Belle, “at her and John’s other place”:http://examinedlife.typepad.com/johnbelle/2008/02/nasty.html, describes the argument of a quite startlingly horrendous post at NRO’s _The Corner._
The truly beautiful thing about this is that it incoherently wavers between two poles of repulsive slander: is it Communist Negroes having sex with our white women? Or are Communist Jewesses subverting black Americans who, patriotic though modestly ill-treated, would have been able to resist had the party not offered them the tempting fruits of miscegenation?
Unfortunately, I imagine that this is only the start …
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CJColucci 02.20.08 at 4:31 pm
This proves what several people from that era have said: half the folks who joined Communist organizations back in the day were just trying to get laid.
lemuel pitkin 02.20.08 at 4:35 pm
To be fair, she pretty clearly concludes that Communist Jewesses are the greater threat.
Sk 02.20.08 at 4:37 pm
[aeiou] Good Lord. Your viewers should know, though, that your quote is not of any argument made at NRO. It is a quote of your own Belle Waring!?!? How and why did she become such an overt and nasty racist?
“Unfortunately, I imagine that this is only the start …”
Why? How much worse do you think Belle is going to get?
sk
Fats Durston 02.20.08 at 4:42 pm
Holy fookin’ ‘ell. I really thought that the title was one of them “shorter NRO” gags, though the [sic] shoulda tipped me off.
It’s amazing how devious (and far-seeing) we in the academy are: taking an old Communist insult (see, PC has commie origins!) and turning it into a re-imagining of public social relations in the 1980s, all so that it would help elect the first black (er…half-Negro/half-Jew) U.S. president in the ‘oughties, because otherwise his family’s Communist past could be investigated, and he would lose.
Well played, academia, well played.
Grand Moff Texan 02.20.08 at 4:53 pm
Or is it about black dads who are such deadbeats and atheists that they see to it their sons have a proper Muslim education in a madrassa?
Or is it about working mothers in the military industrial complex being so bereft of traditional values that their daughter is left to be penetrated by a throbbing, uncircumcised member?
Jumpin’ Jesus on a Jukebox, watching the Republicans’ racist base march into the bug zapper for eight straight years is going to be epic. Like Mahabharata epic.
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john m. (not the other guy who has appeared recently) 02.20.08 at 4:53 pm
I thought I’d given up posting comments on blogs but that piece is stupefyingly dumb and nasty. I mean…Jesus…back to silence. In the face of such ignorance, what other choice is there?
Adrock 02.20.08 at 5:16 pm
Wow, just wow. So is this her argument?
1. When I was growing up, all the mixed race people I knew were communists (in New York).
2. Its a historical fact that most white woman / black man relationships in the 50s were because of communism (in the US?)
3. Therefore, Barack Obama’s family origins are worthy of inquiry (in the 70’s in Hawaii) becuase its likely he was born of a communist union.
That’s strikingly similar to the standard white hate group argument – all the black people I know are criminals, everyone knows black people are criminals, therefore black people should be criminalized.
Z 02.20.08 at 5:31 pm
It’s communist jewish black islamo-liberal-fascists trying to destroy America and brave Republicans being the last barrier. It’s always been so.
Steve LaBonne 02.20.08 at 6:16 pm
You’ll also be relieved to know that Bill O’Reilly “doesn’t want to go on a lynching party” [yes he really said that] against Michelle Obama unless he finds evidence that “she really feels that America is a bad country”. Mighty, er, white of him.
You just can’t make shit like this up. What is wrong with these people?
nick s 02.20.08 at 6:17 pm
This would be the same Lisa Schiffren who confessed after Iowa that after fifteen years of hating Hillary, she wouldn’t know what to do with herself.
Well, that didn’t take her long.
(Dan Quayle’s speechwriter, natch. The Murphy Brown speech was hers.)
nick s 02.20.08 at 6:21 pm
And obviously, this means that Maya Rudolph is a commie fifth columnist and Obsma’s likely pick for Veep.
Grand Moff Texan 02.20.08 at 6:46 pm
In the face of such ignorance, what other choice is there?
Black humor.
See? There I go again.
