Battletipjar Galactica

by John Holbo on January 14, 2006

Amazon just slapped a 35% off sticker on Battlestar Galactica, season 1. That means I finally get to learn what the fuss is about. Right after Belle and I finish Lost, season 1 (also 35% off.) Strictly to boost my Amazon associates revenue, let me note a whole bunch of DVD’s marked down 50%: Anime series and Anime feature films. Was Steamboy as bad as they said? Does anyone know anything about this intriguing little fella? You can get quite a bit of Disney Pixar stuff. Plus other stray goodness: Close Encounters plus 2001: A Space Odyssey together for less than $20. But if you’re like me, it’s good TV you crave …

Lots of folks have declared this the Age of HBO, admitted to watching Lost on the train (their eyes were watching pod.) Beauty is all well and good, but after my crassly commercial lede, let’s talk economics. Jim Henley has a post about an article about a BSG-inspired BitTorrent ad epiphany. The proposal: producers could embed a tiny ad where the broadcaster’s station ID usually squats, then let the stuff run free.

Seems relevant to Henry’s bleg for P2P-is-bad stuff; except it’s yet another P2P-is-good piece. Henley’s post didn’t garner so many comments, but I’m genuinely curious what people think. It sounds like a pretty good rebuttal to the ‘yes it works for music, but couldn’t it kill TV and film?’ One possible objection is that "the simple fact that people do not expect to pay for television programs" is not so simple. (See first paragraph.) Does anyone know how significant the revenue from DVD sales is for TV series? (If you check out DVD bestsellers, it seems about half are for TV.) Maybe BitTorrent giveaways would kill that.

Anyway, please feel free to enrich me by buying TV through the above links.

{ 35 comments }

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Dan Nexon 01.14.06 at 11:00 pm

Steamboy was mediocre and had too many endings. Pretty to look at, though. Sorry, I won’t be enriching you. Anime box sets are still way too expensive to justify buying….

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C. Schuyler 01.14.06 at 11:07 pm

I’m an “Agent Aika” fan myself. Yes, damn it, I have a panty fetish! And what a relief to finally admit it! And I just split an infinitive! I’m free . . . free . . . .

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Hektor Bim 01.14.06 at 11:34 pm

Why buy when you can netflix? Seriously, how many times are you going to watch the series?

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DonBoy 01.15.06 at 12:55 am

Paranoia Agent played on Cartoon Network’s Adult Swim block over the summer; I loved it, but agree that (in this case) $60 for the set seems more that it’s worth. Look for it to rerun on CN, or rent. And don’t try to find out what it’s about (probably too late if you read the Amazon listings); it was very effective as a story whose structure and characters made every episode a surprise.

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John Holbo 01.15.06 at 1:22 am

Some of us live in Singapore and don’t have Netflix, although there are some island-wide start-ups trying to replicate it.

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ArC 01.15.06 at 3:01 am

Satoshi Kon’s _Millenium Actress_ was very good; it’s the reason I’ve wanted to watch _Paranoia Agent_.

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Anarch 01.15.06 at 4:48 am

Virtually no anime is worth buying in the US, IMO, because the markups are just ludicrous. [And unnecessary, I’ll wager, but that’s for another time.] That said, I’ve got Big O and an (inadvertently pirated) copy of Cowboy Bebop* and am considering getting both a legitimate copy of CB and maybe another one if I can scrounge the cash (Paranoia Agent, Samurai Champloo, FLCL, Fullmetal Alchemist; Ghost in the Shell SAC ended up too wanky for me, even though I quite liked bits of it).

Of course, all of those purchases will have to wait since I just picked up both the Complete Mr Show — I *knew* they were going to do this, and at a reasonable price too! — and the 1st season of Veronica Mars — ok, that one, I’m just a sucker — so that’s my TV purchases for the season, I think. Although I’ll guzzle down BSG S2 in a heartbeat when it comes out.

