Laissez Les Têtes Rouler

by Belle Waring on September 9, 2005

Here are some people who have to lose their jobs, and maybe also get sued for wrongful death. Or go to jail.

1. Whoever is in charge of Louisiana’s state office of Homeland Security, maybe it’s this Major General Bennett C. Landreneau? Whoever it was who made the decision not to let the Red Cross into New Orleans. This person needs to lose his job, and he’s on my “get sued into the ground and maybe go to jail” list. If my baby had died of dehydration in the Superdome, I would be ready to kill this guy.

2. Whoever it was who gave the Gretna police orders to turn people back at gunpoint and prevent them from walking out via an Interstate to a shelter 2-3 miles away in Jefferson Parish. The Gretna Police Chief (Chief B.H. Miller, UPDATE: Arthur Lawson, guilty as charged.)? The mayor (Ronnie Harris)? Again, fuck these bastards. I’m not even that sympathetic to the policemen on the front lines obeying these orders. Is it even legal for local police to ban citizens from using public roads? I imagine there is leeway for emergency situations, but if no orders came down from above? If they did get an order from higher up, fire that bastard too.

3. Governor Kathleen Blanco. I have seen nothing to convince me that she has been at all competent in dealing with this catastrophe.

Officials in Louisiana agree that the governor would not have given up control over National Guard troops in her state as would have been required to send large numbers of active-duty soldiers into the area. But they also say they were desperate and would have welcomed assistance by active-duty soldiers.

“I need everything you have got,” Ms. Blanco said she told Mr. Bush last Monday, after the storm hit.

In an interview, she acknowledged that she did not specify what sorts of soldiers. “Nobody told me that I had to request that,” Ms. Blanco said. “I thought that I had requested everything they had. We were living in a war zone by then.”

Look, I think the feds are hiding behind a fig-leaf of federalism on this one. When she said “we need all the help you can give”, the 82nd Airborne should have been there the next day. Nonetheless, whatever i’s she had to dot or t’s to cross, she could have damn well figured out herself before the hurricaine hit, like, I don’t know, when she first got into office? Likewise, she could have put everyone in the same room and knocked heads together earlier to get some kind of unified effort going. Crying about how you’re dissappointed in looters don’t cut it.

4. Michael Brown, FEMA head. I don’t think I need to say anything here.

5. Michael Chertoff, head of DHS. There was a pop quiz on homeland security last week. He failed.

6. President Bush. There’s no point in suggesting that he resign or be impeached, since I might as well just wish that everyone had a pony. Still, we can try our best to hold him morally responsible for hiring incompetent political apparatchiks to do crucial jobs, and for manifestly failing to mobilize federal resources in a timely way once the scope of the disaster (that includes local failings too) was known. The buck has to stop somewhere, and I think the President’s desk seems a likely place. He will never run again, and the only punishments he can receive will be moral opprobrium, diminished political influence, and a severe hit to the electoral chances of his party. I suggest he receive them all.

UPDATE: I think it should be obvious that I listed these people in bottom-up hierarchical order, not decreasing-level-of-blame order. (Perhaps, in that case, 1 and 2 should be reversed, but you see my general thrust.) Someone who has 1000 gallons of water is more to blame when someone near her dies of thirst than someone with 1 gallon. The locals were overwhelmed and the feds should have stepped up to the plate, not complained about the mysteries of federalism. That doesn’t mean Gov. Blanco magically did a great job, or Jefferson Parish officials weren’t a bunch of racist bastards.

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P ONeill 09.09.05 at 8:56 am

Another form of enforcement of item #6 is to ensure that the remaining Republican media darlings, McCain and Giuliani, are held to account for their sycophantic statements in praise of George W. Bush over the last 5 years. Since they will be running again. For example, Rudy: “Thank God George Bush was our President on 9/11.”

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Hektor Bim 09.09.05 at 9:00 am

Why do you leave out the mayor of New Orleans in this? It is clear that a more competent evaluation plan could have saved many lives, and my impression is that that was his responsiblity.

I also don’t understand why Blanco is more responsible than Nagin. Nagin did a fair amount of crying too. Of course, it’s pretty clear that Bush has done no crying at all, which in many ways is more disturbing.

Disclaimer: My mom carpooled with Blanco in the old days in Lafayette, before her rise to prominence.

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Rebecca 09.09.05 at 9:03 am

This is somewhat tangential but something that has been bothering me for awhile. It seems to me that the press and the blogs are focusing on state and local officials in Louisiana but not in Mississippi. Although the large-scale urban disaster was not present in Mississippi, poor people there were not evacuated and help was slow in coming there too. Why not add Haley Barbour to your list?

My general feeling is that it is open season on Democrats (Blanco and Nagin) but no one wishes to criticize Barbour (a former chairman of the RNC).

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Belle Waring 09.09.05 at 9:08 am

well, hektor, while some parts of Nagin’s “plan” were stupid, I think that:

a) 80% evacuation of a major metropolis and most of the remaining 20% into designated shelters of last resort is actually considered pretty good from the local evacuation standpoint (not that I don’t think it would have been much better to send those damn busses around to get the nursing home patients), and

b) he really didn’t have the resources to command that either the governor or the feds might. it’s not like NO is so rich, or owns shelters outside of NO, or commands National Guardsmen or anything. so, he wasn’t the greatest mayor ever, but I don’t think he showed the same rank incompetence as the others. he got most everybody out, much of the rest of the people to high ground and then started bitching at everyone in sight to bring in resources and evacuation. not great, but not “I want to kill his sorry ass” either.

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theorajones 09.09.05 at 9:10 am

I agree with all this, but I think we’re missing something critically important.

Bush declared a State of Emergency and then went on vacation, and when the shit hit the fan he and his White House spent the rest of the week and this week lying about what they’d been doing and what they knew.

Incompetence undermines people’s faith in government to a certain extent. But lying, deceitful incompetence undermines it even more. And any other institution (the press, opposition parties, or smart people who have a great blog) that fails to challenge liars does a great disservice not just to the body politic, but to their own credibility.

If people believe their government didn’t do its job, that’s one problem that needs to be solved. If people believe their government lied to them, it’s another and EQUALLY IMPORTANT problem that needs to be solved.

If we do not make the deceitfulness its own and separate issue, it doesn’t matter what we do because people will assume we’re lying about it. Imagine trying to evacuate a city with no credibility. If people believe you’re going to send them to a NOLA-style Superdome, it doesn’t matter if you’re actually sending them to the Ritz-Carlton–they won’t go, because they’ll assume (and rightly so) that you’re a bunch of liars who are lying about the Superdome.

Credibility is important. Right now, the President and anyone who fails to call him out, don’t have any.

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Ancarett 09.09.05 at 9:10 am

The sad thing is that it seems as if all the Republican energy will focus on Blanco to the exclusion of any other meaningful reform. The lies that she didn’t request aid or declare the state a disaster area until after the Feds did so (documented otherwise) are circulating widely in the mainstream media. . . .

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Belle Waring 09.09.05 at 9:11 am

I’ll be honest, rebecca; I just haven’t heard as much about the problems in Mississippi, though I’m willing to believe there were many. rest assured that I am quite ready to criticize republicans of any stripe if I hear about how they screwed up. many would probably find your accusation of CT reticence in the face of powerful republicans…humorous.

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snoey 09.09.05 at 9:17 am

I thought that one of the things we learned from Andrew, 9/11, etc. was that local politicians are going to be overwhelmed by major disasters so we should set up and staff a Federal agency full of professionals to be ready to take over when needed.

I’m far less inclined to blame the pothole fixers for being who they are than to blame FEMA and DHS for not being who they are supposed to be.

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jet 09.09.05 at 9:39 am

Belle,
I think Nagin position in your categories should be rethought. In 2002 FEMA told him his city’s evacuation plane was unworkable. 3 years later he proved to him it was, indeed, unworkable. 3 years seems like an awful lot of time to make a corps of people responsible for fueling and staging the cities school buses North of the city so that they won’t be underwater when needed. If you’re going to make them part of the evacuation plan, then the evacuation plan should make sure they will remain servicable.

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jet 09.09.05 at 9:42 am

Snoey,
I thought what we learned from 9/11 is that local and state government will always be the first responders and everyone should hope to have New York’s first responders and not NO’s. To attack FEMA and DHS is to attack Federalism. If you want them to be the All Powerful Rescue Organization then we need to drop the 10th Amendment.

