In Ukraine people, mainly women and children, are leaving their homes. This means leaving, probably forever, the private spaces in which they have constructed lives. It means leaving carefully planned gardens, or collections of books or objects, of projects of home decoration on which thought and labour was expended, of knives, sieves, pots and cookery books. For children it means leaving all those toys and books that can’t be carried. In short all the everyday things that people make from their lives. It means ruptures, perhaps permanent, in personal friendships and acquaintances, with those left behind to fight, with playmates, with cousins. It means the loss of familiar landscapes with their distinctive weather and their animals and plants. And then a trudge through danger and the possibility of instant death to put oneself at the mercy of strangers, as an object perhaps of their solidarity, but also of their pity. Paths trodden by other refugees, by Palestinians, Syrians, Afghans, Iraqis, Sudanese and Somalis in the recent past, by many in Ethiopia right now.
This we know. This is real. Also that this is the result of men with war machines blasting homes apart, burning and cutting human bodies, including bodies of those born in love and with all the possibilities of a human life in the future. Men with war machines acting on the orders of other men, perhaps in the grip of fantasies of ethnic Anschluss, perhaps convinced that raison d’état and their “legitimate security interests” given them sufficient reason to blast and cut and burn those bodies, to end those possibilies, to sever people from their homes and friends.
Compassion and solidarity are not the unique preserves of the left, but they are a big part of the reason why many of us ended up on this part of the political spectrum. A concern for the suffering, the downtrodden, the marginalized and excluded and an admiration for those who fight back against abuse, exploitation and oppression, who affirm our shared humanity in adversity.
Yet as I read around “left” reactions to the war I find that some are focused not on such solidarity but on rather alienated discourses of great power politics, some of which masquerade as “anti-imperialism”. Usually we have a pro-forma declaration that Putin’s aggression is “criminal”, but then a rather abstracted discussion of whether it is nevertheless understandable in some way. Perhaps, even, the supposedly supreme strategists in the White House and Pentagon are those truly responsible and have sought to provoke or ensnare Putin into a disastrous war. Milder versions of this thesis abound, shared across a wider gamut of politics, asking whether NATO expansion was a mistake. Well maybe, though to be honest I lack the capacity to run the counterfactuals in my head and work out how history would have run if this or that decision had been taken differently in nineteen-ninety something. I suspect that most of those writing glib pieces of grand strategy from a “left” perspective also lack that capacity, but somehow the urge to play toy soldiers takes over anyway. In any case, none of these strategic calculations could justify maiming a single child, let alone the unburied bodies on the streets of Mariupol.
Perhaps the owl of Minerva will get to tell us what the underlying explanations and calculation were, if we all get to live that long. Of course we have to think about how we got here, but our first thought has to be with the displaced and the murdered and with those who today resist displacement and murder and not with how it all fits in to our grand theoretical schemas.
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nastywoman 03.11.22 at 9:48 am
‘Yet as I read around “left” reactions to the war I find that some are focused not on such solidarity but on rather alienated discourses of great power politics, some of which masquerade as “anti-imperialism”. Usually we have a pro-forma declaration that Putin’s aggression is “criminal”, but then a rather abstracted discussion of whether it is nevertheless understandable in some way’.
which proves that such ‘Whataboutism’ is NOT ‘left’ reactions –
it’s the reactions of ‘Right-Wing Racist Science Denying Warmongering Idiots’ –
who answer if they are asked about the future of the Ukraine with:
‘I hate windmills’
(like ‘trump’ the worlds new word for ‘Right-Wing Racist Science Denying Warmongering Idiots’)
David J Zimny 03.11.22 at 9:57 am
An honest and empathetic social science should be able to endorse all of the following statements:
The desire of Western governments to push NATO and EU membership as far east as possible contributed to Vladimir Putin’s paranoid sense of encirclement.
Putin’s decision to go to war was an inhuman, inexcusable violation of international law.
Putin is personally responsible for this decision, regardless of his paranoia and sense of isolation.