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Golza 02.20.08 at 7:55 pm
Wait. Obama’s a jew?
shub-negrorath 02.20.08 at 7:58 pm
Interesting tack they’re taking—since directly smearing Obama with rank stereotypes about black males would almost certainly backfire, they’re mining one of the strongest unresolved undercurrents of American racial fear and loathing, miscegenation. Hey, it worked against Harold Ford, Jr. in 2006; it might have surprising purchase in this election.
P O'Neill 02.20.08 at 8:41 pm
Lisa also brought us
I had the most astonishing thought last Thursday. After a long day of hauling the kids to playdates and ballet, I turned on the news. And there was the president, landing on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln, stepping out of a fighter jet in that amazing uniform, looking–how to put it?–really hot. Also presidential, of course. Not to mention credible as commander in chief. But mostly “hot,” as in virile, sexy and powerful.
http://opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110003472
Greg Miller 02.20.08 at 8:57 pm
It’s good to see the Nationa Review returning to its roots as a scurrilous racist rag–back in the good ol’ days, when young Bill Buckley was just a whippersnapper, fresh out of college (he hasn’t always been a self-important windbag with ill-fitting socks–it just seems that way). Back when the magazine celebrated the Klan’s right to self-expression, and massive resistance and its role in maintaining “order” in the south.
Helen 02.20.08 at 9:36 pm
P O’Neill: I really didn’t need that mental image, seeing as it’s early morning over here.
Henry (not the famous one) 02.20.08 at 9:58 pm
On a sort of related note, a friend of mine who was a poll watcher in Marshall, Arkansas back in 1980–the year that Bill lost–was told by his fellow poll watchers that the reason that Hillary didn’t take Bill’s last name was because he had fathered a black child. Of course they didn’t use the word “black.” Or “child,” for that matter.
Good to see the National Review elevating the tone.
Walt 02.20.08 at 10:30 pm
Scheffrin’s post may be that rarest of things: embarrassing even for NRO.
mq 02.20.08 at 10:52 pm
This is very heartening. If this kind of crap — simultaneously puerile and incomprehensible — is the best they can do then we are in good shape.
Also, I really wish Henry had left the troll up there for all to see, as I’m genuinely curious about who would defend this and how. Henry does have a long history of being a very sensitive poster, but one of the better things about the net is how it reveals the enemy. It’s not like there was any room for a substantive discussion of this nonsense anyway — we’re all just here to marvel at it.
Bloix 02.20.08 at 10:56 pm
Golza-
Obama’s mother’s parents were raised Baptist and Methodist. She was brought up Unitarian and became an atheist. She was an interesting person. This is worth reading:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-0703270151mar27,0,5157609.story
praisegod barebones 02.20.08 at 11:02 pm
9. I don’t think that we should burn O’Reilly at the stake for this until we’ve got more evidence of what he really meant…
13. Not only a Jew, but a Jewish Muslim. In fact, quite possibly a Jewish Muslim communist.
When I was growing up, in seventeenth century England, most of the guys I knew with that background were heavily into drugs. And eating babies. Often while fornicating with the devil.
I think we should dig into this Obama guy’s background a bit more
luci 02.20.08 at 11:11 pm
as adrock summed the argument up:
(1) When I was growing up, all the mixed race people I knew were communists (in New York). (2) Its a historical fact that most white woman/black man relationships in the 50s were because of communism (in the US). (3) Therefore, Barack Obama’s family origins are worthy of inquiry
Why was it necessary for Shiffren to bring up the circumstantial evidence? I’m sure Obama’s family origins will be investigated anyway, and any Communist mentors exposed. Why is her hunch, born from her personal experience from seeing black men/jewish women couples, relevant?
And why does she think “political correctness” would stop evidence of Communist influences in Obama’s past from surfacing? Communist leanings are scandalous enough in the US surely, by themselves, to be newsworthy.
Seems her argument could only be a slur – to color Obama as a potential Communist, in the absence of evidence (since it would surface if it’s there), on the basis of his racial background.
What a dork.
JP Stormcrow 02.20.08 at 11:14 pm
It’s all coming together. See this piece of Cliff Kincaid crap about Obama’s “Commie Mentor”.
JP Stormcrow 02.20.08 at 11:20 pm
Well timed comment, luci. (I was off finding the Kincaid link.)
stet 02.20.08 at 11:24 pm
But Communism is good.
