-fraught issues, and Catholics get to put in their two cents right alongside everyone else’s. Lots of people oppose these things on religious or (just barely possibly) other moral grounds. If some of these people get elected, which wouldn’t be terribly surprising, are they supposed to not vote their consciences? Must they fabricate some ersatz ethical persona to be their liberal public face? Are they supposed to check religion at the door? (And isn’t it a tad early to start worrying about full-blown religious war?)

Let’s subdivide the question. There are concerns about principle. Higher order commitments to tolerating religious difference, freedom of conscience, so forth. What are you committed to when you do a crazy thing like swear an oath to uphold the Constitution? And there are concerns about slippery slopes. If you open fire from the holy sites, exactly what sorts of harms do you invite – to your targets, to yourself, to the holy sites?

Many sources of ticklishness hereabouts. The distinction between freedom of conscience and freedom of action. Presumably the bishops do not propose to criminalize pro-choice beliefs, beliefs in the permissibility of stem-cell research, the desirability of gay marriage. They merely mean to force Catholic politicians to work to criminalize acting on these beliefs. And they want to kick those who do not out of the church. Is this incoherent or inconsistent with the structure of political liberalism? Not obviously, I think.

The question is also ticklish for the way it draws attention not just to what you believe but your reasons why. From a politically liberal point of view – and I don’t mean liberalism in the Democratic party sense – it is hardly reasonable for me to expect you to accept my belief that P on the grounds that Q, if Q is a thing my religion hands down from on high, and you don’t accept my religion. Turning the point around: if I can’t demand that you believe my religion, then I can’t demand that you acknowledge my religious reasons, then I can’t demand that you believe what I believe exclusively on the basis of my religious reasons.

But how are we to sort out actual reasons for believing things about abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage? The human heart is a complicated place. People often aren’t exactly sure why they have the moral convicitions they do, after all. We don’t ordinarily forbid people to vote their conscience even if they aren’t able to produce a satisfactory, self-critical anatomy of their conscience.

This issue is considerably simplified, however, by the circumstances of the present case: if the bishops proposing to deny candidates their wine and wafers aren’t absolutely sure that their reasons for doing so are purely religious, then they do not have sufficient grounds to deny wine and wafers. (If the issue is even in part that the bishops are Republicans at heart, that wouldn’t be a sufficiently Catholic reason for withholding communion from Democrats, I take it.) But if the reasons here are purely religious, then surely that is a sufficient reason for the church not imposing beliefs based exclusively on these reasons on other citizens who do not accept the religion, hence do not accept the reasons.

But does it follow – here we are back at this point again – that religious politicians shouldn’t vote their consciences, if they can’t cook up non-religious reasons for what their religious consciences tell them? Can’t they make the weight of their opinion felt in a democratic vote even, especially if they are elected officials? Must their opinions count for less, because these pious folk are liberally obliged to bite their tongues?

This is a delicate point to explain. Put it this way. The machine of religious Catholicism and the machine of political liberalism frankly do not interlock in totally, manifestly satisfactory fashion. Matthew Yglesias makes the point in characteristically cut-to-the-chase style:

What’s the deal with non-Catholic leaders holding these respectful meetings with the Pope. I mean, as I see it, there are roughly two possibilities on the table here. Maybe the Pope really is the head of the One True Church outside of which no salvation is possible. If you believe that, then clearly you ought to treat the man with a great deal of respect. But then again, if you believe that, then you really ought to join his church. If you don’t believe that – because you’re an atheist, Protestant, Jew, what have you – then the Pope is kind of just an eccentric old man surrounded by strangely deluded toadies.

Anything for votes, I guess. But really, to sit around and listen to the Pope critiquing your foreign policy is just absurd, and it doesn’t get any less absurd just because your foreign policy is terrible.

The honest answer to the question of how these two machines – Catholicism and liberalism – get functionally interlocked is that there’s a thick bit of compressible rubber, if you will, that pads the points of contact where you would expect friction and grinding. The rubber is composed, I suppose, of legs – legs made rubbery through exhaustion from bloody religious war, as per the Mill passage. Quite a stock of this rubber built up in the 17th Century. I think we are still working through that stock, and it’s absolutely crucial to a functioning liberal democratic state that it not run out.

So anyway, it’s a bit embarrassing to say you are doing what you are doing because you don’t have the stomach to fight to the death with an old guy in a funny hat. So you sort of make like you have deep respect for him, and have this higher-order commitment to tolerance and all; and, after a couple centuries of putting on this little act, it sinks in. You actually do really respect him and you really do have this higher-order commitment to tolerance; even if it’s not exactly clear what else about your beliefs has been adjusted in the meantime to allow for this, in all logical strictness.

So anyway, what’s a poor Catholic politician to do?

How do you decently serve two masters: commitment to democratic liberalism; obedience to the church? It seems to me the way this vague dissonance works itself out, in healthy practice – rubber compressing and expanding – is that you reserve the right to assert your religious values, even over your fellow citizens, if you really, really believe it, and it’s really, really important. On the other hand, you commit to letting other people, non-church members, not only believe some things that the church forbids, but actually act on such beliefs. If it’s not so important. For example, even though absolutely everyone absolutely ought to come to mass on Sunday, it isn’t illegal for them not to, nor should it be.

The three issues that are presently on the table – abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage – offer an instructive array of contrasts along this important/not-so-important axis. I understand that some people really do sincerely believe that abortion is murder. I have a hard time quite believing that they really do believe that. I sort of suspect what’s really going on in their heads is a cranky loathing of a culture of sexual permissiveness is wandering from it’s proper station and hallucinating that it is a sincere belief that abortion is murder. That said, I do not have any great difficulty believing that people deeply and sincerely oppose abortion as a very grave ethical affront to the dignity and respect of the human person. Or something like that. I can see that they sincerely believe it’s not a private choice. And I can see that they think the number of abortions performed makes this a serious issue – too serious for them to sit on their hands. So their religious faith in the grave sinfulness of this practice obliges them to go forth and impose their more enlightened values on the heathen to the best of their ability. I really wish they wouldn’t, but I can see why they might feel obliged. And I do see that liberalism has this escape clause, although we all hope it doesn’t get much use. If a thing is intolerable, don’t tolerate it – even if this threatens to shred the fabric of liberalism.

Now, stem cell research. I fail to see how anyone could fail to see that the proof that stem-cell research constitutes ethically intolerable meddling with the human person … is subject to long and uncertain interpretation. (And if someone wants to cut the proof short by means of Leon Kass’s wisdom of repugnance, then they must submit to an equal and oposite recital of how repugnant I find Kass’ wisdom – ergo, on Kassian grounds, I am instructed to reject it out of hand.) Even if there is some case to be made that stem-cell research is an affront to the dignity of the human person, it ought to be clear how reasonable people can see it otherwise. And it sure isn’t murder. So stem cell research seems like almost a model candidate for liberal toleration. The church can forbid Catholic scientists from engaging in stem cell research. But Catholics should generally be tolerant of other people having other beliefs on the subject, so Catholic politicians should seriously consider voting to allow other people to do something they themselves regard as absolutely impermissible, and which they might get denied communion for engaging in themselves.