Timothy Scriven 03.11.22 at 10:07 am
It seems odd to be decrying cynicism and emotional detachment when the vast majority of the discourse has been anything but emotionally detached, and the big question on the policy table is “to what degree are we willing to risk nuclear war, in pursuit of our outrage”. Is this really the direction the stick needs to be bent in right now?
notGoodenough 03.11.22 at 11:09 am
Timothy Scriven @ 3
Perhaps a better question on the policy table might be “to what degree are we willing to open borders and ensure safe transit for refugees, in pursuit of minimising the casualties and offering safe harbour to people who need it?”
nastywoman 03.11.22 at 12:08 pm
@
‘An honest and empathetic social science should be able to endorse all of the following statements:
The desire of Western governments to push NATO and EU membership as far east as…
FULL STOP!
‘Solidarity and compassion should come first’
(and not for the left)
And as a member of the European Peace Movement ALL MY LIFE –
it more and more makes me completely SICK if somebody – anybody comes up with this Nato argument while a Brutal War-Criminal Monster is killing my neighbours WHO –
and let me repeat this until it finally gets into the heads of the ‘WhataoutaboutNatoists’
The Ukrainian people FIRST made their choice for EUROPE -(and NOT for Nato)
Instead for a Dictatorship of a past Russian Empire –
AND that it would have been helpful for them –
if somebody –
or something like ‘Nato’
would have protected their FREE Choice
NOW
only speaks for such a defence pact and NOT against it!
Capisce?!
tm 03.11.22 at 1:19 pm
@3 “the big question on the policy table”
I rather think, the big question right now is to what extent are we willing to pay higher energy prices/reduce our energy consumption in order to stop Putin’s war machine. The frightening prospect is that our governments might, for once, do the right thing, only to be punished in the next election by the SUV lobby who couldn’t care less about the humantiarian crisis in Mariupol as long as they have access to cheap energy; with the very real possibility, in the US at least, of a full scale fascist takeover with the prospect of a new Trump-Putin axis.
Granted there are other frightening possibilities. Russian behavior around Ukrainian nuclear installations has been reckless to say the least.
tm 03.11.22 at 1:21 pm
Regarding the shameful response on parts of the left, in the US for example the DSA (1) and Jacobin (2), in Europe for example Le Monde Diplomatique (3) (an international left wing project published monthly in many languages) whose director Serge Halimi has right before the war suggested that Biden was the real war-monger: I regard these factions as anti-liberal nihilists who are willing to join forces with the fascists in order to harm the hated “liberal elite”. The left needs a reckoning with these factions (4). I’m very angry at these arm chair “anti-imperialists” who have for years been parroting the imperialist lies of a right wing revanchist authoritarian leader under the theory that the enemy is liberalism and “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
(1) Regarding DSA: https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/02/the-dsa-international-committee-is-very-wrong-on-ukraine
(2) Regarding Jacobin: Jan 28: “Washington officials have been terrifying the world with warnings of an imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine. But everyone else in a position to know seems pretty sure there isn’t one coming.” (https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1487161056321486859)
Jacobin Feb 9: The Media’s Neo-McCarthyism on Russia Is Getting Worse
Kritik: https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/02/you-do-not-under-any-circumstances-gotta-hand-it-to-maga-fascists
Jacobin Feb. 24: “Vladimir Putin is ultimately responsible for whatever horror he unleashes. But save some outrage for those Western governments who chose to make war inevitable by refusing to compromise.” (https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1496693868955246599)
Also, what I said on the other thread: https://crookedtimber.org/2022/02/24/russian-invasion-of-ukraine/#comment-816663
(3) Serge Halimi, LMD February 2022: “Sucht man allerdings einen Präsidenten, der Interesse daran haben könnte, seiner Unbeliebtheit mit militärischem Muskelspiel entgegenzuwirken, so bietet sich Joseph Biden nicht weniger an als sein russicher Kollege. … die Ukraine-Krise (bietet) der US-Regierung eine schöne Gelegenheit, ihre Verbündeten zur Ordnung zu rufen und die Reihen auf dem alten Kontinent zu schliessen.”
(4) George Monbiot: We must confront Russian propaganda – even when it comes from those we respect
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/02/russian-propaganda-anti-imperialist-left-vladimir-putin
Taras Bilous: A letter to the Western Left from Kyiv
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/a-letter-to-the-western-left-from-kyiv/
Starry Gordon 03.11.22 at 2:43 pm
If we are stumbling around on the edge of an abyss, it seems necessary to ask how we got here, even if the answers are inconvenient or uncomfortable for a lot of people. If only to figure out where we are to keep from stepping entirely off the edge.