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Belle Waring 09.09.05 at 9:43 am

right, but it’s not an either/or proposition. as a bystander citizen I’m perfectly liscenced to say that people fucked up all up and down the line. I agree that people should be held responsible in proportion to their power to fix the situation. state governors are not powerless, however, and I will not be participating in some republican smear if I say Blanco blew it. if you captain the ship of state, you get the credit when things go well, and the blame when things go badly. it might not be fair, but it’s the name of the game. please note that I think that in a perfect world Bush would resign in a cloud of shame. that doesn’t mean some people in LA and MS didn’t screw the pooch.

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des von bladet 09.09.05 at 9:43 am

Laissez, surely?

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Belle Waring 09.09.05 at 9:48 am

I hear you jet, but I think that if you research it you will find that previous occasions on which 80% of the population of a major city actually left town when disaster threatened are few and far between. I agree that Nagin could have done much better and been a hero. I just don’t think he did so badly as to lay his neck on my metaphorical chopping block.

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jet 09.09.05 at 9:50 am

I know this is a very serious post that I agree with all six points (5-6 only to a degree), but I can’t help but see the humor that sites like AR15 have this exact same thread going, yet couldn’t be be further away on the political spectrum.

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Chris Bertram 09.09.05 at 9:52 am

If you are going to make _that_ objection Des, wouldn’t _Laissons_ be more appropriate?

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Belle Waring 09.09.05 at 9:53 am

fuck, yeah, dvb. consider it done.

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alkali 09.09.05 at 9:55 am

Nonetheless, whatever i’s she had to dot or t’s to cross, she could have damn well figured out herself before the hurricaine hit, like, I don’t know, when she first got into office?

As regards Gov. Blanco, I’m sure she’s open to criticism on many grounds, but I don’t think this is one of them. The precise contours of federal and state power as regards the domestic use of the armed forces are not well-defined; courts generally aren’t presented with those issue and even more rarely rule on them. Having someone write her a legal memo on what might be required to get the federal government to send troops would not necessarily be helpful — there’s no reason to think the White House, DOD and DOJ would sign off on that analysis.

The best I can tell, the President can’t send in federal troops to maintain order in an area against the wishes of the state government without ringing a particular legal bell called the Insurrection Act. The question the White House faced was: can the President the President send in federal troops to maintain order in an area at the request of the state government without invoking the Insurrection Act? That may be an interesting legal question to write a law review article about, but it’s a little bizarre to start worrying about the fine points when New Orleans is hip-deep in hell.

But suppose, for sake of argument, that someone really did conclude that the President had to invoke the Insurrection Act to help out, and was worried about how that would look as regards Gov. Blanco. Isn’t the obvious solution to call her and say, “hey, we have this legal hang-up, do you mind if we do such-and-such?” It’s not clear to me whether that ever happened.

Long story short: the NYT article reeks of federal CYA.

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abb1 09.09.05 at 9:57 am

While on it, why not hang someone for ignoring that “Bin Laden is determined to strike within the United States” memo four years ago?

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alkali 09.09.05 at 9:58 am

Incidentally, my preference would be that Gov. Blanco not run again for any public office. If things go to hell on your watch, it’s your fault, even if it isn’t your fault.

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Doug 09.09.05 at 10:04 am

I’ve no vested interest in carrying water for Nagin (you’ll pardon the expression), but there is not a big-city mayor in the whole entire US of A who is ready for a disaster that puts 80 percent of his or her city under water. Not one of them.

Nobody is prepared for disaster on that scale, and no local government is even remotely equipped to cope with it. If the Big One levels 80 percent of SF or LA; if Rainier erupts and buries 80 percent of Seattle; if a suitcase nuke wipes out 80 percent of DC or NYC; if Andrew 2 put 80 percent of Miami out of action; if — the list goes on — if any of those predictable events happens, the local mayor will not be able to handle it. That’s not blame, that’s a fact.

The definition of disaster is that it overwhelms the people on the scene. That’s one of the reasons we have a national government. Pre-positioning materials outside the disaster area, taking mitigation steps in advance, spreading risk across a broader pool, coordinating resources on a large scale–these are all things that no local government can do, that no local government should be expected to be able to do, and things that the federal government conspicuously failed to do in this case.

And the fact that the Bush I people pursued a similar “blame the local leadership” strategy after hurricane Andrew hit Florida in 1992 increases the skepticism with which I view their current pronouncements.

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Rebecca 09.09.05 at 10:05 am

Hi Belle!

Sorry–my original post (comment 3) was unspecific. I didn’t mean that CT is reluctant to criticize Republicans; I meant the mainstream media seems to be bearing down on Nagin and Blanco while Haley Barbour is getting off scot free.

And he shouldn’t. Here’s a CNN report on the conditions in rural Mississippi, which seem as dire as those in New Orleans. I agree; Nagin and Blanco are accountable for some of the things that went wrong. But, shouldn’t we be looking at state and local officials in other places too?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/09/09/katrina.mississippi.ap/index.html

Rebecca

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abb1 09.09.05 at 10:05 am

Alkali, president may not be able to send federal troops to maintain order, but he certainly can send them to provide every other kind of assistance: to deliver food, supplies and medical care, to evacuate people, etc.

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Belle Waring 09.09.05 at 10:06 am

sure, alkali, but I have to say that if I were gov of LA I might, just possibly, try to work out in advance sometime what we would do if the Big One hit. I fully expect that anyone who becomes gov of California will hold some kind of meeting early in the term where they figure out what they’re supposed to do when “california slides into the ocean/like the mystics and statistics say it will” (to quote Zevon). it’s part of the job description. is it fair that the gov of North Dakota only has forcible rape of sheep to worry about during his term? welcome to the real world, cupcake.

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Morat 09.09.05 at 10:08 am

Two points:

1) Once Bush signed the decleration of emergency on Saturday PRIOR to Landfall, he didn’t need shit from Blanco. The Federal Government and FEMA took all the responsibility for action.

I have no idea how screwed up Blanco’s reaction was, because it’s being obscured by the massive federal mistakes and the finger-pointing from George “I’m not playing the Blame Game” Bush.

I’d imagine at least SOME of her mistake was in assuming FEMA — and regular Army units — would arrive to help out in a reasonable time. Or perhaps in assuming that the Arizona Guardsmen she requested would have their Washington paperwork processed before the THURSDAY AFTER LANDFALL.

2) Nagin’s planning: Seriously, guys, do you think this man can excrete shelters? Has a magical army? What the fuck was he supposed to do? He doesn’t have the manpower to FORCE an evacuation, and even if he rounded up the busses and the people left, where’s he going to take them? Which cities (you’ll need to name at least five) within an 8 to 12 hour drive would be willing to take 25,000 poor blacks BEFORE New Orleans was wiped out?

Hint: “None” is a pretty accurate answer.

While “Tell everyone to leave, and ensure that shelters capable of weathering the storm and flooding” isn’t a great plan, it’s about the best the Mayor of New Orleans is going to be able to do, unless the Mayor’s name is “Jesus”.

It’s worth noting that until late Wednesday, early Thursday, things hadn’t gone to shit. Tens of thousands of citizens had been sheltered from the storm and were dry, and S&R operations were proceeeding.

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China 09.09.05 at 10:13 am

I’m sorry, I’m down with most of this, but Nagin simply cannot be let off the hook here. Nagin signed off on an absolutely explicit plan, ‘Operation Brother’s Keeper’, which proclaimed that the city would do nothing for the poor in this very circumstance. The poor of New Orleans were explicitly, deliberately deserted. This was policy. Details here, and a follow-up of sorts, including truly shocking statements of what the NO authorities were offering (as you’ll see, sod all) here.

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Richard Bellamy 09.09.05 at 10:23 am

Dear Sir or Madam,

This morning, while listening to my radio, I heard an uncommented airing of “I’m Walking on Sunshine” by Katrina and the Waves.

Is there someone I can sue or send to jail for this violation of good taste?

Alternately, what is the appropriate statute of limitations before this song may be played again without the implication of irony?