What about gay marriage? Not so conceptually complex as stem cell research. It’s easy to understand what entities are involved without taking advanced biology. Unlike the abortion case, it’s pretty hard to see that allowing this practice will do any damage except to the souls of those immediately involved. (Yes, it will have incidental effects on others. But everything effects everything, after all. That’s not a good reason to deny people some sort of private sphere, even if its surface is somewhat fictionally-conceived.) The politically liberal part of the church-meets-state deal generally mandates allowing people who do not belong to your religion to do things to their own souls which you regard as moderately harmful, so long as they aren’t harming other people.

Whatever complaint the Catholic church has against gay marriage cuts equally hard against Protestantism, if it comes to that. Catholics are committed to the view that Protestantism is distinctly non-optimal for your soul. Actually, the case against Protestantism, from a Catholic point of view, is possibly stronger than that against gay marriage. Because (despite what you may have heard) there are no gay activists going door to door. But there are Protestant missionaries spreading the word. From a Catholic point of view, this must be regarded as spiritually regretable. Yet it is tolerated.

Of course, the likes of Stanley Kurtz are out there trying to drum up statistics from Scandinavia about how traditional marriage is wrecked by gay marriage. But it is hardly acceptable for bishops to start denying their flock communion on the basis of highly debatable Scandinavian sociology. Yet it is acceptable, though perhaps unfortunate, for politicians to make decisions about legislation on the basis of debatable Scandinavian sociology.

So it seems to me that a Catholic politician could take any number of stances on these issues, consistent with strong commitment to his/her church and strong commitment to liberal democratic tolerance, freedom of conscience, and so forth.

You could be staunchly pro-life on the grounds that this is a serous enough issue that you simply have to push your private faith in the public sphere.

You could be staunchly pro-choice on the grounds that, although you as a Catholic are strictly forbidden, you ought to respect the non-Catholic beliefs of others who sincerely regard abortion as permissible. The Kerry position, I take it.

You could be staunchly anti-stem cell research on the grounds that you just plain find it repugnant. (Not an intellectually admirable ground, but there is no law against legislators being Kassians.)

You could be staunchly pro-stem cell research on the grounds that, even though your church forbids you to engage in it, you can see that it is a complicated issue about which other people reasonably think and feel differently; so you have no business meddling in their private business.

You could be staunchly anti-gay marriage because you read the National Review more than is good for your poor head. And because you find the thought of gay sex icky. (See above about how legislators are not legally obliged to be mature and enlightened souls, like us liberals.)

You could be staunchly pro-gay marriage because, even though your church severely forbids you to get one for yourself, lots of gay people aren’t Catholics and what they do in their bedrooms, and the sorts of mutual contracts they make, are really none of your business to interfere with, legislatively. (Voting in favor of gay marriage could be, for a Catholic politician, exactly like a strict teetotaller voting to lift prohibition on the grounds that he knows his neighbor wants to drink beer, and he doesn’t think he has a right to stop his neighbor from making that bad decision in the privacy of his own home.)

In short, it ought to be left to the private consciences of Catholic politicians to decide how they want to vote, and they are hardly forbidden from finding some way to express their religious faith in politics. (The church tells them what they personally have to believe and do; but they have to decide whether and to what extent they should force that stuff on their non-Catholic fellow citizens.) Josh Marshall links to a Catholic News article – now, oddly, the link has turned non-functional – in which one priest or bishop or official (can’t remember) makes an impassioned plea on behalf of private conscience along these lines, i.e. against the whole ‘denying communion’ idea.

But now the hard-line Catholic smirks: so you want all our politicians to turn Protestant, after all? Letting their consciences, rather than the church, be their guide?

Well, no. That’s not the right way to read it, although this is a natural enough misunderstanding. Think of it this way. When you have a thing like the Catholic church interlocking with a thing like modern liberal democracy, there is no avoiding the need for religious persons, and especially religious politicians, deciding when to tolerate and when to say that something has become so intolerable that one must act, possibly illiberally, on the basis of faith. The spongy rubber of living and letting live will mostly stay pretty spongy, but at a few points it may indeed be so cruelly compressed that it becomes hard and the machines start grinding away at each other. But there are excellent reasons for the Catholic church to delegate decisions about determining when this has happened – when push has come to shove – to politicians. Partially it’s just more seemly if the politicians make the decisions. Then, even if they are imposing their religion on fellow citizens who are not their coreligionists, they can at least pretend they were only acting on the basis of debatable Scandinavian sociology, or some other acceptably secular motive.

But mostly the reason to let the politicians decide, rather than the church hierarchy, is that – as aforementioned – the Catholic hierarchy is inherently hard and rigid. If you tell a hard, rigid thing to take over the job of a bit of spongy rubber, this amounts to abolishing the spongy rubber, because the hard and rigid thing just can’t substitute. As it stands, Catholic politicians are doing to touchy work of accommodating an illiberal structure to a liberal political environment. If this is taken out of their hands, either the hierarchy needs to liberalize or … there is going to me a lot more painful grinding of gears: top-down deliveries of dogma vs. liberal freedom of conscience.

If the church is going to start telling politicians not just what they have to believe, in order to stay members in good standing, but what they have to go out and make other people – non-church members – believe and do, there must be limits, or the liberal bargain breaks down. The church can’t just impose every last doctrinal detail of official Catholic faith on everyone in the United States. Even President Bush wouldn’t like it if the church got so solidly behind him that it tried to force him to go to Catholic mass on Sunday. But what will be the principle of self-restraint on the basis of which this church will advocate forcing some of its doctrines, not others, on non-Catholics? The church is not well-engineered to self-restrain in this liberal way. Conceivably a very few absolutely life-and-death issues could be singled out for attention, with the caveat that absolutely all the rest are to be allowed to slide. If the bishops came out and said they are going to force politicians to toe the line on abortion because abortion is according to the Pope himself a sort of ethical holocaust in progress … well, I would feel sorry for John Kerry on that day. But, on the other hand, no one says you can’t stand up for your religious beliefs – or be made by your church to stand up – if they tell you there’s some sort of ethical holocaust going on. [UPDATE: It occurs to me that you couldn’t plausible exclude staunch, papal opposition to the death-penalty from the category of ‘life and death issues’. So there is probably no way to muster plausible spiritual consistency here without frustrating the partisan spirit of the proposal.]

But once you start just throwing everything in the pot – stem-cell research, gay marriage, which are not life-and-death by any stretch of the imagination – then it looks like the church itself has just gone and made Republican hot-button issues into holy dogma, i.e. they’ve just joined the Republican Party. (Bye, bye, tax-exemptions.) This notion that the church ought to be on call when the GOP’s immediate tactical needs are proclaimed, ex cathedra – call this the Rovian heresy – is well expressed in a bit Josh Marshall quotes:

Karl Maurer, vice president of Catholic Citizens of Illinois, a conservative grass-roots group, said he would add sodomy and gay marriage to that list. Some liberal grass-roots groups have said they believe the church’s teachings against war and the death penalty are worthy of equal treatment.