* Ordered it off eBay without knowing that there’s a common pirated copy of CB floating around. So common, in fact, that it was damn hard to find the real deal and when I did, I couldn’t afford it.

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Belle Waring 01.15.06 at 5:12 am

I’ve got a Cowboy Bebop VCD set, purchased very inexpensively in Singapore, which has the oddest problem. The English translation track has simply been added OVER the original. One language jabbering at you out of each speaker. (The set is, so far as I can tell, legal – not pirated. Just cheap.) I can either unplug one speaker or, if I am feeling lazy, tip it over on top of a pillow. Works fine.

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Alan B. 01.15.06 at 8:03 am

Belle,

A lot of the cheap VCDs I have give you Mandarin on one side and Cantonese on the other. It seems to be a pretty common thing. A lot of TVs will actually let you shut off one channel (and play the other through both speakers) if you fiddle with the audio controls

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John Holbo 01.15.06 at 9:20 am

Sorry to cross-dress, Alan B. ‘Belle Waring’ was actually me, accidentally signed in as her. But thanks for the tip.

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asg 01.15.06 at 9:41 am

I don’t understand — I thought Henry’s bleg was for “people not paying for copyrighted material through P2P is bad”, not “P2P is bad.” DVD sales for TV series are pretty robust — they’re what caused Serenity to get green-lighted, after all — but if existing DVD revenues depend on people not using P2P to get the content for free, then how does that reinforce the “P2P is good” case?

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John Holbo 01.15.06 at 9:48 am

Sorry, asg, the point was supposed to be that the argument of the linked article is plausible. It does seem like a plausible, ad-supported production and distribution model. Nevertheless, the fact that the author assumes TV can’t be sold seems to constitute a dent in the case.

As to Henry’s bleg: I was giving him more of what he says he’s already got a lot of, yes.

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Ancarett 01.15.06 at 11:11 am

You will not be sorry that you gave the new Battlestar Galactica a chance: it’s simply the best TV out there and certainly the best TV I’ve seen in years.

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Jeff 01.15.06 at 10:55 pm

Be sure to watch the miniseries first. Otherwise you’ll be lost and you probably won’t enjoy the show as much.

Also, if you haven’t checked out HBO’s seminal series “The Wire” do so. I love Battlestar Galactica. But The Wire may be the best series I’ve ever seen.

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John Holbo 01.16.06 at 12:36 am

Thanks Jeff, I didn’t realize that the miniseries wasn’t part of season 1. I keep waiting for “The Wire” to come down in price, because everyone keeps praising it.

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Robin 01.16.06 at 12:53 am

Re Jeff’s “I love Battlestar Galactica. But The Wire may be the best series I’ve ever seen.”

True dat. Double true.

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jalrin 01.16.06 at 1:35 am

Avoid Battlestar Galatica unless you are willing to be bombarded by excessive amounts of sleazy sex (they think it is somehow “character driven” to spend time dealing with the secondary female lead bellowing out one guys name while sleeping with another) and assaultive efforts to be “gritty”. If you must watch it, fast forward through any scene that do not exclusively focus on Mary McDonnell or Edward James Olmos in it (they almost are able to save the show).

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a 01.16.06 at 3:23 am

Finished “Desperate Housewives Series 1” in December, not almost through with “Lost Series 1”. I doubt my wife would like Battleship Gallatica, so I guess we’ll be waiting for Sopranoes or 6 Feet Under to appear on TV.

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a 01.16.06 at 3:26 am

Finished “Desperate Housewives Series 1” in December, *now* almost through with “Lost Series 1”. I doubt my wife would like Battleship Gallatica, so I guess we’ll be waiting for Sopranoes or 6 Feet Under to appear on TV.

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Scott Martens 01.16.06 at 5:37 am

Living overseas, I find that getting American TV on DVD shortly after broadcast in the US has been a real boon, as has video from iTunes. I just caught up on Desperate Housewives and Lost myself. Season 2 of DH is already on episode 7 on Flemish TV, so I’m going to try to keep up without paying; and who knows when season 2 of Lost will get picked up. I intend to get Battlestar Galactica on DVD since no one is broadcasting it in Belgium.