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roger 09.09.05 at 10:38 am

Emphasis here should be on jail time. That the press ‘gets’ Michael Brown’s head by having him resign to a life of cushy appointments with lobbyists is not satisfactory. The man should definitely be charged. Orleans Parish DAs sometimes have wild hairs (Garrison comes to mind) so maybe that will happen. The evidence for negligence is pretty out in the open — a review of his appearences on tv and what he said should provide pretty good evidence for a criminal level of malfeasance.

Ditto with Chertoff.

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snoey 09.09.05 at 10:39 am

Jet,

Agreed that when it initally hits the fan the locals are in charge. I’m faulting the feds in two areas: coordinating the plans prior – the Hurricane Pam followups that never happened for example, and the rescue and recovery efforts. Hundreds if not thousands died after they had been initially rescued.

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Mark Schmitt 09.09.05 at 10:43 am

Both #1 and #2 on this list have already been discredited and have been withdrawn even by some the right-wing web sites that were trying to promote them, as part of the shift-the-blame strategy. The Red Cross FAQ you linked to is some sort of fake. If you click on “Disaster FAQ” on the real Red Cross site, or even on the left side of the fake site, you’ll get a FAQ that doesn’t include any of this, and the Red Cross has said that this wasn’t the case.

Questions about the story #2 have also been raised, and even Glenn Reynolds pulled back the story. There were many parts of it that just didn’t make sense.

On Blanco, I don’t know that she’s blameless, but she’s not in a position to say, “I need 400 paratroopers, one batallion of infantry, etc.” FEMA’s supposed to be on the scene and it’s their job to coordinate the specifics of at least the federal response.

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james 09.09.05 at 10:45 am

What is missing from all the Katrina discussions is any form of an accurate timeline on aid and activation of different local, state and federal agencies. It would be helpful to know exactly how long it took FEMA to get involved from when it was “officially” asked, when exactly where active duty troops sent in, when exactly was the “official” evacuation order given, and when exactly did officials know that the levy system had failed?

Another topic that is missing is the nature of the city. New Orleans had weathered a large number of hurricanes in the recent past. Like earthquakes for California, many residents had grown used to the risks. A portion of residents stayed to confront the more likely danger of looting (also a common occurrence in past hurricanes) compared with the more unlikely destruction of the city. City officials have always been unable to provide police protection to citizens living in the poorer areas. The hurricane only brought this to national attention. It did not change the reality of the situation. It is unclear how Nagin could have corrected these things days before Katrina.

The biggest result of the President declaring a State of Emergency is Federal funding. The State in question can expect the Federal Government to pay for the call up of local National Guard units. This does not mean the Feds are automatically in charge of the situation. The Feds can not send in active duty military to a state without 1) the State Governers ok or 2) declaring an insurection or 3) the military being wholly limited to resuce opperations (no law order stuff). On the other side, a forward thinking leader would have had FEMA and active duty personel ready and waiting at the state line for the “official” request for aid. One other item. FEMA as a 48 to 72 hour delay from the go order to when FEMA help begins to arrive. This should really be 24 hours or less but its not.

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rea 09.09.05 at 10:59 am

“fueling and staging the cities school buses North of the city”

Bear in mind that unless New Orleans had an unusual setup, the school buses did not belong to the city; they belonged to various school districts, which are seperate, independent government entities. Legally, the mayor can’t simply give orders about school buses and expect to have them obeyed. That sort of thing is why we are supposed to have agencies at the state and federal level to organize and coordinate a response–that’s why we have FEMA.

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alkali 09.09.05 at 11:13 am

belle writes:

sure, alkali, but I have to say that if I were gov of LA I might, just possibly, try to work out in advance sometime what we would do if the Big One hit.

Oh, no doubt. As far as I’m concerned, Blanco should not serve in public office any more even if she didn’t do anything wrong (cf. Oedipus; I like to think of this as the “one-plague-and-you’re-out” rule). I’m just saying that this particular bit of White House excuse-making doesn’t seem to pass the smell test; Blanco couldn’t have anticipated that some White House law nerd would turn a hurricane into a federal courts exam question.

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Belle Waring 09.09.05 at 11:21 am

well, mark, if I’ve been snookered by some fake “why wasn’t the red cross in NO” site I’ll post a correction. I have to say, I’ll still be wondering “why wasn’t the Red Cross in NO?” maybe there is some other reason that what I cite. it seems to me, however, that there were multiple witnesses to people being turned back from the highway by the Gretna police; the emergency workers/labor activists cited at BitchPhD, the people in the article I linked, and an (alleged) first-hand repost in the Samizdata comments, all the more believable for being an excuse for not letting NO riff-raff in.

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Belle Waring 09.09.05 at 11:24 am

mark, do you really think that someone is hosting a fake site at “http://www.redcross.org.faq etc. etc.”? seems weird, given that the main site is http://www.redcross.org. maybe they got haxx0red?

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jet 09.09.05 at 11:31 am

This is interesting. The US Army Corps of Engineers say that the two levies that broke were finished and never part of any proposed improvements, funded or not. Maybe their site got haXXX0r3d too.

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fyreflye 09.09.05 at 11:41 am

The AR15 link doesn’t work. Or maybe shame overcame them and they’ve deleted it.

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Charlie Whitaker 09.09.05 at 11:42 am

Mark, the Gretna law enforcement bridge blockade is corroborated through at least two independent parties giving their accounts in isolation. One report comes via the St Louis Post-Dispatch. The other, more widely quoted, can be found here. However, if there’s still doubt, and there’s a need to interview more people about their experiences, let’s arrange it. There shouldn’t be a shortage of eyewitnesses on this one.

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yabonn 09.09.05 at 11:47 am

that there were multiple witnesses to people being turned back from the highway by the Gretna police

Wasn’t the moustache guy from fow news witnessing this too?

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Chris Bertram 09.09.05 at 11:50 am

This “UPI story”:http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1047143.php/Cops_trapped_survivors_in_New_Orleans has Gretna police chief Arthur Lawson confirming that they closed down the bridge and trying to justify his actions.

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RedWolf 09.09.05 at 12:07 pm

Something is very wrong with a country that allows a colossal failure, i.e. Bush, to complete his term. May be a million people on the wall in Washington will be enough to force him out. Just because there is no legal leverage to topple this regime should not stop us from trying.

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peter 09.09.05 at 12:14 pm

I’ve heard a lot of back and forth about what authority Bush had or didn’t have to send Federal troops in to restore order over Blanco’s objections. So far two things appear to be emerging:
1. The claims that Posse Comitatus stops Bush from doing this are incorrect. See, for example, the Wikipedia article on the act.
2. Bush can send troops in, but he has to invoke the Insurrection Act to do so legally. But this requires that he assume total control, including of Guard units. He has the authority to do this over Blanco’s objections, but today’s NY Times suggests that the political risks of doing so are high.
Is this correct?

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Detlef 09.09.05 at 12:15 pm

Belle,

Uhh…
According to General Honoré, the governors both of Louisiana and Missisippi requested active armed forces disaster help (except law enforcement duties if I understand it correctly) before the hurricane.

http://tinyurl.com/8fu98
The process starts, sir, in this particular event, with a request Friday of last week, as the approximate date for defense coordinating offices to be established in Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. Those were established in those states over Friday and Saturday.

Sir, that started to happen on Saturday, as the hurricane was approaching, and was executed with the movement of my headquarters on Sunday to Mississippi, where we established a joint — JTF headquarters here in Mississippi with a forward cell of the 5th United States Army in Louisiana. And on Sunday we established JTF-Katrina, with myself as the task force commander.

I´m not an American so I can´t comment on all the legalities. But if I were a state governor I would assume that a “forward cell of the 5th United States Army” would have some ideas on their own, you know.
Is the American system really that rigid? If you don´t ask especially for one thing, no active duty officer will even mention the possibility?

Not to mention that apparently at least some help offers were buried in Washington bureaucracy fights.

http://tinyurl.com/deota
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state’s National Guard last Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn’t come from Washington until late Thursday.

Mind you, I´m not saying that Blanco is blameless but after that “senior administration official” quote in the Washington Post (with the false claim that she didn´t declare a state of emergency), I´ve started to become more suspicious of any unsourced claims.

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luci phyrr 09.09.05 at 12:24 pm

Personally, I don’t see as much blame accruing from the incomplete evacuation as from the inability to get water and supplies to thousands of massed people in the Superdome and convention center. Why did it take so long – they went where they were supposed to, authorities knew they were there, and many roads remained passable.

Whoever should/could have gotten supplies to those people, and didn’t, sucks.