“Once you open this door, what’s going to come rolling through it?” asked Deal W. Hudson, editor of the magazine Crisis and a key Catholic ally of the Bush administration. “Pretty soon, no one would be taking Communion.”

Hudson said he believes the denial of Communion should begin, and end, with Kerry. Even better, he said, would be if priests would read letters from the pulpit denouncing the senator from Massachusetts “whenever and wherever he campaigns as a Catholic.”

Alternatively, the church could be consistent and just demand that Catholic politicians demand the whole farm. But that gets us back to forcing everyone to go to mass on Sunday, which is clearly absurd.

Well, I’ve rattled on, haven’t I? One last thing. To what degree is this really a slippery slope, down which we are really likely to slip if the Catholic church really starts getting heavily into politics by withholding communion from politicians – or even from voters? If pro-choice, pro-stem-cell reserach, pro-gay marriage forces start taking heavy incoming fire from the church, are they going to fire back, and what form will that fire take?

Obviously we are in no serious danger of fighting in the streets, let alone religious war. But it does seem reasonable to point out to any Catholics who support these denials of communion that a predictable result will be probably permanent discomfort at the joints where the church touches the legal order of the liberal democratic state. The church is not a liberal institution, nor does it wish to become one. Nor does it wish to exile itself from modern society. Nor does it wish to overthrow the Western tradition of liberal democracy, these last couple centuries, and advocate a sharp turn to absolute theocracy. This means the church has no resort but to cultivate what will probably be somewhat cognitively dissonant padding – semi-Catholic absolutist/semi-liberal – between itself and the liberal state. At present this cushion resides largely in the inevitably somewhat conflicted minds of Catholic politicians and voters. If the church forbids its presence there, by denying communion to those who do not resolve the muddle consistently in favor of Catholic dogma – where will it go? I suspect most Catholics don’t really want for some people to start thinking Catholics are unfit for public office in virtue of their faith, which makes them unable to honestly swear to uphold the Constitution. Even less do most Catholics want for many people to think this because it becomes sort of true, even though it didn’t used to be true at all, back in good ol’ JFK’s day.

Or maybe Karl Rove has done the numbers and figured out it’s going to be OK. It’s all good.

{ 51 comments }

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q 06.16.04 at 11:42 am

Nice article.

_This means the church has no resort but to cultivate what will probably be somewhat cognitively dissonant padding – semi-Catholic absolutist/semi-liberal – between itself and the liberal state._

Do we have the same conditions as 1643? What about 1953? Maybe the _padding_ (or compromise) was easier to maintain when the semi-liberal portion excluded stem-cell research, abortion and sodomy. That is, changes in society since 1953 are breaking old relationships – so maybe the padding is out of date. How many Catholic politicians stood on a platform of repealing sodomy laws in the last 50 years? I’d like to know how the padding has changed over the years.

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pepi 06.16.04 at 2:09 pm

I can barely believe this stuff. Meanwhile, we go on pretending that fundamentalism exists only in Islam…

I wonder, if they do end up denying communion to Kerry or to all Catholic politicians not following the official Catholic line on those issues, why not to the people? Why just politicians? Why not have the coherence to excommunicate ALL individuals who disagree with the church on those matters? Maybe because there’d be no political interest or favour exchange in doing that?

What strikes me as even more amazing about this, is that the Pope never excommunicated any Catholic politicians – right, left, or centre – in the Italian parliament, in Rome, right next door. How comes it works differently when Bush, who is not even a Catholic, puts forth a little request for assistance against his opponent? They could not possibly justify such a move in religious terms without applying it all across the board, in all countries with Catholic politicians from any parties, which would totally backfire and defeat the purpose. Unless they just don’t give a damn about justifications and go ahead anyway.

I’m looking forward to how this develops.

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Kip Manley 06.16.04 at 3:10 pm

There is a bishop in, I believe, Colorado, who has threatened to deny communion to voters based on how they’ve voted. Which is about as smart as the doctors who want the AMA to deny non-emergency medical coverage to lawyers who’ve pressed medical malpractice suits.

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jdw 06.16.04 at 3:50 pm

I think your difficulty springs from the mistake of assuming that the Catholic Church should in any way accomodate itself to liberal democracy. You look at Magdeburg and think, “Haven’t we learned any lessons?” The Church looks at Magdeburg and thinks, “The time wasn’t right.” Anyway, sorry for jumping around so much:

_One could point out that it seems suspicious to burrow into the Bible, then look Republicans and Democratics up and down, then find only the Democrats coming up short._

But obviously, to a theocrat the Democrats come up much, much shorter. If your eventual goal is to undo the damage of the Enlightenment, you’re going to make much more hay working with GWB than John Kerry.

_[I]f the bishops proposing to deny candidates their wine and wafers aren’t absolutely sure that their reasons for doing so are purely religious, then they do not have sufficient grounds to deny [communion]…_

I’m not sure how you got here.

_The rubber is composed, I suppose, of legs_

I was deeply afraid that this was going to lead to a bunch of lex, legis philosophy puns. Maybe it did, and I just didn’t get it. If so, I’m glad.

_[Abortion] I sort of suspect what’s really going on in their heads is a cranky loathing of a culture of sexual permissiveness is wandering from it’s proper station and hallucinating that it is a sincere belief that abortion is murder_

I could see why that might be the reason so many anti-abortion activists are so stridently opposed to the practice. But it makes perfect theological sense for the Church to equate abortion with murder — every sperm is sacred, and all that — and, I would think, even if a person wasn’t cranky, if he were a devout Catholic, he’d still need to be fervently opposed.

So I guess I think you’re being unfair.

_Whatever complaint the Catholic church has against gay marriage cuts equally hard against Protestantism, if it comes to that. Catholics are committed to the view that Protestantism is distinctly non-optimal for your soul._

I’m pretty sure the Church discovered at Vatican II that non-Catholics could go to Heaven. Not positive, though.

_So it seems to me that a Catholic politician could take any number of stances on these issues,_

Not if he’s a devout Catholic. You don’t play games with your soul, and it’s not a good idea to die out of Communion with the Church. If the Church has taken the trouble to tell you what to think, that’s what you have to think.

It’s fortunate that there are very few devout Catholics.

_Nor does [the Church] wish to overthrow the Western tradition of liberal democracy, these last couple centuries, and advocate a sharp turn to absolute theocracy._

There’s no real opportunity, right now, and it’s not easy to imagine a situation where the Church could be in a position to advocate absolute Roman theocracy. But I don’t see why it’s safe to assume that even if they could, they wouldn’t.

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rea 06.16.04 at 4:10 pm

The apparent position of the Catholic heirarchy on this is inconsistent with the separation of church and state.

It is perfectly appropriate for the church to take the position that abortion is wrong, and to insist that all of its members agree.

It is not appropriate for the church to take the position that abortion must be illegal, and to insist that all of its members vote accordingly, on penalty of excommunication. That steps over the line, and represents an attempt at religious control of the state.

After all, there are denominations that think the eucharist is immoral, but that doesn’t mean it ought to be illegal.

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Ophelia Payne 06.16.04 at 4:44 pm

And yet it is entirely appropriate for priests accused of sexual misconduct to give the eucharist? No wonder religion confounds me.