I’m afraid local TV is just not really compelling. The native French version of CSI is kinda weak and it’s the only thing I’m even trying to follow. Paying by the episode or for DVD clearly works for the expat community. I can’t tell you if it’s going to take off in the domestic market, but I dodn’t see how a show like Lost, or Desperate Housewives, can expect to pick up any new viewers without DVD’s or something like iTunes video.

As for anime, does the Amazon.com sale cover Key, the Metal Idol? It’s the only one I would unconditionally recommend. I buy anime from eBay, but I end up getting really, really questionable subtitling sometimes.

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a 01.16.06 at 7:41 am

Just to add to what Scott has said, as another expatriate. I find the DVD experience much preferable to watching the series on broadcast TV. My wife and I can choose the start time, and we can watch the series over consecutive nights, rather than once a week. There are no ads and we can pause if we need to (is that W. crying in his bed?). Since it’s pretty much the only thing we are watching, it comes down to about 30 euro for a month’s worth of TV. At times this seems to me to be expensive, at other times it seems to be a bargain.

It’s become pretty much a truism about how bad American culture is, with American TV being the worst. But I think these American TV series (Sopranoes, 6 Feet Under, Desperate Housewives, Lost, and others) are much the best things going today. Would that French TV could show the same inventiveness and creativity, rather than yet another variety show with has-beens singing “Je ne suis pas un hero.”

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Cryptic Ned 01.16.06 at 10:09 am

I thought Steamboy was really, really good, more intelligent and exciting than Howl’s Moving Castle. Even with the dubbing, it was better than I thought it would be.

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Scott Martens 01.16.06 at 10:28 am

a (cf. #21), I have now for several years been telling Belgians that truisms about American TV are simply false – that since the collapse of the three network system, American TV has grown consistently better. It is one of the clear examples of competition increasing quality.

Alas, the size of the American market has seriously distorting consequences in Europe. It is far cheaper to dub or subtitle American shows than to produce your own of comparable quality. Audiences may (and usually do) prefer programs that were originally made in their own language – dubbing lowers perceived quality dramtically – but the proliferation of commercial channels in Europe does not seem to be breeding the kind of improved production values that it has in the US.

When cable first became available in the US, one of the big winners was Ted Turner, simply because he had could sell the TV equivalent of shovelware to channels that were just looking to fill their time. It took a few years before the market started producing genuinely new programs.

It seems that right now new TV stations in Europe are just buying American TV to fill timeslots cheaply, like early American cable. We have two whole channels in Flanders that do nothing but broadcast American shows and cheap, locally produced reality TV. But, I see some signs of hope. VTM – commercial Flemish TV – is pushing Matroesjkas with considerable success. It seems to me to be a low-rent rip off of The Sopranos – more tits, more ass, about the same amount of violence, less than half the character depth – but at least it suggests that the idea of producing different kinds of TV shows has occurred to someone in Europe.

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Dan Nexon 01.16.06 at 11:22 am

P2P and Anime: one of the hardest issues for me concerns “fan-subbed” anime. In general, I find fan-subbed anime much more fun to watch than commerically subbed material in the US. It is also nice to see the latest episodes without months of lag.

1) The translation hiccups are actually quite interesting for a non-Japanese speaker. They provide some insight into the grammatical structure of what the characters are actually saying which, in turn, seems to provide deeper layers of understanding of the interactions;

2) This is most true in the case of honorifics, which must fans-subbed material deliberately (rather than inadvertently) retains. In quite a number of shows I’ve watched over the last few years I’ve found the honorifics to be significant to inter-character relationships and general questions of characterization. English-language equivalents don’t seem to work very well, and some commercial subs ignore many often crucial honorifics (particular -chan and -kun).