And I don’t actually care how the blame is ultimately apportioned (whether at city, state or federal).

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MTraven 09.09.05 at 12:27 pm

While I generally like this article and god knows there is enough blame to go around, aren’t the CT people supposed to sociologists, more or less? It seems to me that if there is systemic failure up and down all levels of government, then, satisfying as it is to find individuals to blame, the real problem is with the bureaucratic structures that are supposed to be responsible for managing emergency situations. Something is deeply wrong and tumbling a few heads is unlikely to fix it.

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SamChevre 09.09.05 at 12:31 pm

Belle,

I’m inclined to think that on the issue of sending in active-duty military, it is not just a “fig leaf of federalism” at issue. The underlying issue is military procedure, not legality. One fundamental piece of military order is, NEVER have soldiers in one area under multiple command structures; all the soldiers have to be under ONE command structure. (This is why when there is a NATO deployment, you always see a statement that “General So-and-So from Somewhere is commanding the operation—he’s at the top of that unified comand structure.) The LA National Guard is under the Governor’s command; active-duty military (and Guardsmen from other states) are under federal command. They cannot work in the same area and both be armed. Usually, the state National Guard is passed over to Federal command; Blanco, for reasons that remain incomprehensible, refused to do so. The various legalities are NOT about sending in federal troops; they are about the pre-condition, which is getting the National Guard in the area into the federal command structure. Taking the governor’s militia without consent is an extremely rare and hostile action; the last time I am aware of that it was done was in Little Rock in 1957; when Eisenhower sent in the 82nd Airborne to suppress public protests against school integration, he federalized the National Guard, and gave it orders directly contrary to those it had from Governor Faubus.

SamChevre

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roger 09.09.05 at 12:38 pm

I don’t get the meme about the troops. Troops have been sent into U.S. cities in the case of Hurricane Andrew and in the case of many riots — Detroit and L.A., to name some off the top of my head. And in fact from what we’ve been reading, the troops in NOLA have no trouble shooting — without the benefit of an insurrection act.

If, as we are reading, there are some 40 000 troops in the area now, there could have been 40 000 troops in the area last week — or at least a couple thousand to patrol the streets of New Orleans. The excuses seem brain dead, since, logically, the position of the excusers should be that the troops in the Gulf region should be pulled out until Bush declares some wacko provision to legalize them. However, that doesn’t seem to have happened, and the troops were sent anyway. As seems always to be the case with the Bush administration, the facts on the ground contradict the arguments emanating from the White House.

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alkali 09.09.05 at 12:44 pm

SamChevre writes:

Usually, the state National Guard is passed over to Federal command; Blanco, for reasons that remain incomprehensible, refused to do so.

Do you have a source for this? (I’m not asking rhetorically, I really am curious.)

Note that “refused” is a strong claim. I would be surprised to hear that the administration called Blanco and said “Will you do X?” and Blanco said “No, I won’t.” (This is what I ordinarily understand the verb “refuse” to mean.)

I would be less surprised to hear that someone from the administration is now saying, “Well, we couldn’t do Y because Blanco had to do X first, and she didn’t do X.” Note that this formulation avoids two questions: (1) whether anyone ever asked Blanco to do X, and (2) whether the actual reason the administration didn’t do Y at the time is that X hadn’t been done, or whether there was some other reason (e.g., simple negligence).

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Purple State 09.09.05 at 12:57 pm

Let’s not forget the Senate that spent approximately 42 minutes providing their “advice and consent” when Bush nominated Brownie. Remember Brown next time someone tries to claim that the Senate should defer to the President and give him the people he wants.

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Jeremy Osner 09.09.05 at 1:02 pm

WRT to Gretna police closing the bridge: In this UPI story, their chief confirms it. “If we had opened the bridge, our city would have looked like New Orleans does now: looted, burned and pillaged.”

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Detlef 09.09.05 at 1:03 pm

If I look at the pre-hurricane situation namely “mandatory evacuation”, I have come to the conclusion that nobody, be it local, state or federal authorities were interested in spending the time and money to develop a realistic (=workable) plan for such an evacuation.

http://tinyurl.com/84xn3
Just last year, FEMA hired a private company, IEM Inc. of Baton Rouge, to help conduct an eight-day drill for a fictional Category 5 hurricane in New Orleans named Pam. It included staging a helicopter evacuation of the Superdome, a prediction of 15 feet of water in parts of the city and the evacuation of 1-million people.

But the second part of the company’s work – to design a plan to fix unresolved problems, such as evacuating sick and injured people and housing thousands of stranded residents – never occurred because the funding was cut.

I´ve read a lot about the flooded buses in New Orleans. Nobody mentions that if you want a successful evacuation of the whole city you´ll need:

– Lot´s of people (police, National Guard) to assist in and enforce a mandatory evacuation.

– Lot´s of transportation including airplanes, trains and buses if you want an evacuation inside 48-72 hours.

– Prepared shelters for the evacuated people including food, water and medical supplies.

– Lots of ambulances and medivac helos for sick and disabled people plus destinations for them.

– Lot´s of law enforcement and firefighters staying inside the city to convince people that their property will be safe from criminals.

– And maybe assuring evacuating people that they don´t have to pay for it.
http://tinyurl.com/7934f
I am stunned by an interview I conducted with New Orleans Detective Lawrence Dupree. He told me they were trying to rescue people with a helicopter and the people were so poor they were afraid it would cost too much to get a ride and they had no money for a “ticket.” Dupree was shaken telling us the story. He just couldn’t believe these people were afraid they’d be charged for a rescue.

Everybody crossed their fingers and hoped that it wouldn´t happen during their time. Maybe I´m too harsh but that´s the way it looks from this side of the Atlantic ocean. And I readily admit that a 100% evacuation is unrealistic anyway.

The person with the least blame for that is probably the mayor of New Orleans IMO.
He simply didn´t have the manpower and the transport for it.
(Oh and suppose the people without personal transport had really turned out to be evacuated, all of them. The city buses at best could have transported 20,000 to 30,000 people. Best case scenario. How do you think the rest of them would have reacted? Riots probably.)

The state governor probably is more to blame. She had access to more transportation and manpower resources than the mayor. Not to mention that she could have ordered at least some shelter building.
Still I don´t think that even her resources would have been enough.

If you look at the resources needed for a successful evacuation, it´s totally impossible without major federal help. I don´t think a state governor can request/order airlines/Amtrak/Greyhound help and resources for an evacuation on her own? Not to mention the traffic disturbances such a major effort would cause?

A real evacuation plan would have required a pre-planned federal assistance and coordination from the beginning.

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jet 09.09.05 at 1:10 pm

Detlef,
The buses could have made several trips to the capital and back in 24 hours, with 2-3 trips getting near everyone who would leave on their own. And as for drivers for those buses, they are operated two times a day, 5 times a week by somebody. As for security and organization, perhaps the Mayor should have seen to that.

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SamChevre 09.09.05 at 1:11 pm

Alkali,

My source is this NYT article (thanks to Andrew Sullivan–it’s quoted in his post, “The Breakdown”).

The key line is somewhat buried–you have to know the “two command structures” issue to get it.

Officials in Louisiana agree that the governor would not have given up control over National Guard troops in her state as would have been required to send large numbers of active-duty soldiers into the area.

SamChevre

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Antti Nannimus 09.09.05 at 1:25 pm

TheoraJones said:

>”Bush declared a State of Emergency and then went on vacation, and when the shit hit the fan he and his White House spent the rest of the week and this week lying about what they’d been doing and what they knew.”

Yes, that’s all true [sigh]. But he’s in the best shape of any president we’ve had in decades. Maybe ever. Don’t you notice how buff, toned, and tan he is? Doesn’t he get any credit for that? At least he’s not an embarrassment like that fat Grover Cleveland.

Have a nice day,
Antti

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Detlef 09.09.05 at 1:27 pm

Sam,

Could you clarify that?

The LA National Guard is under the Governor’s command; active-duty military (and Guardsmen from other states) are under federal command. They cannot work in the same area and both be armed.

I don´t understand that statement. Local and state police are armed too, right?
And the New Mexico governor offered National Guard units to help in Louisiana before the hurricane made landfall. If such a scenario existed then why is it now impossible?