If “we” matter.
oldster 03.11.22 at 3:58 pm
Thank you, Chris. True and humane.
“…the underling explanations…”
Is “underling” a typo for “underlying”?
Thomas P 03.11.22 at 3:58 pm
@2 I’d add a number of recent wars by other countries that weakened international law, gave the impression that if you were strong enough you’d get away with anything. It’s similar to how before WW II Italy’s invasion of Ethiopia and Japan of Korea and China weakened League of Nations.
@5 Condeming Putin is easy and justified, but it won’t solve the current crisis. To do that you have to look at all factors that caused the crisis, and NATO-expansion is certainly one of them. Putin probably wanted to incoroprate Ukraine in any case, but without the deadline of NATO-membership gave it could have been a problem that could wait until next year forever.
I’d rephrase Chris´final statement as: of course we have to think about how we got here, but our first thought has to be how to end the war and stop the killing and destruction, if that is even possible at this point when no one can accept looking weak by agreeing to a painful compromise.
Aardvark Cheeselog 03.11.22 at 4:18 pm
I like to think of myself as “left” and also as “realist.” So, a month ago I would have said (did say, in several conversations) that probably anybody who could plausibly be in Putin’s job would have ambitions for Russia to reincorporate Ukraine, and that if Russia wanted it bad enough there would be nothing NATO could do to stop them. For this reason I would (did) advocate that it would be a bad idea for Ukraine to join NATO, because that would make Article 5 a non-credible threat.
But one of the things about being a realist is that you have to recognize when reality changes. And being a realist this week involves acknowledging that the whole world seems determined to resist this. Hell is freezing over, with the Swiss promising to surrender the bank accounts of the oligarchs and the Swedes sending lethal weapons to the Ukrainians.
Pittsburgh Mike 03.11.22 at 4:54 pm
Agreed on all points.
One other thing people sometimes forget when people talk about these counterfactuals: NATO expansion has already bought Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Chechia, the Baltics and Germany 30 years free of Russian domination. That is, NATO expansion isn’t necessarily a bad idea even if 30 years on, some schmuck uses it as as excuse to start a brutal war.
IRL, after Eastern Europe spent nearly two generations under Russian domination, being invaded (Hungary ’56, Czechoslovakia ’68, Poland ’80) any time they tried to elect a government a little less dominated by Russia, there was no way on Earth that those countries wouldn’t beg to be in NATO after 1989, and no way that NATO would refuse them. That’s reality: for 45 years, avoiding a nuclear war meant that no NATO military assistance could go to Eastern Europeans while Russian troops were present. So, when they finally had an opening, the Eastern Europeans would do anything to get NATO troops stationed in Eastern Europe, and that’s what happened.
J, not that one 03.11.22 at 5:00 pm
It’s a hard thread to weave between trying to think at a high level and caring about what matters to people who don’t, and a lot of online political types (not just on the left, I think) have put so much effort into polishing their public image as a Knower that they committed to dismissing Lesser considerations. This appears to go for many people with a disdain for what they consider addressing symptoms rather than Root Causes.
I’m not satisfied with the solution of letting the white men and a few tokens have the former while women, people of color, the disabled, LGBTQ+, the nursing and social work professions, etc., take on the task of reminding “people” that “people” are constantly forgetting us. Adding war refugees on occasion to the group doesn’t change the dynamic. It’s still the right thing to do.
nastywoman 03.11.22 at 5:31 pm
I like to think of myself as “left” and also as “realist.” So, a month ago I would have said (did say, in several conversations) that probably anybody who could plausibly be in Putin’s job would never have ambitions for Russia to INVADE Ukraine, and if Russia -(and NOT ‘Putin’) wanted it bad enough there would be nothing the Ukrainian People could do to stop them. For this reason I would (did) advocate that it would be a bad idea for Ukraine to join NATO, because – what for.
But one of the things about being a realist is that you have to recognize when reality changes. And being a realist this week involves acknowledging that the whole world seems determined to resist a Brutal War Criminal who tries to kill innocent people. Heaven is opening, with even the Swiss promising to surrender the bank accounts of the oligarchs and the Swedes sending weapons in order to help the Ukrainians.