The solution for us has been to watch fan-subbed material and to make a good faith effort to buy commercial releases. But see comment #1 for some sense of how consistent we are about doing this. Thus, we probably contribute to the very problem that deters us from purchasing. On the other hand, our alternative would be to rent from netflix, so I’m not sure how much demand impact we have.

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Ray 01.16.06 at 11:36 am

One difference between US and Flemish (for example) TV production is that HBO has a larger potential audience (on first sale) and an awful lot more money. Producing Battlestar Galactica is a gamble for a US channel, but it’s an enormous and unaffordable gamble for RTE or TV3.

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Jack 01.16.06 at 12:23 pm

Where is the outrage at Europe’s free riding on US investment in (entertainment) intellectual property?

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Kip Manley 01.16.06 at 1:46 pm

John, the miniseries is included with the Season 1.0 collection; it’s the entirety of the first disk. You’ll pop it in and three hours later look up and go wha?

And then leap to swap in disk 2. The first “real” episode, 33, will kick your ass.

The season 2.0 disk set is the first ten episodes of season 2, collected just before the second half began (the SciFi channel runs a weird split-season schedule, which means shows with long arcs get a cliffhanger in the middle), which was a lightning-fast and supersmart move, at least from their perspective of me as a consumer; I wanted more, and could get it, quick enough, and now I’m up to speed with everyone else. (Of course, since we can download episodes from Apple pretty much right after they’re broadcast, we don’t have to subscribe to cable to get the new stuff.) –Anyway: good stuff, and I’ll stop nattering about the meta aspects.

(Actually, a question and a caveat: do you know the old skool show at all? And: its one drawback is how relentlessly straight it is. Plenty of ho-yay, but none at all actually acknowledged except with the winkiest of wink-nudges.)

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Anarch 01.16.06 at 3:53 pm

Plenty of ho-yay, but none at all actually acknowledged except with the winkiest of wink-nudges.

I’ve still got my money on Gayta…

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Ancarett 01.16.06 at 5:37 pm

You guys are so far behind the curve. There’s loads of BSG slash popping up now! Yay for sleazy sex.

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John Holbo 01.16.06 at 7:20 pm

Thanks Kip! So I WON’T order the miniseries after all! (whew.)

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Dan Nexon 01.16.06 at 8:26 pm

Anyone on for a discussion of BSG and Mormonism?

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Matt 01.16.06 at 9:29 pm

Avoid Battlestar Galatica unless you are willing to be bombarded by excessive amounts of sleazy sex
Excessive? Lord, you are sheltered.

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asg 01.16.06 at 9:49 pm

Battlestar Galactica is unquestionably one of the finest shows on TV right now, and definitely the best SF show to hit the airwaves since Firefly (which is all of, what, 3 years ago? heh).

That said, I find it philosophically frustrating (if the Cylon-humans are physically and psychologically indistinguishable from humans, how are they still Cylons? Derek Parfit would hate this show. And what exactly does Baltar’s test DO? And how did the Pegasus survive the Cylon virus that disabled all advanced ships? And why didn’t Roslin just promote Adama as soon as they came into contact with Pegasus? And and and…)

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Kip Manley 01.17.06 at 10:45 am

Slash is but a poor substitute for some of us, ancarett. For a wide variety of reasons. (Of course there’s lots of slash: plenty of ho-yay, as noted, and Gaeta, indeed. But that’s no real substitute for dealing with that aspect directly, darn it. —There’s a moment between the actors that play Baltar and Apollo on one of the behind-the-scenes clips that shows the show’s at least somewhat aware of the deficiency…)

But having slagged them for that, I will allow as how it’s an impressively egalitarian show, as far as the integration of the male and female crews. So bully for that. And one last remark: it’s not the first post-9/11 SF epic; it’s the first post-Abu Ghraib SF epic…

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Jonathan Goldberg 01.18.06 at 8:28 am

Whatever you do, don’t waste time on 2001, a Space Odyssey. I found out the hard way, when the turkey first came out, just how utterly boring it is.

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