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Chris 06.16.04 at 5:09 pm

I think that staunch opposition to stem-cell research is more reasonable than you claim. If you think that human life is worthy of protection from the moment of conception onward, then I don’t see how you can support embryonic stem-cell research, even if you can sort of understand why other people would disagree with you.

The point is, this isn’t a question of letting people engage in some kind of private activity despite believing that it’s morally wrong; rather, it’s a question of letting people kill other people.

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q 06.16.04 at 5:19 pm

I agree with Chris. I am against fiddling around with pieces of human babies: “stem cells”, no matter how small and “insignificant” they are. I don’t need a Pope over my shoulder to feel that life is especially precious. I hope your article was not implying that a liberal democrat would favour stem-cell research!

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Alden 06.16.04 at 5:22 pm

Maybe someone can explain how “denying communion” differs from “excommunication”. To my non-Catholic ears, they seem to be synonyms, just one term has more Latin in it.

And if denying communion is excommunication, is this something Bishops can church-legally do? I don’t know why I think this, but excommunication seems like something only the Pope would have the authority to do.

But then what do I know?

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Walt Pohl 06.16.04 at 5:24 pm

What I want to know is why would these bishops shit on the one major party that has ever nominated a Catholic for President, not only once, but three times?

You’ll see the Republicans nominate a Catholic the day after God destroys Bob Jones University in a fiery display of His wrath, and not sooner.

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Sebastian Holsclaw 06.16.04 at 5:37 pm

“I have a hard time quite believing that they really do believe that. I sort of suspect what’s really going on in their heads is a cranky loathing of a culture of sexual permissiveness is wandering from it’s proper station and hallucinating that it is a sincere belief that abortion is murder.”

I’m not Catholic, so I have no real dog in this fight. But this kind of quote really hurts your whole argument. You don’t take the Church’s view seriously enough to make anyone think that your view on when they should interfere in politics is anything other than an attempt to get them to shut up. And their view on stem-cell research is an even easier case than their view on abortion–and the ‘liberalism’ case is far weaker.

In the case of abortion you at least have competing liberal ‘rights’. You have the right of something living to continue its life vs. the right of a woman not to spend nine months of her life supporting the fetus. In the case of stem cell research you have no such conflict. You have the right of something living to continue its life vs. the right of a doctor to intentionally create human life and experiment on it.

If you think stem-cell research is the easier case for the interface between Catholic thought and liberalism, I don’t think you understand their ideas enough to comment.

It boils down to this comment of rea: “The apparent position of the Catholic heirarchy on this is inconsistent with the separation of church and state.”

This is a completely silly version of the separation of church and state. It envisions a world where politics always trumps the Church even for the members of the Church. If a church cannot enforce Church discipline on its current members for their current public activity what can they do? It is one thing to say that it is silly for the Church to do so in a particular case, it is another thing to say that a Church should not be allowed to do so.

The system has ways to deal with it. If a Catholic politician is ‘forced’ to vote some way and enough people don’t like it, he won’t get elected. Just like any other view on any important topic.

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Drew 06.16.04 at 5:43 pm

I don’t understand why everyone seems to assume that the bishops are really Republicans deep down. It is true that on several issues the Republican platform is closer to the Church’s position than the Democratic platform is. Abortion, stem-cell research, gay marriage.

But I have the strong sense that many, many American bishops would very much prefer to support the Democrats if it weren’t for that damned question of abortion. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is always releasing pastoral statements about social justice that seem more in line with Democratic positions than with Republican ones.

I get the feeling that many within the liberal, educated, elite class in this country really just don’t believe that anti-abortion folks are sincere in their convictions. There’s even a bit of that in John’s statement that he thinks almost no one really believes abortion is murder. Well, it isn’t murder, because murder requires the intent to kill, and you can’t have that if you don’t think the thing you’re killing is a person. But I promise — hard as seems to be to believe — that those of us who oppose abortion really do think that it is as wrong, and as worthy of prohibition, as infanticide of (say) a 3-month-old baby.

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q 06.16.04 at 5:56 pm

Since there will be a lot of Catholics reading this, maybe they can clarify the official/unofficial Catholic positions on abortion: is it wrong in 100% of cases, or are there any exceptions at all: disability/rape/danger to mother, for example? Italians are Catholics, but a pretty pragmatic lot, in my experience.

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robbo 06.16.04 at 6:00 pm

Obviously we are in no serious danger of fighting in the streets, let alone religious war.

Some would say we’re already there — or at least half-way there — in Iraq. Give the fundamentalist Bush four more years and you may perceive “serious danger.”

I don’t begin to understand how the Bishops can deny communion only to Democratic politicians and not everyone else who doesn’t support all the Church’s positions. Guess that’s why church isn’t for me.

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jholbo 06.16.04 at 6:18 pm

Thanks for all the interesting, generally thoughtful comments piling up. A couple quick thoughts.

Did Vatican II decide that Protestantism was good enough to get you into Heaven? My understanding was that it did not, although there were polite interfaith gestures that didn’t quite add up to an actual admission that there are many routes up the mountain. I am not really knowledgable and my impression is likely to be wrong. Anyone care to confirm or deny the rumor? Incidentally, I meant my analogy between Protestantism and gay marriage – which probably sounds unduly flip – in a highly specific way that probably didn’t come clear in the post. Well, maybe I should just drop that analogy as more trouble than it’s worth.

As to Sebastian’s point about my suspicions about what people really believe about abortion being unworthy of my post: again, I think what I meant didn’t really come clear. I think that most people who are opposed to abortion are probably inclined to regard it as wrong – very wrong – but not actually as wrong as murder. For instance, if they found that a friend of theirs had had an abortion in college, they would be dismayed. But they really wouldn’t feel the same as if their friend confided that she had murdered her six year old child because she didn’t feel she could care for it and still live her own life. There is a tendency to insist that the acts are ethically analogous, but I suspect that people – even staunch pro-lifers – really don’t believe in their hearts that they exactly are. Not that they secretly believe that abortion is OK. But really they don’t believe it’s quite as bad as murder. One thing that tempts pro-lifers people to exaggerate their loathing for abortion, at least rhetorically, is extreme cultural animus. That was all I was saying. And I could be wrong.

As to the stem cell research. Hmmmm. I guess those of you who are calling me out are probably right. Sigh. I personally hope the stuff happens for the greater good of mankind, but I guess I sort of implausibly downplayed the likelihood of people sincerely regarding it … not as murder, that’s not plausible, but impermissible meddling. Decidedly not a private affair.

As to the communion case. I have been assuming – perhaps too lightly – that refusal of communion is ex-communication. Perhaps only temporary. The bishops are proposing to excommunicate the likes of Kerry, perhaps only temporarily. I have scratched my head a bit about this because part of me sort of thinks: shouldn’t the right of excommunication be reserved for the Pope himself? Can just any bishop do such a thing? On the other hand, I guess that a bishop who find a drunken teenager in his church, demanding wine as some sort of disrespectful joke, could probably boot the offender out the door. That wouldn’t be excommunication, just keeping someone from disrupting the ceremony. I dunno then. Maybe refusing communion isn’t the same as excommunication. Anyone know?