If I read General Honoré right, the National Guard regardless of which state they come from, can be used for law enforcement in New Orleans? It´s only active duty soldiers that can´t be used in law-enforcement?

But there is a major effort in Louisiana for security-type forces. And I will tell you that the majority of them right now — Louisiana has 4,700 of its own National Guard committed to that effort. And the majority of the force flow — there will be 1,400 additional security forces in Louisiana today, with an additional 1,400 tomorrow are on that force flow buildup, as I gave it to you. But we will get that to you in detail within a few minutes, sir.

It’s fair to say the majority of the forces going to Louisiana are security-type forces, sir.

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China 09.09.05 at 1:36 pm

I don’t normally bang on about my own posts but I’m slightly bewildered that conversation is still revolving around ‘failure’. Who ‘failed’? Certainly they failed to provide support or evacuation but given that they publicly trumpeted that they would not provide it, this may be a moral failure but it’s not a failure in their terms, whatever they now claim. Detlef says everyone crossed their fingers and hoped it wouldn’t happen. I refer people to the links to my posts elsewhere (below). They knew this was likely. They did plan for it. They were about to publicly release those plans, on DVD. They organised grassroots groups to help spread word of those plans. And the substance of those plans was to say to the poor: ‘We will do nothing for you. You are on your own.’ This is public record. Copious links in here and here. What this means is that what happened here was of course an abomination, a disgrace, a crime, a nightmare, but none of their systems failed, because it went down exactly as they predicted and promised it would. They did exactly what they promised, and in this context that is considerably more culpable than ‘failure’.

I will now stop talking about this.

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Russell Arben Fox 09.09.05 at 1:36 pm

I see responsibility for this catastrophe as falling into two groups: those who failed to prepare, and those who failed to act. Not a perfect division of responsibility, but a useful one. Think about it in terms of the different aspects of governing: legislative power is presumably about shaping and protecting society through the construction of laws, whereas executive power is about the enforcement and management (including crisis management) of those laws. If various executives (the mayor, the governor, and the president) can be faulted for their disregard for the short-terms means of protecting life and property available to them, then various legislatures can be equally faulted for not having made use of the power and monies available to them to think in the long term. President Bush is ultimately accountable for federal government’s poor response to the disaster, but I wouldn’t say he is accountable for the unprepared environment which suffered the disaster–that blame goes to state legislatures and especially Congress, and specifically Louisiana legislators who consistently pushed the Army Corps of Engineers to work on short-term, rather than long-term, concerns. Former Democratic senator John Breaux’s commented in the Washington Post, when confronted with the fact that the actual requisitions his state had made of the ACE rarely pertained to the maintenance of the levees: “We thought all [these] projects were important; not just levees….Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but navigation projects were critical to our economic survival.” This is rather damning, considering the fact that the navigation projects he pushed were practically worthless make-work projects.

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SamChevre 09.09.05 at 1:41 pm

Detlef,

Sorry–my statement was misleading. National Guard from other states can go to Louisiana and be put under the Louisiana governor’s command on the orders of the governor of their home state. (This is the scenario General Honoré is explaining.) National Guard from other states can also be called up and sent in under Federal command.

Active-duty military can’t be put under state command; that’s just how it is.

The “can’t both be armed” was in reference to the one scenario where Federal troops can be in an area without state permission–they can do search-and-rescue work; I believe (could be wrong) that they can’t be armed in that case.

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Jason G. Williscroft 09.09.05 at 1:42 pm

Really? Hmmm. What about the hundreds of thousands of individuals who lived and worked in New Orleans for decades under the imminent threat of Katrina-style disaster, yet did nothing to take care of their OWN houses, or their OWN families?

Responsibility begins at home, and preparedness trumps response every time. More here.

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Backword Dave 09.09.05 at 1:52 pm

Brown has left the building. Here too. Via, of all things, Power Tools.

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aretino 09.09.05 at 1:54 pm

The buses could have made several trips to the capital and back in 24 hours

Yes, of course you could have made several round-trips in 24 hours when ONE-WAY evacuation to Baton Rouge was reported to haven take as long as 18 hours, if I remember correctly.

And where was all the fuel to do that going to come from, if I may ask. From what I know of local schools districts, they keep on hand enough fuel for a couple of weeks of normal operation, tops. (I know some folks in South Carolina whose school district may have to shut down shortly because of Katrina-induced fuel shortages; they have almost run through their reserves already.) Sending the entire fleet to Baton Rouge even once in stop-and-go traffic could very well have depleted the whole stockpile. It is logistical issues like these that led us to set up a federal disaster agency in the first place.

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Detlef 09.09.05 at 2:15 pm

Jet wrote:

The buses could have made several trips to the capital and back in 24 hours, with 2-3 trips getting near everyone who would leave on their own.

How many people can one bus transport?
40 to 60, right? What is their max speed and what is the distance to the LA capital?
How many people can one airplane or train transport? To destinations safely outside the disaster area? And in what time?
Probably hundreds of them in one trip.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of cars were on the roads. IIRC the roads out of New Orleans were full of cars. Full of cars transporting the 400,000 people with personal transport available to safety.

Are you sure the buses could have made 2-3 trips in 24 hours in those conditions? In a best case scenario (3 trips) that would be 4 hours for one trip including the time to gather the evacuated people from every single suburb (parish?) of New Orleans?
Is that realistic?

Not to mention the fact that IIRC the roads for leaving New Orleans were by that time “one-way” roads. With all lanes available for “outward” traffic. Reserving lanes for “inbound” traffic, like your buses making 2-3 trips, might have slowed down the evacuation of people in their own cars, don´t you think?

And as for drivers for those buses, they are operated two times a day, 5 times a week by somebody.

Okay!
Assume you´re a bus driver. And you own a car.
So you will stay and send the rest of your family away using your car. Very commendable!
And I´m sure lots of bus drivers would have done it if there had been a plan. Although some wouldn´t have.
That´s my main reason why I blame local and state authorities, you know. They should have tried everything to evacuate people and then start blaming the federal authorities for not helping them.

As for security and organization, perhaps the Mayor should have seen to that.

If web resources are to be believed, the New Orleans Police Department got about 1,500 policemen in a city of around 500,000 people. Care to tell me how 1,500 people could have done that?

And additionally, care to tell me how the city could have evacuated all the hospitals, all the nursing homes, all the disabled people at home?
On their own?

Blaming a mayor is nice somehow.
It absolves the rest of the nation of any guilt in the aftermath of a natural disaster.

I stand by my conclusion!

Nobody, neither local, state or federal authorities wanted to spend time, effort or money to evacuate the 100,000+ poor people in New Orleans.

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alkali 09.09.05 at 2:16 pm

Officials in Louisiana agree that the governor would not have given up control over National Guard troops in her state as would have been required to send large numbers of active-duty soldiers into the area.

1) What officials? How do they know?

2) “Would not have?” So I take it no one ever asked?

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Detlef 09.09.05 at 2:41 pm

China,

We agree completely!
Maybe you misunderstood my posts?

I said that “everyone crossed their fingers and hoped it wouldn’t happen” (during their time).

I wasn´t absolving anyone of their duties and guilt. I was simply trying to say that politicians and political appointees nowadays don´t plan for the long-term. I was simply saying that everyone of them crossed their fingers and hoped that a disaster wouldn´t happen during their term.

And I did say that neither local, state or federal authorities were interested in spending time, money or efforts on the evacuation of the poor people in New Orleans!

And I´m slightly outraged that you´re quoting me as proof that nobody cared!
Did you read my post at 1:03pm?

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Patrick Nielsen Hayden 09.09.05 at 2:52 pm

Someone should notice China Mieville’s point. Really.

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rachel b 09.09.05 at 3:00 pm

I’d be more interested in establishing an exquisitely accurate balance sheet of blame if I saw reason to hope that even rough justice will be done. Please, somebody tell me where I can march or send money or join in whatever effort it takes to actually *make it happen* — the rolling of the above listed heads, that is, up to the big fat empty head at the top. Because over the last five years political accountability has got rarer in the U.S. than the ivory-billed woodpecker.

