Maybe this could be an ongoing series

by Kieran Healy on August 4, 2010

Last month, you may recall, the fascist octopus made a real-life appearance during the world cup. And this month, Ayatollah Ali Khameni says more or less directly that if you want to dance, you can’t be part of their revolution.

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BillCinSD 08.04.10 at 12:11 am

so how many degrees of separation between Kevin Bacon and Emma Goldman?

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roac 08.04.10 at 12:44 am

Kevin Bacon was in The Firm with Wilford Brimley; Wilford Brimley was in Cocoon with Maureen Stapleton; Maureen Stapleton played Emma Goldman in Reds.

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roac 08.04.10 at 12:49 am

Oops, I telescoped this. (Can we haz edit function, plz?) Kevin Bacon was in River Wild with David Strathairn; David Strathairn was in The Firm with Wilford Brimley; Wilford Brimley was in Cocoon with Maureen Stapleton; Maureen Stapleton played Emma Goldman in Reds. This can surely be improved on, but somebody has to lead off.

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vivian 08.04.10 at 1:18 am

Extra points if you link via Erdos…

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don't quote me on that 08.04.10 at 2:46 am

Kevin Bacon was in “A Few Good Men” with Jack Nicholson; Nicholson was in “Heartburn” with Jean Stapleton; Stapleton played Emma Goldman in “Reds.”

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BillCinSD 08.04.10 at 6:48 am

I think I have an Erdos-Bacon route

Bacon was in New York, I Love You with Natalie Portman

Natalie Portman (using her birthname Herschlag) can be linked to Paul Erdos through a paper with Abigail Beard, who published with MS Gazzininga, who published with JD Victor, who published with J Gillis who published with Erdos

Erdos can be linked to Danica McKellar in 4 steps (D. Preiss, R. Kotecky, L. Chayes)

Danica McKellar was in The Wonder Years with Olivia D’Abo

Olivia D’Abo was in The Last Good Time with Maureen Stapleton

Maureen Stapleton played Emma Goldman

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Anarcho 08.04.10 at 8:14 am

A wee bit of revolutionary trivia, but Emma Goldman did not quite say that famous quote of hers. It is a paraphrase, according to Alix Kates Shulman. Still, I think we can all agree that she would have agreed with the paraphrase.

“I want freedom, the right to self-expression, everybody’s right to beautiful, radiant things.” Emma Goldman

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ajay 08.04.10 at 8:34 am

The challenge, I think, would be to link to Emma Goldman herself.

Alix Kates Shulman edited a collection of Goldman speeches (Red Emma Speaks) – that, arguably, gets you into contemporary academia. If someone can come up with a good co-authorship path from Shulman to a film-friendly academic (Marshall McLuhan, say?) then we’re in business.

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chris y 08.04.10 at 10:06 am

Emma Goldman – Margaret Sanger – Upton Sinclair – Robert Heinlein – Arthur C Clarke – Stanley Kubrick – Tom Cruise – Kevin Bacon.

You could probably detour to Erdos from Heinlein via Asimov, but I can’t do it at the moment.

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ajay 08.04.10 at 10:13 am

Actually, I think I prefer Emma Goldman – Emmanuel Goldstein – Winston Smith – John Hurt – Alien – Underground Goddam Monsters – Kevin Bacon.

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zamfir 08.04.10 at 10:23 am

Emma Goldman had a friend and financial backer named Aline Barnsdale. Barnsdale had her house designed by Lloyd Wright, who was a friend of Lewis Mumford who was a pal of Edmund Bacon, Kevin’s father. Probably, Lloyd Wright and Edmund Bacon (who was apparently an influential city planner) knew each other well, but I can’t find evidence for that.

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BenSix 08.04.10 at 11:23 am

Ayatollah Ali Khameni says more or less directly that if you want to dance, you can’t be part of their revolution…

Oh, Christ, I smell another Dirty Dancing sequel…

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roac 08.04.10 at 1:29 pm

Well done, don’t quote me on that @ 5, except that you mean Maureen not Jean.

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Cannoneo 08.04.10 at 3:14 pm

This should really start with Bacon’s turn in Footloose, in which John Lithgow played the Baptist ayatollah. Lithgow was a Harvard ’67 who lived on the same hall as Al Gore. And if you need even one extra link to go from Gore’s environazism to Goldman’s free-love fascism, then clearly you haven’t read your Jonah Goldberg.

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roac 08.04.10 at 3:58 pm

It occurred to me that you do actually get from Bacon to Goldman through Reds, because of the inclusion in the movie of the interview footage with the old radicals, some of whom certainly knew Goldman (I’m not familiar with all of them). Even assuming Maureen Stapleton herself didn’t interact with (e.g.) Rebecca West, Warren Beatty must have.