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nick 06.16.04 at 6:49 pm

Maybe refusing communion isn’t the same as excommunication. Anyone know?

Yep. Excommunication is ‘the privation of all rights resulting from the social status of the Christian as such’ — communio as ‘community’ rather than just the sacrament of Holy Communion. Withholding the sacraments is what used to be called ‘minor excommunication’ until it was abolished in 1884. Now, it could be argued that the Bishops could make it plain that pro-choice politicians were guilty of an ‘occult latæ sententiæ excommunication’, and needed to seek absolution and change their ways, but that’s a bit abstruse. Anyway, excommunication isn’t just about denying Holy Communion; it’s about barring the church doors.

If a church cannot enforce Church discipline on its current members for their current public activity what can they do?

Live with it? That’s been the relationship between Catholics and the Church hierarchy for a while. The congregation allows the hierarchy to have absolute doctrinal positions which are not aligned with their personal behaviour, while the hierarchy overlooks (or rather, offers absolution for) personal behaviour that doesn’t overtly challenge the hierarchy.

The presumption here is that the hierarchy wields all the power. Not so. Dwindling attendance may not have led to doctrinal moderation, but it has influenced the Church’s attitude towards not pissing off its membership. In this case, the Church really does have to address the consensus reasonableness (and phlegmatic character) of the parishioners. Denying communion to a doctor who carries out abortions, I think, would not raise too many complaints. Denying communion to a politician who votes to keep abortion legal would.

It’s actually a delicate balance of power, and Bush doesn’t understand it one bit. Which is why his apparent tweaking of the Vatican and the media-hooring of some right-wing bishops is set to backfire big style.

Since there will be a lot of Catholics reading this, maybe they can clarify the official/unofficial Catholic positions on abortion: is it wrong in 100% of cases, or are there any exceptions at all: disability/rape/danger to mother, for example?

No exceptions, as far as I know. In fact, the Pope recently canonised a woman who died rather than have an abortion that would have saved her life. That accounts for Ireland’s absolute constitutional prohibition, although article 40.3.3 was amended to permit the common practice of travelling to the UK for abortions in cases where the mother’s life is considered in danger, and permitted the provision of information on how to do so. It’s built upon national consensus, or at least upon the majority opinion. (Italy’s law is much more liberal, in spite of Berlusconi’s efforts to revise it.)

Speaking of Italian pragmatism: my uncle has an ’emergency pendant’ which dates back to his youth in Sardinia. On one side, it has a St Christopher and details of the local priest; on the other, there’s the details of the local Communist Party boss.

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des 06.16.04 at 6:52 pm

Say a big hello to the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1914-style and fully unreconstructed!

Holy Communion:

Communion should be administered to all those who ask it reasonably, excluding, at least until they make sufficient reparation, public sinners and such as lead openly scandalous lives.

You’ll be wanting to check their definition of “scandal”, for sure, but this is in no way the same as
ex-communication:

Excommunication (Lat. ex, out of, and communio or communicatio, communion — exclusion from the communion), the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society. Being a penalty, it supposes guilt; and being the most serious penalty that the Church can inflict, it naturally supposes a very grave offence.

I think we’re talking ballparkial non-collocation, here.

(Disclaimer: I am not now and never have been a Catholic or a citizen of the Free and Democratic Republic of the United States of America.

I have spent the last five years learning Swedish, and this post has made me very glad of it. )

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T. Gracchus 06.16.04 at 7:19 pm

Two points.
(1) The Catholic Church in the United States has been through this in the fifties and sixties with divorce, which results in a more or less permanent state of on-going serious sinning by those who remarry. There seems to be no particular urge to exclude politicians tolerant of divorce, although the sin is pretty serious and inexcusable.
(2) The status of abortion turns on the timing of ensoulment and so the condemnation is not exactly 100%. (The current view of the Church seems to be a probabilistic argument about when the soul attaches, which bears on stem-cell research more directly.)

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Paul 06.16.04 at 9:10 pm

I’m of a mind that this whole discussion has more to do with trying to drive up Kerry’s negatives among Catholic swing voters than anything else, but who knows? For an agnostic, I’m pretty well disposed to the Church, but if this sort of practice became common I might very well start looking for a piece of royal intestine to strangle the last priest with.

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Matt Weiner 06.16.04 at 10:11 pm

Paul–
I think it’s likely that the strategy would drive Catholic swing voters toward Kerry rather than away from him, given that 78% of Catholics disapprove of refusing to give communion to pro-choice politicians (as against 72% of everyone). Also, if as you link only 33% of anyone knows Kerry’s Catholic, this’ll just remind them. So your reaction may be shared by the Catholic on the street as well (note: I’m not one).
That’s not to say I disagree with you that it’s a play for the Catholic swing vote–I just think it’s a dumb play for the Catholic swing vote.

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Matt Weiner 06.16.04 at 10:32 pm

Er, “everyone” = “every American registered voter or likely voter or something like that, as reflected by the polling methodology in the thing I linked.” Didn’t mean to be chauvinistic.

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Paddy 06.16.04 at 11:19 pm

“Since there will be a lot of Catholics reading this, maybe they can clarify the official/unofficial Catholic positions on abortion: is it wrong in 100% of cases, or are there any exceptions at all: disability/rape/danger to mother, for example?”

Nick replied:

“No exceptions, as far as I know. In fact, the Pope recently canonised a woman who died rather than have an abortion that would have saved her life. That accounts for Ireland’s absolute constitutional prohibition, although article 40.3.3 was amended to permit the common practice of travelling to the UK for abortions in cases where the mother’s life is considered in danger, and permitted the provision of information on how to do so. It’s built upon national consensus, or at least upon the majority opinion.”

This isn’t quite right. Ireland’s constitutional prohibition is not absolute. It stipulates that due regard shall be had to “the equal right to life of the mother.” The Supreme Court has ruled that a suicidally distressed woman is entitled to an abortion if her life depends on it.

Also, the right to travel to the UK does not depend on the mother’s life being in danger; nor does the right to provide information.

National consensus me granny. The pro-life lobby is hopping mad about that Supreme Court judgement. But it has survived two referendums (referenda?).

As to Church teaching, maybe in principle danger to the mother’s life could warrant an abortion but I have never met a devout Catholic who accepts that such a dilemma arises in practice – morally, it is the doctor’s intent that matters; if an abortion occurs as a side-effect of efforts directed solely at saving the mother’s life no sin is committed.

(I should point out that I last received Communion in 1969, so don’t treat this as Gospel.)

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Bean 06.16.04 at 11:27 pm

Absolutely right that the Church has no obligation to accomodate the more liberal American Catholicism. But we know the Church is in trouble, has problems finding priests — much less priests it believes to be trustworthy. The reaction of the hierarchy to the molestation scandals has lost it a great deal of respect even among Catholics.

So I agree with those who think the Church is shooting itself in the butt by playing the authoritarian role, particularly at a time when so many in the US made wary by recent governmental authoritarianism.