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China 09.09.05 at 3:24 pm

Thanks PNH. Detlef, apologies for causing outrage. However, we aren’t in fact in complete agreement. We agree that no one was interested in spending time, money or effort on the evacuation of the poor. But i) you think that Nagin bears the least blame for this, and ii) that what happened was because they did not ‘plan for the long term’. By contrast (and this really is the last time I will labour this point), I (see the links) accept the mass of public evidence that there was a plan, a plan that Nagin was intimately involved in formulating, well in advance, to completely ignore the poor. You may be right that they ‘hoped a disaster wouldn’t happen’, but that is not the same as not having planned, and planned carefully. It is for having carefully planned in the way he did that I think Nagin can and should be blamed, hard (along with many other people). I don’t blame them for not having a long-term plan, but for having the plan they had. If we keep going on about ‘lack of planning’, ‘incompetence’, etc, we may think we’re attacking them but in fact we’re letting them off the hook, because inadequate planning would be a vastly lesser crime than what they did, which is exactly what they long promised to do.

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Detlef 09.09.05 at 3:24 pm

Jason wrote:

Really? Hmmm. What about the hundreds of thousands of individuals who lived and worked in New Orleans for decades under the imminent threat of Katrina-style disaster, yet did nothing to take care of their OWN houses, or their OWN families?

You are so totally right!
Swoon! (And snark alarm!)

So you will immediately order an evacuation of Florida (hurricane area), California (earth quakes) and the state of Washington (vulcanoes).
And a few other states too.
Like North and South Carolina and the Missisippi and Texas Gulf coast? Including the oil and gas platforms in the Gulf of Mexico. It´s simply to dangerous!

How could they build them while knowing that they were under the “the imminent threat of [a] Katrina-style disaster”?

Just add Missisippi and Trent Lott´s house.
Just how could he own a house in a hurricane prone region? And why would President Bush promise that a poor “refugee” named Trent Lott would own a much prettier house at the same place in the future? Please tell Mr. Trent Lott that he should just abandon his house in Missisippi!

Not to mention the fact that the New Orleans port is essential for all river traffic coming down the Missisippi river?

Having said that I agree strongly with you!
People who can´t afford flood insurance, living from pay cheque to pay cheque simply should die.
Either drown directly or simply be dehydrated by waiting for federal help for a week.

They just shouldn´t hope for federal help even if they are American citizens! If they are poor, they shouldn´t expect help.

Thank you for your clarifications, Jason!

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Detlef 09.09.05 at 3:38 pm

Sam,

I do admit that I don´t understand the legal options for a state vs. the federal government in the USA.

Heh, I´m a German and active duty military assistance in case of a natural disaster is a given. Not law-enforcement duty, you understand, but search and rescue and transporting supplies. Not to mention boots on the ground to repair a levee breach.

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yabonn 09.09.05 at 3:41 pm

The UPI story goes for omri’s Old South crackers explanation; i don’t think our checkpoint hero would take the plunge for someone.

The speed and persistence of his move puzzles me though. It’s that sense of bizarro normalcy : “whyofcourse i let dem blacks die over there, next question?”.

That, and whatchinasez, metoo. Though i’m not optimistic that it will shake things : as we are in the bizarro normalcy department, i’m not sure it will amount in the end to more than a “whyofcourse the poors were left behind”.

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yabonn 09.09.05 at 3:45 pm

Just reread myself. It’s disgusting. But yes, i’m that pessimistic about it.

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John Emerson 09.09.05 at 3:52 pm

Is it fair that the gov of North Dakota only has forcible rape of sheep to worry about during his term? welcome to the real world, cupcake.

Hey, ND had a similiar emergency a few years ago — Grand Forks was almost destroyed. How soon people forget.

People in ND are very, very white (as am I), and the spin put on the ND flood was completely different.

(Except that the street preachers blamed the queers in both cases. The scary thing about this is that there probably aren’t 10 queers in the whole city of Grand Forks; per capita, that’s a tremendous amount of blame. In the case of NOLA the blame can be more eidely distributed.)

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abb1 09.09.05 at 4:09 pm

Sounds like the Gretna story might’ve been the worst episode there. That the Bushies and various LA politicians fucked up is not a big surprise, but what those Gretna cops did is something else completely; that was clearly a violation of civil rights. Those guys definitely need to go to jail.

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Hogan 09.09.05 at 4:11 pm

Medium Lobster at Fafblog! explains federalism and all that:

More importantly, one must recognize that there are limits to what powers the federal government should exercise in a crisis. Yes, it is the right and duty of the president to override state drug policy, to determine who can or cannot marry, to indefinitely detain citizens without due process and to torture and kill prisoners as he sees fit, but disaster relief is a matter that should be left to the states. Yes, the images of the drowned, the diseased, and the desperately dying drove much of the country to outrage, but how much more outraged would America have been if FEMA had fed the Superdome refugees without the full oversight and authorization of the State of Louisiana? Had the president sent rescue helicopters to evacuate New Orleans the day the levees burst, he might have saved thousands of lives, but he would also have overstepped his authority – and if there’s one thing George W. Bush refuses to countenance, it is abuse of power.

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Detlef 09.09.05 at 4:24 pm

China wrote:

We agree that no one was interested in spending time, money or effort on the evacuation of the poor. But i) you think that Nagin bears the least blame for this, and ii) that what happened was because they did not ‘plan for the long term’. By contrast (and this really is the last time I will labour this point), I (see the links) accept the mass of public evidence that there was a plan, a plan that Nagin was intimately involved in formulating, well in advance, to completely ignore the poor. You may be right that they ‘hoped a disaster wouldn’t happen’, but that is not the same as not having planned, and planned carefully. It is for having carefully planned in the way he did that I think Nagin can and should be blamed, hard (along with many other people).

China, I apologize too!

I don´t know if there was a “real plan”. See the link above in comments saying that planning for the “hard stuff” was cut in 2004.

The only difference between us seems to be the planning inside New Orleans. We do agree that nobody (local, state and federal) was interested in a plan to evacuate the poor people.
We only disagree on whom to blame!

Let me make it clear! I´m a German and I do blame the mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana too!

I´m simply saying that the mayor of New Orleans today and in the past never had access to the resources needed for a “real” evacuation of New Orleans. And don´t tell me that he could over-rule state and federal authorities!

I´m an engineer, so bear with me. :)
You do the best with the resources you have. And you try to project confidence in your (only) realistic choice.

He knew that state and federal authorities wouldn´t help him with a “real” mandatory evacuation. So he tried his best evacuating people, and caring for remaining people.
And I do agree that he failed the remaining people! (Water and food in the Superdome would have helped there.)

For the rest of it, it´s kind of like “you invade with the army you have, not the army and equipment you wish you have”. Or “stuff happens” and “freedom is messy”.

It is perfectly clear to me that a simple mayor can´t command the resources needed for a mandatory evacuation.

Heh, if I could do it, I´d fire
– the mayor of New Orleans
– the governor of Louisisana and maybe Mississippi
– the topmost ten guys of FEMA and DHS
– President Bush and Vice President Cheney
– a few other people from the Senate and house of represetatives

But you´re a republic, so it´s up to you to determine their performance…

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theorajones 09.09.05 at 4:28 pm

While moral outrage is fine, at the end of the day, as a matter of public policy one cannot place primary accountability on the public entities who do not have the resources to respond.

The reality of the situation that the Administration and its apologists do not want people to see is that there was only one level of government capable of making a meaningful difference in this crisis. That’s what all this “but Blanco wasn’t perfect, but there were a handful of buses” smokescreen is about–it’s to get you to debate whether or not she was perfect, or the logistics of ferrying buses (where do you put the ventilator patients, for example). Who the fuck cares? I’m asking seriously.

When you step back it’s plainly obvious that Nagin and Blanco both lacked the resources, infrastructure and the manpower to respond to a crisis of this scale. This is the evacuation of 2.2 million people, HALF the population of Louisiana. It is the evacuation and subsequent flooding of the entirety of New Orleans–500,000 people. New Orleans only has 1,500 cops! So deep down, I don’t really care if they execute their duties perfectly. It’s a crisis they’re fundamentally not equipped to handle, and it’s therefore unrealistic to as a matter of public policy rely upon their ability to handle it.

The federal government needs to be held accountable because it has the capacity to do this job if it believes it has to. The next president needs to know that his people at FEMA and elsewhere have to be proactive in their planning because it’s his ass on the line. They need to be proactive in making sure the mayors and governors know what they need and how to get it, they have to make sure everyone knows what protocols to follow in an emergency, they have to figure out when the locals are gonna get overwhelmed (and get the locals to see also where they’re gonna get overwhelmed), and BEFORE the crisis they have to put in the proper protocols to respond appropriately to crises of varying degrees of severity.