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ajay 08.04.10 at 4:46 pm

Ha! Nice one roac. But I think that for a Bacon number you actually have to appear in the film, not just know someone – was Goldman ever on film? She must have been. Newsreels and so on.

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roac 08.04.10 at 5:01 pm

It’s a good question. The only entry for her in IMdB is as “Character,” for Reds. I don’t know how to research newsreel footage other than by blind Googling, which got me nowhere.

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maestrojon 08.04.10 at 5:57 pm

What about this total cheat: Steven Fischler and Joel Sucher directed a documentary in 1983 called Anarchism in America, in which a clip of Goldman speaking is used (here). Nine years later they also direct another documentary on the life of Oliver Stone that includes a clip of Kevin Bacon. So, just two illegal moves. Simples.

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roac 08.04.10 at 6:12 pm

Proof of my out-of-itness that I didn’t think about YouTube when I wrote my last post. There is in fact a newsreel clip of EG on there, made when she came back to the US in 1934. Unfortunately she is strictly a talking head in it, with nobody else to be seen except two or three interviewers (backs of heads visible only, and briefly).

There is a documentary called Anarchism in America which is said to include a clip, but it sounds like the same one.

(Incidentally, my version of the Kevin Bacon game covers live shows as well as films, because that way I can say I am at four degrees from the Man myself.)

(While I am incidentalizing, thanks to Zamfir for the information about KB’s father, which I didn’t know. His Wiki page says he was friends with, among others, James Rouse — who was the grandfather of Edward Norton. Hypothesis for testing: The genes for urban planning and movie stardom are on the same chromosome.)

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ajay 08.04.10 at 6:30 pm

There is a documentary called Anarchism in America which is said to include a clip, but it sounds like the same one.

Well, you don’t have to be in the same shot as someone for it to count, just in the same film. So it’s:

Emma Goldman
was in “Anarchism in America” with
Jello Biafra
who was in “Tapeheads” with
Xander Berkeley
who was in “A Few Good Men” with
Kevin Bacon.

So Emma Goldman has a Bacon number of 3. Same as mine.

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roac 08.04.10 at 6:42 pm

Victory for ajay. (Provisionally.)

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zamfir 08.04.10 at 6:45 pm

Roac, the alternative explanation is that both Norton and Bacon are from a pretty small elite background.

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tomslee 08.04.10 at 11:02 pm

Ayatollah Ali Khameni appears as himself in “A Decade Under the Influence” along with Warren Beatty, who appeared with Oliver Platt in Bulworth who appeared in Flatliners with Kevin Bacon.

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bad Jim 08.05.10 at 2:22 am

Wikiquote gives the context:

At the dances I was one of the most untiring and gayest. One evening a cousin of Sasha, a young boy, took me aside. With a grave face, as if he were about to announce the death of a dear comrade, he whispered to me that it did not behoove an agitator to dance. Certainly not with such reckless abandon, anyway. It was undignified for one who was on the way to become a force in the anarchist movement. My frivolity would only hurt the Cause.

I grew furious at the impudent interference of the boy. I told him to mind his own business. I was tired of having the Cause constantly thrown into my face. I did not believe that a Cause which stood for a beautiful ideal, for anarchism, for release and freedom from convention and prejudice, should demand the denial of life and joy. I insisted that our Cause could not expect me to become a nun and that the movement would not be turned into a cloister. If it meant that, I did not want it. “I want freedom, the right to self-expression, everybody’s right to beautiful, radiant things.” Anarchism meant that to me, and I would live it in spite of the whole world — prisons, persecution, everything. Yes, even in spite of the condemnation of my own closest comrades I would live my beautiful ideal.

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bad Jim 08.05.10 at 6:30 am

See also George Washington during the Revolutionary War:

But what dancing days they had been! Assemblies, balls with friends, parties with fellow officers and their ladies, dances with the French allies and a merry frisk in 1779 when he and General Greene’s wife, Catharine, danced “upwards of three hours without once sitting down”

So much for “The revolution is not a dinner party” or “This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no fooling around.”

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ajay 08.05.10 at 8:34 am

Ayatollah Ali Khameni appears as himself in “A Decade Under the Influence” along with Warren Beatty

I bet the post-wrap party was fabulous.

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Chris Williams 08.05.10 at 10:00 am

Yeah, but it wasn’t televised dancing, was it?

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Kragen Javier Sitaker 08.11.10 at 8:35 pm

I don’t suppose Khamenei is opposed to “chanting prayers,” is he? That’s one Persian custom that would be called “music” in the US. On the other hand, it doesn’t normally involve dancing.

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