Or in other words Solidarity and compassion should come from everybody – ‘Human’!
anon/portly 03.11.22 at 6:02 pm
Usually we have a pro-forma declaration that Putin’s aggression is “criminal”, but then a rather abstracted discussion of whether it is nevertheless understandable in some way. Perhaps, even, the supposedly supreme strategists in the White House and Pentagon are those truly responsible and have sought to provoke or ensnare Putin into a disastrous war. Milder versions of this thesis abound, shared across a wider gamut of politics, asking whether NATO expansion was a mistake.
I think this is exactly right. And immediately in comment 2 we get a classic example:
The desire of Western governments to push NATO and EU membership as far east as possible contributed to Vladimir Putin’s paranoid sense of encirclement.
“Putin’s paranoid sense of entitlement” is a complete invention, no more real, really, than pixie dust or faeries. Perhaps “sense of entitlement” is just shorthand for “Putin’s way of acting and thinking,” which based on everything I’ve read has been remarkably consistent over time, not something that the “paranoid” or “contributed to” concepts would seem to illuminate in the slightest.
“The desire of Western governments to push NATO and EU membership as far east as possible” was obviously a good thing, it (at least in part) translates to “the desire of Western governments to prevent the humanitarian disaster we see occurring now.”
And the “Occam’s Razor” type reason Putin was against it is that it would have foreclosed him from instigating the humanitarian disaster we see now.
None of this is to say Western governments have acted wisely and aren’t deserving of all kinds of criticism. Nor is it to say that a really smart set of policies didn’t exist that would have kept Putin from eventually attacking Ukraine while at the same time maintaining Ukraine’s independence in a fashion satisfactory to the Ukrainians – I have no idea.
anon/portly 03.11.22 at 6:06 pm
Aargh, “sense of encirclement.”
My comment actually makes more sense with “sense of encirclement,” I think “Putin’s paranoid sense of encirclement” is the complete invention, not real in any meaningful way. Putin cares about his invasion choice set being restricted, not having NATO forces in this place or that place. (He has a lot of nukes, as is being pointed out in other contexts).
“Sense of entitlement” he maybe has, but who doesn’t?
J, not that one 03.11.22 at 6:14 pm
Rather than greed on NATO’s part may just be reluctance to renegotiate everything in 1990. It wasn’t broken so they didn’t fix it, instead waited until it was pushed to the breaking point. Arguably the last few to join NATO might have triggered a sense that it was time for a replacement, but how could you deny Romania when you’d admitted Hungary, and how can you deny Turkey and Ukraine after that?
The emergence of blocs within NATO, as neo-fascists look like they could take control in Poland and Hungary, with Russia potentially supporting them from at least some part of Ukrainian territory, was in the future even without this war.
The weirdness of groups undeniably on the left (along with some only by self-declaration) supporting neo-fascists, apparently solely because they’re supported by the Kremlin and opposed by the US, is also unlikely to go away by any means I can see.
J, not that one 03.11.22 at 6:22 pm
I don’t know whether to suggest deleting “Turkey” from my earlier comment, or suggesting I did it intentionally to make a larger point about EU expansion having a similar effect to NATO’s. I’ll just say “editing error” and imply I had more to say that actually made sense regarding Turkey but deleted it.
marcel proust 03.11.22 at 7:46 pm
Note to @”J, not that one”: Turkey has been a member of NATO for 70 years and a few weeks, Romania for not quite 18 years.
Source: Wikipedia
Fake Dave 03.11.22 at 10:08 pm
@11
“Reality” didn’t “change.” You were simply wrong in your assumptions. A perfect realist with perfect information would have made no such mistake. Unfortunately, there are no perfect realists only imperfect ones that reality hasn’t gotten around to correcting yet.p
John Quiggin 03.12.22 at 1:14 am
TM @7
As I have contributed to Jacobin in the past, I was disappointed to read your comment, and went there to see what had been said. I found this, which seemed both unequivocal in its denunciation of Putin and insightful in its analysis of the situation in Ukraine. https://jacobinmag.com/2022/03/ukraine-socialist-interview-russian-invasion-war-putin-nato-imperialism
Standfirst: “Vladimir Putin uses the language of “demilitarization” to pursue an aggressive imperial policy against Ukraine. In an interview for Jacobin, a Ukrainian socialist explains the falseness of the Kremlin’s pretexts — and why the war could drag on for years.”