Bloix 02.20.08 at 11:49 pm
And what about Sammy Davis Jr – he was a Jew who married a white woman! Which one of them was the communist?
Golza 02.21.08 at 1:14 am
Bloix, worth reading. What a great American story Obama is. I wonder if America will see that.
Dan S. 02.21.08 at 4:01 am
“ And how had these two come together at a time when it was neither natural nor easy for such relationships to flourish? Always through politics. No, not the young Republicans. Usually the Communist Youth League. Or maybe a different arm of the CPUSA. ”
I think it clarifies matters to consider that for Ms. Schffrin, “a different arm of the CPUSA” probably includes CORE, SNCC, etc.
(And how on earth did she know so much about how all her multiracial classmates’ parents met? – Oh, wait, I forgot what kind of writing we’re talking about . . . .)
Mrs Tilton 02.21.08 at 9:43 am
mq @20,
the troll’s (sk, or was that a disemvowelled word too?) point, such as it is, is that Henry is quoting not from the Schiffren NRO piece but from Belle’s blog post about it. So the real racist here is Belle. QED, apparently. (I think the troll was also trying to bring teh funny. If so, it should keep its day job.)
It’s good that the troll pointed this out for us, because if it hadn’t, we’d never have guessed from Henry’s post (“Belle … describes the argument of a … post at NRO’s The Corner”) that the words above were Belle’s and not Schiffren’s. Sure, that is the plain meaning of Henry’s words, but this is obviously a case of hiding in plain sight.
Why do Henry and Belle hate blacks and Jews? Their hatred makes Lisa Schiffren cry.
Martin G. 02.21.08 at 10:04 am
I saw a Barack Obama poster on Flickr a few months ago which was very communist in its iconography. My first reaction to the poster was “creepy, beige communist jesus”. So I’d like to have it on record that I was first to discover that Obama is a black communist jew. If only I’d discovered about the madrassas as well.
Dan S. 02.21.08 at 10:55 am
“It’s good that the troll pointed this out for us, because if it hadn’t, we’d never have guessed from Henry’s post (“Belle … describes the argument of a … post at NRO’s The Cornerâ€) that the words above were Belle’s and not Schiffren’s”
Ask not at whom the Belle LOLs, she LOLs at National Review . . .
OK, maybe that needs a bit more work.
thompsaj 02.21.08 at 10:57 am
don’t lean on me man because you can’t afford the ticket
Dan S. 02.21.08 at 11:22 am
There once was a gal on the Corner
Who realized she just had to warn ya:
“If you connect the dots,
it’s a Communist plot
that Obama was ever born-a!”
Alex 02.21.08 at 12:24 pm
These people really need to think about what is likely to happen to their movement if/when the extremism they constantly encourage leads them into conflict with the anti-terrorism state.
vanya 02.21.08 at 1:36 pm
Even if Obama were the product of a Communist Negro and Jewess – so what? Are we now all responsible for the political beliefs of our parents? Ironically there is nothing more Bolshevik than tarring someone as an enemy because of their parents’ political affiliation. Is that what NRO wants? A world where every candidate has to demonstrate 4 or 5 generations of unsullied ideological purity? What am I saying, of course that’s what they want.
Theron 02.21.08 at 1:38 pm
A good point, Alex. Though I’m sure they’d tell you Timothy McVeigh was an Islamofascist.
Jack Fear 02.21.08 at 1:57 pm
@36: They’ve already seen it happen, though. Don’t you remember the 1990s? Ruby Ridge? Waco? The folk-canonization of Eric Rudolph? The Michigan Militia?
Back in the day, it was the conservatives raving about heavy-handed government tactics and the erosion of civil liberties. The same maniacal pundits who are now crying “treason” at anyone who dares question this administration’s right to wiretap, detain, and torture without due process were advising their listeners on how to most effectively gun down an ATF officer in body armor. (Answer, per G. Gordon Liddy: “Head shots, head shots! Kill the sons of bitches!”)
Of course, all that stuff happened under ZOG a Democratic president, so it was characterized as “resistance.”