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self 06.17.04 at 12:52 am

Kerry may be a Catholic politician but he is not a Catholic representative. The Church and others are confusing a representative’s personal characteristics with their duties as an elected official. If the Church extends their influence over officials at the expense of constituencies’ preferences then the voters have license to discriminate fully against any candidate that aligns themselves with the corrupting force. Not exactly progress for the Church, they should reconsider their moves.
I close with my club membership disclaimer, although I think I’ll be sliding a bit on the fees in the future.

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Jon Mandle 06.17.04 at 3:29 am

Very nice post, John. But I can’t help thinking that you underestimate the significance (or potential significance) of Vatican II – specifically, the Declaration of Religious Freedom, Dignitatis Humanae. It affirmed, “God Himself has made known to mankind the way in which men are to serve Him, and thus be saved in Christ and come to blessedness. We believe that this one true religion subsists in the Catholic and Apostolic Church, to which the Lord Jesus committed the duty of spreading it abroad among all men…”

But on the other hand, it continued: “This Vatican Council likewise professes its belief that it is upon the human conscience that these obligations fall and exert their binding force. The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it makes its entrance into the mind at once quietly and with power.
“Religious freedom, in turn, which men demand as necessary to fulfill their duty to worship God, has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society…”

Therefore: “This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.”

No, the Catholic Church is not liberal. And, yes, “due limits” need to be explained. But this sure looks like a version of what you (properly) call political liberalism.

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Scholasticus 06.17.04 at 3:36 am

As far as I know I am a Catholic. My folks had me baptized on September 13, 1953 god bless them.
Since I still know how to say a reasonably sincere Act of Contrition, I’ve got a decent shot at life everlasting.
I liked the balance of power comment that talked about the heirarchy living with the laity’s proclivities. What I find astounding is that due to the abortion issue conservative Catholics are aligned with many Fundamentalist Protestants who view the Pope as the anti-Christ and believe that most Catholics are damned. John Locke proposed toleration in England except for Catholics.
When they came for the Muslims I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing
When they came for the athiests I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing. When they came for the secular humanists, I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing. When they came for the Catholics, I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing…
Remember the Catholic Church can accomodate itself to facism and slavery.
Finally, I believe that no less a figure than Thomas Aquinas had questions about when the soul adheres, so that abortion might not be murder. And maybe the Pope is wrong. No he can’t be the Church declared him infallible in about 1875 or so.

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Scholasticus 06.17.04 at 3:38 am

As far as I know I am a Catholic. My folks had me baptized on September 13, 1953 god bless them.
Since I still know how to say a reasonably sincere Act of Contrition, I’ve got a decent shot at life everlasting.
I liked the balance of power comment that talked about the heirarchy living with the laity’s proclivities. What I find astounding is that due to the abortion issue conservative Catholics are aligned with many Fundamentalist Protestants who view the Pope as the anti-Christ and believe that most Catholics are damned. John Locke proposed toleration in England except for Catholics.
When they came for the Muslims I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing
When they came for the athiests I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing. When they came for the secular humanists, I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing. When they came for the Catholics, I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing…
Remember the Catholic Church can accomodate itself to facism and slavery.
Finally, I believe that no less a figure than Thomas Aquinas had questions about when the soul adheres, so that abortion might not be murder. And maybe the Pope is wrong. No he can’t be the Church declared him infallible in about 1875 or so.

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Scholasticus 06.17.04 at 3:42 am

As far as I know I am a Catholic. My folks had me baptized on September 13, 1953 god bless them.
Since I still know how to say a reasonably sincere Act of Contrition, I’ve got a decent shot at life everlasting.
I liked the balance of power comment that talked about the heirarchy living with the laity’s proclivities. What I find astounding is that due to the abortion issue conservative Catholics are aligned with many Fundamentalist Protestants who view the Pope as the anti-Christ and believe that most Catholics are damned. John Locke proposed toleration in England except for Catholics.
When they came for the Muslims I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing
When they came for the athiests I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing. When they came for the secular humanists, I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing. When they came for the Catholics, I wasn’t one of them so I did nothing…
Remember the Catholic Church can accomodate itself to facism and slavery.

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Peter Murphy 06.17.04 at 4:27 am

There’s something suspicious about this. I gather that the Catholic church opposes the death penalty. If they are denying communion to pro-choice politicians, are they going to turn around and deny it to pro-death penalty pollies as well? (And supreme court justices like Scalia.)

I’m hoping the whole affair will rebound on Bush and the Church.

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scholasticus 06.17.04 at 4:31 am

I’m new at this sorry about the triple post.

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Kimmitt 06.17.04 at 5:10 am

I get the feeling that many within the liberal, educated, elite class in this country really just don’t believe that anti-abortion folks are sincere in their convictions.

We don’t because most pro-lifers don’t face up to the consequences.

Firstly, those who allow abortion in the case of rape or incest simply belong to the case mentioned above. A person has no more or fewer rights depending on the manner of his or her conception. But a person who was raped or the victim of incest has committed no wrong, so she should not be punished . . . you see where this is going.

Secondly, pro-life advocates consistently fail to follow through with the implications of their actions, which include:

1) The banning of IVF and a host of other fertility treatments.

2) The investigation of every miscarriage as a possible homicide.

3) The long term jailing of mothers of children with FAS or other drug-related difficulties on child abuse and neglect charges.

4) (more of a stretch) the requirement for any woman who wishes to purchase alcohol to provide some sort of verification that it is extremely unlikely that she is pregnant.

5) (absurdly) the prosecution of every child born for their failure to split into two, four, or eight children when the opportunity presented itself early in their development.

6) (just as absurdly) The prosecution of chimeras for physically absorbing their fraternal twin . . . profound ignorance of the law is no excuse for devouring another human being, dammit!

Fundamentally, holding the position that a zygote or blastocyst is a human being takes you to absurd places. The fact that most pro-life demonstrators fail to go those places means that their views are seen as poorly-thought-out at the very best.

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eudoxis 06.17.04 at 5:25 am

Bush’s attempt at enlisting the pope in his campaign is a non-issue. Perhaps Kerry could do the same. As a Catholic he might have better standing. It’s not unusual for American presidents to seek the advise of influential leaders. Billy Graham must be in illl health this time around.

The situation between Kerry and the Catholic Church, however, touches on what it means to be religous in the present age, the increasing divides between church and state, personal and public, and left and right. I don’t think a charicature and offhand dismissal of the RCC position (and Kerry’s as well) really speaks to these issues.

Kerry’s claim to catholicism may be no more than a cultural claim, but it would certainly be compatible with RC doctrine to deny communion to someone who promises activism in direct opposition to church doctrine. The decision to pursue that, however, is entirely political, if only political to the RCC ends, not American political ends. The strident anti-abortion language coming from the Vatican these days has little bearing on American catholics and, as the Vatican lost an opportunity to assert its voice in the child abuse scandals, I doubt this issue would carry much weight. Kerry can always find a bishop who will allow him communion.