Bob 03.12.22 at 1:44 am
What Chris said. Thanks, Chris.
Fake Dave 03.12.22 at 5:42 am
If we’re talking about mealy-mouthed leftists playing Putin’s advocate, The Nation continues to be among the worst offenders. Katrina Vanden Huevel in her dual role as Nation honcho and WaPo opinionator has once again shown herself to be queen of the useful idiots. Her last six op-eds are basically all drawn from the same playbook with only the slightest change in tune when the air raids started. A) Putin’s warmongering is bad, but b) really this is all NATO’s fault so C) rather than rushing to start a New Cold War, D) we should boldly recommit ourselves to the path of peace and diplomacy E) by restarting the Minsk process (because that was working so well) or F) just let Russia have Ukraine.
Why doesn’t what Ukraine wants matter? Well, as she’s quick to point out, the US has been meddling there too (there’s no equivalency like false equivalency!), but also because she apparently just doesn’t respect Ukraine at all. This quote from Feb 15 is illustrative:
“If Ukraine does blow up [passive voice!], questions about our course—already constricted by administration officials lobbing McCarthy-esque accusations at critics and reporters—might easily be overwhelmed by patriotic zealotry. [Both sides do it!] So it is worth asking now: What is this conflict about? [Besides Ukraine, apparently.]
It certainly isn’t about the West’s defense of Ukraine. Three US presidents have made it clear that the United States does not believe Ukraine is worth defending militarily. Despite continued flirtations, Ukraine is not part of NATO, nor is it likely ever to be admitted to NATO. [That’s some crystal ball she’s got there!] In reality, Ukraine is the closest thing Europe has to a failed state. [Congratulations, Moldova!] It’s the only Soviet republic whose economy has declined from where it was as of the Soviet Union’s breakup. As historian Adam Tooze has detailed, from 1990 to 2017, Ukraine’s gross domestic product per capita (in constant dollars) fell 20 percent. That’s the fifth worst in the world, above only the Democratic Republic of Congo, the United Arab Emirates, Burundi and Yemen.” [“So screw ’em.” Is that what she’s saying?]
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/a-path-out-of-the-ukraine-crisis/
That’s not even the worst block quote I could pull out. All her articles have had headscratching nonsequitors like that and other Nation writers have followed her tortured logic right off the cliff from crying “wag the dog!” the week before the invasion to bemoaning the poor ordinary Russians facing cruel (and, we are assured, ineffective and counterproductive) sanctions this week. There’s the expected denunciation of Putin’s warmongering and civilian casualties and vague expressions of solidarity with Ukrainian refugees (but never those staying to fight), but the “westsplaining” about NATO and Russia’s security interests in its “backyard” is so relentless that you’d be forgiven for thinking that this is NATO’s war and the Ukrainians just happen to be the ones dying for it. Western imperialism strikes again!
The whole approach — simultaneously callous and sanctimonious and driven by the contrarian inertia of habitual critics with no solutions of their own — is morally repugnant and intellectually indefensible. It is a tumor on the left — craven appeasement with an anarcho- pacifist gloss. It’s the very opposite of a responsible and respectable peace movement holding all belligerents accountable and is utterly corrosive to their stated goals of strengthening international norms of diplomacy and respect for human rights.
If they really believe Ukrainian sovereignty is just another pawn that must be sacrificed to avoid thermonuclear checkmate, they should just say so. If they believe anything else (and really aren’t trying to shill for Putin), then their arguments are even less explicable. Part of me is hoping that this latest rhetorical spew will prompt enough outrage to finally end KVH’s self-satisfied reign and a general reduction in the sheer quantity of contrarian idiocy on the left, but I’m not hopeful. There’s a long history of rich publishers treating their fun little political magazines as a clubhouse for them and their friends to say whatever sophomoric contrarian nonsense they want with absolutely consequences and that probably won’t change any time soon.
nastywoman 03.12.22 at 6:02 am
BUT
on the other hand
‘Solidarity and compassion ALWAYS should come first from the Worlds Media
AND
this time –
with the exception of a few Right-Wing Racist Science Denying FOXes -(and the Propaganda of the few Authoritarian Regimes) the Worlds Media has… delievered
being AGAINST
‘the War Fever of the Worst War Criminal of our Century’.