The feds can make the governors and mayors fall in line, and if they can’t or won’t, the feds can institute the legal protocols that will let them go around the locals and they’ve got a deep enough bench to replace every single one of them. It doesn’t work the other way around.

The NY Times article clearly showed an administration that was paralyzed with ineptitude, negotiating with itself and getting caught up in stultifying bureaucracy because there was no one who’d read the relevant statutes, and no one who knew what the hell to do.

And more importantly, there was no way to get past that point because everyone thought, “let’s not go too crazy here because, technically, saving these people might not be our job.” That was only reinforced by the political message that said, “Guys, if this was really our job, would the president be on vacation?”

If we don’t want the next national-scale crisis to be as bad as this one, the critical first step is to make it clear to the federal government that yes, it IS their job to make sure these people get saved.

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Detlef 09.09.05 at 5:17 pm

China,

You know what freaks me out?
That the LA governor would decide:

http://tinyurl.com/8ztvg
I have declared August 31, 2005, a Day of Prayer in the State of Louisiana.

I am asking that all of Louisiana take some time Wednesday to pray. Pray for the victims and the rescuers. Please pray that God give us all the physical and spiritual strength to work through this crisis and rebuild.

I´m a secular “Old European wimp” :).
And that whole “day of prayer” freaks me out. Especially since back then, countless (heathen) countries like Canada and countries in Western Europe for example had already offered help.

Looks like a day of prayer is more important to the USA than fast response disaster teams from less “religious” Western countries?

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Detlef 09.09.05 at 5:30 pm

theorajones,

Good arguments and a good post!

—-

Should I add the slogan of the Republican party?
(As I understand it.)

“The federal government and federal agencies are bad for you. Elect us and put us in control of the federal government and we will prove to you that a federal government can´t help you!

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y81 09.09.05 at 6:46 pm

detlef, America has been having days of prayer for over 200 years. Let’s not talk about what Germany has done during the past 200 years.

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Peter H 09.09.05 at 6:51 pm

China, I understand where you’re coming from, but Nagin is the Mayor of a city which has (1) has enormous concentrated poverty and (2) is nearly bankrupt. I think he was making the best he could out of an impossible situation. He was able to retrofit and transport residents to the Superdome, which saved thousands of lives.

It’s important to point out Federal and state officials were well aware that New Orleans couldn’t evacuate a substantial portion of its citizens out of the city. I guess you could blame Nagin for not raising hell earlier with FEMA to help out a desperate city.

I believe the zoo in New Orleans is run by the Audobon Nature Institute, which is a private organization, and thus not under Nagin’s jurisdiction, but I have to admit it does not reflect well on socety’s priorities that wild animals received better care than people.

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Procrastinator 09.09.05 at 8:01 pm

I must say, this induces a few pangs of sympathy for Condi – http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00103/cartoon050905_103329a.jpg

But not many.

ABB1 > but what those Gretna cops did is something else completely; that was clearly a violation of civil rights.

Wasn’t that just a beastly thing to do? Civil liberties, Jennings my dear boy? It’s political correctness gone mad!!!

PETER H > but I have to admit it does not reflect well on socety’s priorities that wild animals received better care than people

It puts me in mind of Alan Clarke’s creepy remark, in response to John Pilger’s question as to if his concern for the welfare of animals extended to humans being blown up by the weapons he sold; “Curiously not”.

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andrew 09.09.05 at 8:22 pm

Detlef, you’ve mentioned that you’re not a native English speaker, but since China has given up, let me ask, one last time, whether you understand that he is claiming that Nagin and his associates actively planned _not_ to rescue the poor of New Orleans and that everything went according to plan? Of course, as others have mentioned, he ended up designating the Superdome as a shelter of last resort which, although lacking food and water, did probably end up saving lives. So not everything went _exactly_ according to plan. The best news I’ve heard all week is the latest, that the death toll will be lower than feared. I was worried about hundreds of thousands; at this point, less than 10,000 almost seems like a relief.

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anon 09.09.05 at 10:34 pm

Ron Nagin has stated in an interview:”Get people to higher ground and have the feds and the state airlift supplies to them — that was the plan, man.”

–Quoted pejoratively here.

Of course, he was referring to people who couldn’t evacuate themselves. In aid of this he caused the city buses to bring people to the Superdome all day before the hurricane. A contract had already been let to harden the Superdome further against flooding, but Katrina came too soon for that to help. China is right that the DVDs urging churches and other civic groups to form plans for those with space in their cars to evacuate people without had been distributed. This isn’t a bad thing alone. It would improve the situation by leaving fewer people to shelter in place.

The evacuation of the disabled was negligent before the storm, and the provision of aid after the hurricane passed was negligent. There was a dry path into the city, and it should have been immediately used to evacuate those sheltering in place.

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anon 09.09.05 at 11:01 pm

Everyone, especially China, needs to read this. It is a description of the IEM/FEMA Hurricane Pam planning session from a participant.

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abb1 09.10.05 at 2:54 am

Another important angle to this story. Dr. William Cook writes:

It is estimated that the 1,500 Israeli settler families in Gaza would receive between $200,000 and $750,000 each to move into Israel. The compensation would be for their homes and businesses, but also include additional funds for new housing allowances, business and household relocation, or other expenses.” The total cost of the disengagement is estimated “at about 8 billion schekels ($1.74 billion).” (Truth seeker,” 7/8/05). These pullout costs are “included in the new U.S. aid package” according to the Jerusalem Post (_7/05).

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Purple State 09.10.05 at 7:41 am

Detlef . . . we had do do a day of prayer because we no longer have any witch doctors around to do rain dances.

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Purple State 09.10.05 at 7:45 am

Detlef . . . we had to do a day of prayer because we no longer have any witch doctors around to do rain dances.

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spencer 09.10.05 at 9:00 am

I keep hearing the story about the red cross being kept out of the city.

Yes, I am sure there are facts I do not know,
but it seem like a good decision to be.

The red cross is a relief organization, not a
rescue operation. Its role is to provide food, water, clothiing shelter, etc to victims. This is exactly what they did in centers around the city and rescuers took the victims to the red cross.

To do their job the red cross needs water, electricity, phones, internet connections, etc..
All things they had a the various centers they established around the city.

If they had tried to set up relief centers in the city they would not have had the water, sewage, electricity, phones, etc. that they needed. Establishing red cross centers in the city without these would have been pretty much a waste of resources that could have used at the remote red cross centers.

Moreover, as the General stated, it would have encouraged people to stay in the city.

So, what am I missing that makes the decision to keep the red cross out so bad?

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Uncle Kvetch 09.10.05 at 9:53 am

I´m a secular “Old European wimp” :).
And that whole “day of prayer” freaks me out.

Detlef, I’m an agnostic American wimp, and it freaks me out too. And you may have heard that our President has declared a national “day of prayer” for 9/16, as well.

(OTOH, after the past couple of weeks, I’m ready to start beseeching the Entity of Indeterminate Nature to save our sorry asses before GWB kills us all. But that’s another story.)

As for the broader point, and specifically China’s observation: the idea that ignoring the poor was the plan (rather than a failure of the plan) doesn’t sound the least bit exaggerated when we consider statements like these:

So many of the people here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them. [Barbara Bush]

and

We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn’t do it, but God did. [Overheard comment by Louisiana Republican congressman Richard Baker]

Think of it this way: A substantial portion of the American public has already convinced itself that the people of Iraq–the ones that haven’t already died as a direct result of our actions, that is–are infinitely, unquestionably better off with an infrastructure in tatters and a society on the brink of civil war than they were under the previous regime. It’s not surprising that many of the same people can convince themselves that just about anything other than the status quo would be better for the poor, up to and including death. Why not let the Man Upstairs, in his infinite wisdom, engage in a little planetary housecleaning?

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eudoxis 09.10.05 at 9:57 am

The death toll after a first full grid sweep of NO stands at, what, 118?

That’s remarkably low considering the magnitude of the hurricane.

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eudoxis 09.10.05 at 10:14 am

spenser: “So, what am I missing that makes the decision to keep the red cross out so bad?

You’re not missing anything.
Negligence requires proof of actual damage.