Jack Fear 02.21.08 at 2:00 pm
Or, short form: What Theron said. (Also, there should’ve been a strike through
ZOG; shoddy HTML ruins yet another not-very-funny-to-begin-with joke! Curses!)Alex 02.21.08 at 2:54 pm
Yes; but can you imagine those events in the political climate of today, or rather tomorrow?
Matt McIrvin 02.21.08 at 3:07 pm
Ruby Ridge happened under Bush I (and the Waco standoff began prior to Clinton’s inauguration, though the final blowup was after).
Not that this makes much difference to your point, it’s just something that people get wrong more often than right and I wanted to correct it before someone else ran away with it.
Jack Fear 02.21.08 at 3:54 pm
@43: You are, of course, correct. My larger point was simply that these people always, always, always need an Enemy—and that the emergence of a foreign adversary was a godsend for the ruling classes, enabling them to co-opt the violent paranoia of those who had previously sought their enemies domestically.
JP Stormcrow 02.21.08 at 4:00 pm
The folk-canonization of Eric Rudolph?
Or indirectly of McVeigh himself. McVeigh was wearing a “Sic Semper Tyrannis” T-Shirt with Lincoln’s face on it when he was arrested. Later that year Southern Partisan which sold the shirts sent out the following:
SamChevre 02.21.08 at 6:19 pm
I saw (and still regret not buying) a “Run, Rudolph, Run” shirt in western NC, with a caricatured FBI agent stopping a baffled reindeer.
Crystal 02.22.08 at 12:33 am
@15: Ack. That sorta makes life-long celibacy seem tempting.
It’s a pity Ann Obama is dead. She would make one hell of a cool, interesting First Mother. Certainly knocking Barbara Bush and her pearls into a cocked hat.
bert 02.22.08 at 1:05 am
They smeared Martin Luther King as a Communist simp.
In the 60s Jesse Helms went on TV to denounce the civil rights movement’s leaders, and their combination of “communism, socialism and sex perversion” – which sounds like catnip for Lisa.
He didn’t mellow with age. From Helms’ 1983 speech against the MLK Day public holiday:
(I was looking for a link to the speech, but it seems to only be reproduced on wingnut race-baiting sites. Anyway, you probably don’t need a link to figure out what comes after the dots.)
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Of course, it is important to note that Helms was a miscegenator himself, thus presumably Jewish and not to be trusted.
bert 02.22.08 at 1:08 am
Any chance, while you’re moderating, of cleaning up the blockquote? It goes all the way to Nevertheless…
Sorry to ask – each paragraph needs its own one, I gather.
Fats Durston 02.22.08 at 2:18 pm
Ah yes, what North Carolinian could forget Helms’s “University of Negroes and Communists” (Chapel Hill) crack!
Hattie 02.23.08 at 8:30 am
What crap. These people don’t get around at all, know nothing, and are full of it.
gobineau 02.24.08 at 8:38 pm
Of course, it is important to note that Helms was a miscegenator himself, thus presumably Jewish and not to be trusted.
I think you’re thinking of Strom Thurmond, who of course took better care of his ‘natural child’ than did Mr. Obama (Sr.) who left his son to be raised on the social capital built up by white society (and look at the news story linked earlier — 100% white). You’re error has probably be caused by the vapors you liberals experience by someone even hinting the miscegenation is not necessarily a good thing.
gobineau 02.24.08 at 8:51 pm
BTW the linked news story pretty much proves Schiffren’s point, the woman was raised in an intellectual atmosphere (100% white as far as I can see) that sought to undermine the social order. No doubt most here think that good, some may think it bad. But its a fact. Interestingly, Tiger Wood’s wife’s mother was also quite a lefty — Swedish ‘Immigration and Asylum’ minister in a Social Democratic government. Now obviously Tiger Woods is a great catch financially and by all accounts a good guy — but the genetic uniqueness that was that particular Nordic family is now gone, and I have no doubt that the politics of Wood’s wife’s mother played a part in that. Western Europeans and their descendants elsewhere in the world seem to be bent on self-democide.
Righteous Bubba 02.24.08 at 8:53 pm
Commenter Koo-Koo Bananas 53 is on
tosomething.bert 02.25.08 at 4:41 am
Oops, Thurmond. Absolutely right.
Smearing Helms, how awful.
CT readers might be interested to hear that Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University has a Jesse Helms School, where you can study for a BS in Government.
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