Even if a confused poster on another thread of CT just wrote:
‘Having seen the Western media and government response, and the pressure being applied to universities who haven’t fallen in line with the war fever, I can now well understand how the simple phrase ‘plucky little Belgium’ was used to send so many to their deaths in WWI.
WHAT?
So WHY are there
STILL –
especially on the Internet –
so many confused people, who “leave” reactions to the war – which are NOT focused on ‘solidarity and compassion’ but on a ‘rather alienated discourse of great power politics’, some of which masquerade as “anti-imperialism” – usually with a pro-forma declaration that Putin’s aggression is “criminal”, but then a rather abstracted discussion of whether it is nevertheless understandable in some way’.
Perhaps, because of one of the Internets favourite theories that some ‘supreme strategists in the White House and Pentagon are those truly responsible and have sought to provoke or ensnare Putin into a disastrous war.
With milder versions of this thesis abound, shared across a wider gamut of politics, asking whether NATO expansion was a mistake.
Well maybe?-
though to be honest I lack the capacity to run the counterfactuals in my head and work out how history would have run if this or that decision had been taken differently in nineteen-ninety something.
I suspect that most of those writing glib pieces of grand strategy from a “left” -(or especially a ‘right’) perspective also lack that capacity, but somehow the urge to play toy soldiers takes over anyway. In any case, none of these strategic calculations could justify maiming a single child, let alone the unburied bodies on the streets of Mariupol’.
Ray Vinmad 03.12.22 at 9:22 am
I didn’t want to comment before I looked around. I see many types of discussion that might fit the bill.
One seeks to understand. Maybe there is hubris in this. However, some of the people offering this type of discussion are Ukrainian, as in the Jacobin article mentioned by John Quiggin. They do not rely on sweeping theories of geopolitics though.
Another seeks to excuse or minimize. Or people seek to blame someone other than Putin. Mostly leftists and rightists in this group.
Another seeks to find justification for their favorite theory or flog past predictions, to do an ‘I told ya so.’ Many neoconservatives are in this camp. I find them as grotesque as the excuse-makers because they are trying to exploit suffering and shake off their own bloody crimes.
As far as I can tell, the politics of these takes are all over the place and don’t always make sense insofar as they are not consistent with the explicit commitment of the person making them. American ultra-nationalists like Ted Cruz are calling the US military weak while praising the manliness of Russia. So-called anonymous communists on Twitter are defending a communist-hating oligarch.
Were people always so prone to see every event that happens to others through a self-dealing lens or is something about the current historical moment? Is it an artifact of social media and the way it tempts us to brand our viewpoints?
It’s bad, whatever it is.
If you’re saying it’s a bit like a bunch of people yelling an explanation of the murderer’s motivations or the social causes at the person about to be murdered that seems exactly right.
nastywoman 03.12.22 at 11:55 am
and can I say that I actually wanted to write –
too –
what Fake Dave wrote
BUT as I’m NOT in Laguna YET –
(but soon will be)
AND I need this spirit of driving down the Coast Hwy to ‘Little Corona’ in order to get into
‘the mood’ being able to write:
The whole approach — simultaneously callous and sanctimonious and driven by the contrarian inertia of habitual critics with no solutions of their own — is morally repugnant and intellectually indefensible. It is a tumor on the left — craven appeasement with an anarcho- pacifist gloss. It’s the very opposite of a responsible and respectable peace movement holding all belligerents accountable and is utterly corrosive to their stated goals of strengthening international norms of diplomacy and respect for human rights’.
I will be soon – there –
too
Adam W 03.12.22 at 2:27 pm
I don’t get this take, at all. Its a regurgitation of a well trodden media theme from a week ago, trying to paint the “left” as Putin shills, but you’ve wrapped it in some sort of moral truism about how we on the left should be emotionally responding, with no evidence that its not happening.
We can say all we want about the failure of the left to build anti-war institutions and strategic capacities to respond, but when it gets reduced to moral invectives about what the “left” should do first, honestly hard to know the purpose other than self-flagellation / flagellation of one’s political enemies on the left.