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abb1 09.10.05 at 10:37 am

As bloated corpses went floating on the flood, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice went shopping Fifth Avenue for a small fortune in shoes. Asked later her thoughts on the victims from her kindred South, the Secretary offered with her usual authority, “The Lord Jesus Christ is going to come on time. If we just wait.”

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0907-20.htm

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Uncle Kvetch 09.10.05 at 10:48 am

Thanks for indirectly buttressing my point, eudoxis. I give you points for consistency, at least: You’ve been hammering that “No Biggie” theme in just about every comment you’ve made here.

Given that the government was doing everything in its power to keep the press out of NO and away from the recovery efforts (an effort they just abandoned , apparently), I’m inclined to treat official sources with a certain healthy skepticism.

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serial catowner 09.10.05 at 5:28 pm

Comparing this with the thread on social networking is kinda funny.

What we needed were professionals reporting to elected officials who could enact legislation authorizing and paying for needed improvements and preparations.

What we got were social networks- pols upon pols upon pols, all depending on organizations larded with political hacks. For the past four years professionals have been leaving our government in droves.

And with the example of Huey Long before them, it’s understandable that none of the pols were willing to fall on their swords for better levees, evacuation plans for the poor, etc. Sure, that kind of thing might be popular with the voters, part of a healthy democracy and so forth- that, and $2, will get you a cup of coffee.

Maybe we need to take another look at how much value we really find in social networking.

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serial catowner 09.10.05 at 5:39 pm

And as the “surprisingly low” death toll is reported by authorities shielded from the eyes of the press, just clutch your head firmly with both hands and tell yourself you’ve managed to live with the Ohio election results and you’ll live with this too.

Why is everything about numbers around Bush always so damned “surpising”?

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Detlef 09.10.05 at 7:16 pm

Andrew wrote:

Detlef, you’ve mentioned that you’re not a native English speaker, but since China has given up, let me ask, one last time, whether you understand that he is claiming that Nagin and his associates actively planned not to rescue the poor of New Orleans and that everything went according to plan?

and Uncle Kvetch wrote:

As for the broader point, and specifically China’s observation: the idea that ignoring the poor was the plan (rather than a failure of the plan) doesn’t sound the least bit exaggerated when we consider statements like these:

Well, that´s not my opinion. Once again:
My impression from the last two weeks is that nobody, neither local, state and federal authorities were willing to spend the time, effort and resources needed to evacuate everyone from New Orleans.

However I don´t think that anyone had a “plan” to actively ignore/drown the poor. I rather think that everyone was simply hoping for the “best”. “Best” in this case means that a worst case scenario wouldn´t happen during his/her watch.
Why include “evil intentions” when simple laziness, total disregard for the poor, short-term satidfaction/solutions, don´t want to spend money on “them” and “cover my *ss” mentality can explain it as well?

If I were asked who is to blame?
10% local authorities, 45% state authorities and 45% federal authorities. With a slight tilt to place even more blame on the federal authorities.

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Detlef 09.10.05 at 7:28 pm

y81 wrote:

detlef, America has been having days of prayer for over 200 years. Let’s not talk about what Germany has done during the past 200 years.

Nice try!
Except that I didn´t wrote about the past 200 or even 60 years. (Not to mention that in the first 100 of these 200 years we didn´t do very much.)

If you want to have a day of prayer, fine!

But if I had been a foreign (European) tourist trapped in one of the New Orleans hotels, I certainly would have hoped that your authorities were able to “multi-task”. You know, praying and allowing every available help to come and help rescue and/or supply people.

Personally I wouldn´t have been comforted by a day of prayer while hearing at the same time that specialized foreign search and rescue teams were left waiting just outside the US border.

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Detlef 09.10.05 at 7:34 pm

SamChevre wrote:

The LA National Guard is under the Governor’s command; active-duty military (and Guardsmen from other states) are under federal command. They cannot work in the same area and both be armed.

Maybe a stupid question.
If that statement is true, then why are there no problems with private security companies working in the same area?

http://tinyurl.com/9ot44
NYT, September 8, 2005
“New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes”
No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. “Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons,” he said.

But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16’s and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

I assume the private security companies are definitely not in the official chain of command?

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Judy 09.10.05 at 11:07 pm

The governor calls in the national guard (generally that of his/her own state) and the guard is under the governor’s control. This has been done in past hurricanes. I think the Insurrection Act only comes into play if the National Guard is to be used for law enforcement purposes against the governor’s wishes and invoking martial law, not for aid and assistance. Bush tried to nationalize the Guard and Blanco asked for 24 hours to consider it. (according to an interview given by Nagin) I think she already realized that the feds were poised to blame the locals and she may have thought that resisting nationalizing the guard would help her keep some element of control–that is, help resist making herself a scapegoat. This didn’t happen until Bush came to LA.

You may recall that in 1968, Ohio governor James Rhodes called in the National Guard to fend off student protesters and it was at Kent State that the Guard shot and killed 4 students. The President was not involved (with respect to nationalizing the guard). All this crap is cya to divert our attention from how the Bushevics eviscerated FEMA. Brownie didn’t have a clue how to manage. The Bushevics don’t believe in executing governmental functions. They don’t believe in oversight. Already, they’re seeing this as an opportunity to promote their pet policy options, like school vouchers. Bush has already suspended the Davis=Bacon Act to allow firms to pay sub-standard wages, also on the Republican wish list of regulatory changes. No doubt Brownie will soon show up as a contractor (after all his old buddy Joe Allspaugh, former FEMA director who installed him, is already working his angle in LA). We should all be out there on PA ave protesting.

We’re about to witness a sham investigation (just as occurred in FDR’s administration over the similar fuckup that resulted in the loss of WWII veterans in the Florida Keys in 1935). Hope Pelosi and Reid stand firm in not agreeing to participate.

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hunter 09.10.05 at 11:33 pm

Every bit of this back biting, arm chair first responding and second guessing is just a dysfuncitonal, dangerous waste of time. I am a conservative Republican, and as much as I love to take down dems, I think we are wasting our emotional energy and time on this pointless and rather disgusting blame game.
The only people truly worth hating in this are the Rev. Racebaiters, twisting this tragedy into a racist slander against this entire country and robbing the relief effort of its proper dignity.
As to the alleged slowness: Bunk. There was significant rescue and aid activity happening within 24 hours of the storm. There were people on buses heading to Houston within 24 hours of the flood. Stop the backbiting, stop the whining, and if you want to make difference either get to work, or give money, but either way sack up and stop whining.

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abb1 09.11.05 at 9:17 am

You may recall that in 1968, Ohio governor James Rhodes called in the National Guard to fend off student protesters and it was at Kent State that the Guard shot and killed 4 students.

1970?

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Charlie (Colorado) 09.12.05 at 12:23 am

Maybe a stupid question.
If that statement is true, then why are there no problems with private security companies working in the same area?

Unlike using the federal troops for law-enforcement purposes or federalizing them in the absence of an insurrection, using private security guards isn’t against the law.

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Buce 09.12.05 at 1:35 pm

I don’t know enough about Blanco for a final judgment, but the Fed’s defense that she did ask enough or at the right time has a certain air of “Simon Says” about it. “Run for the hills, the dam is busted!” “Oops, forgot to say may I!”

The Bush investigation puts me in mind of OJ looking for the real killer.

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impeachy keen 09.12.05 at 11:59 pm

Hi Belle,

Everyone has to stop assuming Bush could never be impeached. If the US can’t impeach a prez who has screwed up in so many ways, resulting in many deaths, and torture, then the country surely is in trouble. How bad does it have to get before people start to feel they had the power to remove him? The crazy conservatives felt entitled enough that they felt they could remove Clinton based on his sex life. What’s missing from the left is that feeling of entitlement. Where is the press? Where is any strong democrat who feels empowered? Or would they all wait it out in the hopes of the next presidential election? Sorry but I don’t want to wait 3 more years. No telling how dubya could screw up in the interim.

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Thomas Esmond Knox 09.13.05 at 5:48 pm

Most people commenting on the New Orleans flood rescue have obviously never been in a fair dinkum flood. I have been in a fair flood in a big Mack truck; you get more respect for Mother Nature.
Fortunately, a member of the U.S. Senate has experience of trying to drive a vehicle through deep water and trying to rescue another person trapped in that vehicle. No doubt the Senator will share his experience with his peers in the forthcoming investigations.

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