I don’t think the seperation between the religious and political is as great as you imply. People will vote their beliefs, whether those beliefs are informed by culture, religion, science, or genetics. One may be inclined to compromise to differing degrees, but the core issues that one stands for and fights for are directly in line with one’s beliefs. It is unlikely to find a politician who will act in discord with his beliefs if and when they are religious. Politicians who claim to keep their religious life seperate from their public life are making statements about the nature of their beliefs.

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doghouse riley 06.17.04 at 5:59 am

Kimmit, you omit the notable failure of Catholic anti-abortionists to include any and all forms of artificial birth control under the umbrella. The argument advanced in the case of John Kerry should equally apply to Catholic politicians who do not actively press for the removal of condoms from the marketplace.

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q 06.17.04 at 6:17 am

It would be interesting to see John Kerry campaign on the “no sex outside marriage” and anti-adultery platform. Is he willing to endorse adulterers?

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Chris 06.17.04 at 6:32 am

Just to clarify a couple things.

Regarding salvation of non-Catholics. Since the first centuries of Christianity, there were two separate strains of thought on this. There was, on the one hand, a strong insistence that there is “nulla salus extra ecclesiam” — that is, no salvation outside the church. Many of the church fathers attest this belief. On the other hand, there was also a strain of thought (exemplified by Justin Martyr) that held that, since Christ is the Logos, the eternal Truth, therefore anyone who follows that truth is really following Christ. Justin Martyr, for example, in the 2nd century A.D., wrote that Socrates was really following Christ when he was following the truth.

These two strains of thought co-existed for a long, long time. Finally, Vatican II reconciled them: it is true, there is “no salvation outside the Church.” But many people may be connected to the Church who are not nominally Catholic. After all, anyone who earnestly seeks after truth but has not the opportunity to realize that the Catholic Church is the one true Church is really seeking after Christ (the Logos, the eternal principle of reason) and hence is connected, even though he doesn’t know it, to the Church.

Interestingly, this is a major division with traditional and hard-core evangelical/fundamentalist Protestantism. Those folks believe that you must literally believe in Christ as your “personal savior” to get to heaven. That is not the Catholic position (and never has been).

In brief: everyone who is saved is really saved through Christ, even though he or she doesn’t know Christ. In my opinion, it’s actually the most reasonable of opinions within the Christian framework.

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Chris 06.17.04 at 6:39 am

John: regarding your (no doubt correct) observation that we pro-lifers wouldn’t feel as strongly about someone who had an abortion in college as about someone who killed her newborn child. Look, people have all kinds of moral instincts or gut feelings, and those don’t always line up with our considered moral positions. But even more importantly: the key difference is that someone who killed her infant would doubtlessly know that she was taking an innocent human life. Someone who has an abortion has probably been convinced that she’s just having a mass of tissue removed from her body, no bigger deal than having your wisdom teeth out. It’s perfectly reasonable, even for a staunch pro-lifer, to view that woman as subjectively far less culpable than someone who commits infanticide of a post-natal infant.

One thing you never mention in your post: what DO you think the criterion for protectable human life is? Are you in the “only conscious life counts” club?

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Chris 06.17.04 at 6:44 am

(Because I understand the “consciousness is what matters” position — I think I used to more-or-less believe it myself. I just don’t see how someone who thinks that avoids the Peter Singer road where a chimpanzee is more valuable than a retarded human, and it’s okay to kill newborn infants.)

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q 06.17.04 at 7:10 am

Chris has reminded me of something a cousin of mine told me. She was brought up in Dublin by Irish Catholic Nuns. They taught that:
-you can only go to heaven if you are a Catholic,
-people who had never heard of the church would never get there (which she thought was a bit hard on people in countries the church had not reached),
-Purgatory and Hell appeared to be the resting ground for all sorts of “sinners”,
-whistling would make the Virgin Mary cry.

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Dan the Man 06.17.04 at 7:19 am

Someone who has a abortion has probably been convinced that she’s just having a mass of tissue removed from her body, no bigger deal than having your wisdom teeth out.

Probably? Sheesh. Almost certainly not.

It’s perfectly reasonable, even for a staunch pro-lifer, to view that woman as subjectively far less culpable than someone who commits infanticide of a post-natal infant.

That’s absurd. Many white Americans use to view black slaves as less than human. Of course that didn’t mean anti-slave activists viewed the white Americans as subjectively far less culpable than someone who enslaved people of all races. Instead, the white Americans were seen as not simply being evil slave owners but evil racists also. If it really is so wrong when a woman a views a fetus as non-human, then it wouldn’t make her far less culpable for having an abortion (or in the view of pro-lifers, murdering a human fetus). Instead it would make her both immoral and dumb and not just immoral.

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q 06.17.04 at 7:32 am

*** Abortion-Generalisation-Alert *** Just because a woman has an abortion, does not mean that she necessarily thinks that the baby is
(1) not a person
(2) not alive
(3) not hurt by the procedure.

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Tom Irish 06.17.04 at 8:06 am

This is a great piece of analysis by someone who understands political liberalism very well and Catholicism not so well. I have some perspective on the Catholic clerical mentality of the day, since I was in a seminary from 1999 to 2003 (I’ve now left, and am mostly estranged from official Catholicism), so here are some thoughts.

I feel I can safely say that no living member of the Catholic hierarchy nourishes hopes or even dreams of exerting direct influence on political processes a la Innocent III in the early 13th century. Your worries about a slippery slope of politcial activism that begins with abortion, leads to homosexuality and stem cell research, and ends with Mass on Sunday is outlandish, for the simple reason that Catholic bishops have studied logic and philosophy, unlike the Pat Robertsons of the Respublica Evangelica. The argument for singling out abortion from all other issues, including the death penalty and unjust wars, is that these other issues are only conditionally inveighed against by the Pope and the bishops. Catholic moral theology regards the (and here I’m using official jargon) deliberate termination of innocent human life as a seriously immoral act under pretty much all circumstances. There are some cases, like ectopic pregnancies, where “saving the life of the mother” becomes the immediately intended act, so that the taking of innocent life is no longer strictly regarded as deliberate. But for the vast majority of abortions that take place in America today, Catholic moral theology has an exceedingly lucid and simple reason for regarding it as an intolerable violation of basic human rights. For the Catholic bishops, all those other issues do not even come close to abortion as a question that is both deadly serious and conceptually straightforward. (Granted, when you take a close look at the question of abortion, conceptual muddles abound, but that’s true of everything.)

At any rate, official Catholicism is, and knows itself to be, profoundly weak as a political presence in just about every country of the world, at least the wealthy and developed ones. Your essay talked about the rubber of pragmatism that separates the “machinery” of Catholicism from that of political liberalism, but I’d say you’ve overlooked the extent to which Catholic political ideology has died or been defanged since the Second Vatican Council in the 1960’s. The rubber isn’t necessary because there isn’t any metal in the gears of contemporary Catholicism. If you’d like specific proof for this point, just compare the 1983 Code of Canon Law with that of 1917, or compare Cardinal Ratzinger (a theological liberal by the standards of the 1950’s) to Cardinal Ottaviani, who preceded him in the Office of the Holy Inquisition by only 20 years, a blink of the eye in terms of Church history.

Despite all these qualifications, it IS a big deal that the bishops are sticking their fingers in the pot of the 2004 election, with potentially disastrous results. The great irony in my view is that the bishops are deliberating in an essentially political manner about whether Kerry, a professional politician, ought to be allowed to deliberate in a political manner about secular law, and still be accepted as a Catholic in good standing. If the bishops cannot decide whether they themselves have a categorical moral obligation to exert pressure on Catholic politicians by certain means (ie, withholding communion), how can they demand that Kerry both recognize and act on a similar obligation to exert pressure on the members of his pluralistic society to pass anti-abortion legislation? The Catholic Church hierarcy is one of the most exquisitely political (in the Carl Schmitt sense of the word) institutions in human history, and even today it does not understand the difference between morals, which has some deontological clarity about it, and politics, which has none.

To conclude, I wish both pro-lifers and the Democratic Party would moderate their dogmatic positions with a bit of logic, humanity, and pragmatism. Some points to consider would be the following:

One: Americans don’t have a clear agreement about the meaning of the term “person”, and perhaps also “murder”.

Two: it is a raw political fact that Americans will never tolerate the criminalization of abortion.

Three: legalized abortion has many negative ethical implications and many damaging social effects.

Four: the vast majority of Americans do not agree with the Democratic Party’s rigidly and unconditionally pro-choice position, and find in the DNC’s platform not even an acknowledgement that some pro-life concerns might be legitimate.

I don’t see the intervention of the Catholic bishops in election 2004 as a good thing, but neither do I find it surprising, given how poorly the issue of abortion has been handled in American politics.

(P.S. I’m new to the blogosphere; if you’d like to hear more along these lines, check out http://www.expectator.blogspot.com. Thanks.)

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pepi 06.17.04 at 8:37 am

peter murphy – I gather that the Catholic church opposes the death penalty. If they are denying communion to pro-choice politicians, are they going to turn around and deny it to pro-death penalty pollies as well?

*very* good question.

I suppose the answer is no, seen as it’s not even being considered or raised at all – but if the Catholic Church had any coherence whatsoever, it should be “yes”. Therefore…

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Jon H 06.17.04 at 1:53 pm

“Anyway, it didn’t look as though she was exactly grooming herself for papal ascendancy, or particularly wanted the job, or was in any way temperamentally suited for it.”

Oh, I don’t know. There are popes in whose term a yam up their whatsit would be the sign that the party’s going fairly well.

Then there’s pope Stephen VII who had his 8 months dead predecessor brought from the tomb, dressed in the papal robes, propped up in his throne, provided with counsel, and “tried”. Upon “conviction”, three fingers were cut off, the body was stripped and thrown to the crowd outside, who tossed it in the Tiber.

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Jon H 06.17.04 at 1:58 pm

“Anyway, it didn’t look as though she was exactly grooming herself for papal ascendancy, or particularly wanted the job, or was in any way temperamentally suited for it.”

Oh, I don’t know. There are popes in whose term a yam up their whatsit would be the sign that the party’s going fairly well.

Then there’s pope Stephen VII who had his 8 months dead predecessor brought from the tomb, dressed in the papal robes, propped up in his throne, provided with counsel, and “tried”. Upon “conviction”, three fingers were cut off, the body was stripped and thrown to the crowd outside, who tossed it in the Tiber.

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zippy 06.17.04 at 4:14 pm

Also, an interview with Karen Finley who didn’t do what wasn’t stated with a yam, in fact.

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Chris 06.17.04 at 6:52 pm

Dan the Man: I think you’re confusing objective immorality with subjective culpability. Of course everyone who owned slaves in antebellum America was acting in an objectively immoral way. But their subjective culpability really does depend on a lot of factors, one of which is the degree to which they reasonably believed that blacks weren’t humans with full moral status. I emphasize “reasonably,” because it’s so hard to imagine that anyone could think such a thing if he was thinking at all reasonably. But in an extreme case where someone actually had good reason to believe, wrongly, that blacks aren’t people, I don’t think you could accurately call that person “immoral and dumb.”

“Q”: You’re right; I shouldn’t have claimed that most women who have abortions think that it’s no big deal. I guess it’s just very hard for me to imagine someone who actually believes that a fetus is a living human person choosing to have an abortion — but it obviously happens, and it shouldn’t be any harder to imagine than any other kind of murder.

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Chris 06.17.04 at 7:06 pm

Regarding the death penalty. It’s always dangerous when people who don’t accept a belief-system try to critique it from the inside, e.g. claim that it is inconsistent. Often the critic just isn’t looking at the situation from the internal perspective of the belief-system in question.

The moral question of the death penalty in Catholic thought is very tricky. Clearly the current Pope and most of the Church hierarchy are quite opposed to the death penalty. It is also clear that the Church has not, in the past, consistently taught that the death penalty is immoral. From a Catholic perspective, there are several ways to resolve this, none of which involve inconsistency.

1) The death penalty really is intrinsically immoral in the same way abortion is — i.e., never justified no matter what the consequences. Since the church hasn’t always taken that position, it would have to be understood as a “development” in moral teaching: that is, not a contradiction of previous doctrine, but a deeper and more complete understanding of something always known and taught by the church (that is, the principle that it’s always wrong intentionally to take human life).

2) The death penalty is not intrinsically immoral, and could be legitimately used in a society where it was necessary. But in modern society, with advanced penal systems, it is almost never necessary, and thus should almost never be used. This is suggested by the current Catechism (see para. 2267).

3) The Pope is simply wrong in his teaching about the immorality of the death penalty. This is the position Justice Antonin Scalia has taken. Of course, Catholics don’t think the Pope is infallible in every statement he makes — infallibility is a highly technical concept in theology and I know of no one who has suggested that the Pope’s teaching on the death penalty qualifies.

Finally, no matter how you view the Church’s teaching on the death penalty, there are many reasons why the bishops might legitimately treat it differently from abortion as regards denial of communion. It’s laughably facile when people claim, as a commenter above did, that “if the Catholic Church had any coherence whatsoever,” it would treat the two the same.

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nick 06.17.04 at 7:46 pm

The Supreme Court has ruled that a suicidally distressed woman is entitled to an abortion if her life depends on it.

That’s understood, paddy: but since there are no facilities in Ireland that carry out abortions, as far as I know, then that’s a de facto permission to go abroad. (I was reading the ‘C’ case ruling in relation to this.) You’re right, though, that I conflated the findings of the ‘X’ case and ‘C’ case; and you’re right, the law’s a mess.

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patrick 06.17.04 at 11:49 pm

Pregnancy terminations in cases where the mother’s life is at risk are performed in hospital in Ireland. They are legal.

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Anthony 06.18.04 at 1:41 am

From a Catholic standpoint, the difference between the death penalty and abortion is innocence. Abortion is taking of innocent human life, while the death penalty is usually not. Thus it is perfectly reasonable, within Catholic thought, to believe that the death penalty is moral in general, provided that there are sufficient safeguards against execution of the innocent and that the death penalty is only applied for homicide.

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Danny Yee 06.19.04 at 4:50 am

How about excommunicating anyone who votes for leaders who supported an aggressive war that failed to meet the Church’s “just war” criteria?

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