Seekonk 03.12.22 at 4:47 pm
Serious question: Has the Biden administration’s response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine been about right given the circumstances, or is there something that the US government should be doing differently?
nastywoman 03.12.22 at 5:29 pm
@
‘Serious question: Has the Biden administration’s response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine been about right given the circumstances, or is there something that the US government should be doing differently?’
Serious answer – as the US in tis case reacted like the rest of the World -(with the exception of a few Authoritarian Dictatorships – let me quote one of my favourite ‘sisters’ the German (GREEN) Foreign Minister ‘Annalena’:
“We woke up in a different world today. … We are stunned, but not helpless.”!
nastywoman 03.12.22 at 5:38 pm
and about:
‘I don’t get this take, at all. Its a regurgitation of a well trodden media theme from a week ago, trying to paint the “left” as Putin shills, but you’ve wrapped it in some sort of moral truism about how we on the left should be emotionally responding, with no evidence that its not happening’.
BUT I already tried to tell everybody here it’s NOT ‘the left’.
The Idiot ‘Whataboutists’ who – mainly in America -(and on the Internet) try to divert and
deflect from Putins War Crimes might ‘once upon a time’ have been on ‘the left’
but now –
very obviously –
by saying what the are saying
and writing what there writing
can’t be ‘on the left’ as only Right-Wing Racist Science Denying Idiots
say and write what the
WHATABOUTIST
are saying and writing.
Right?
(Winky-Winky)
Suzanne 03.12.22 at 7:37 pm
Signing on to what Thomas P wrote @10.
I think that Patrick Cockburn, who has been in a war zone or two in his time, is to the point here:
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/demonising-russia-risks-making-compromise-impossible-and-prolonging-the-war-1512064
“The high emotions of 1914 were discounted as war hysteria – largely ignoring the fact that the German atrocities were all too real – and there was nothing wrong or hysterical about being angry over the mass killings of civilians………
This has been denounced as a particularly Russian way of war but every bombardment of a city that I have witnessed from Gaza to Douma in Damascus and Aleppo to Raqqa and Mosul ends up with the mass slaughter of civilians…….
The danger is that the understandable reaction to the butchery of civilians turns into all-embracing Russophobia that lets Putin off the hook and makes it very difficult to bring the war to an end.”
PatinIowa 03.12.22 at 7:49 pm
It’s possible to be nauseated by Putin at the same time as one is nauseated by the people suddenly deciding they’re against aggressive war based on lies. (See the people who voted for the Iraq War, of course.)
Some of us have decided that compassion and solidarity require pacifism. Most everybody else’s mileage on that varies. Fine. But don’t get all moral about solidarity and compassion if what you want to do is burn Russian conscripts to death with Molotov cocktails. If may be morally right, but it’s not compassion.
Here’s one truth. The right will get it almost entirely wrong and be welcomed in liberal public spaces, like the NY Times Op-Ed page, as if nothing happened. Any leftist who fails to cross their “t”s or dot their “i”s, will be denounced by everyone from Democrats to actual fascists.
It’s nauseating, in a somewhat different way.
William Berry 03.12.22 at 8:12 pm
That is not the passive voice, and the use of the exclamation point doesn’t make it so. “If” merely makes the statement a conditional, not passive.
No brief here for The Nation, or of its editors/ contributors.
The passive voice is misidentified a lot more often than it is actually used.
EWI 03.12.22 at 9:43 pm
Ray@25 “It’s bad, whatever it is.”
Is it as bad as the century-ago hot takes that claimed because Belgium was invaded on the Kaiser’s way to go attack the French, everyone had to go off and die for the British, German, Russian empires etc? There are less-worse responses than war fever against the Russians, than heaving in entirely with the madder corners of NATO and advocating for all-out shooting war between nuclear powers.
alfredlordbleep 03.12.22 at 10:10 pm
Fake Dave,
Maybe “the Left” on the spectrum should place Chomsky center(ish) for decrying (as always) the war crimes of a parade of American presidents
along with Putin’s latest (among other recent interviews):
. . . Instead of pursuing diplomatic options, Putin reached for the revolver, an all-too-common reflex of power. The result is devastating for Ukraine, with the worst probably still to come. The outcome is also a very welcome gift to Washington, as Putin has succeeded in establishing the Atlanticist system even more solidly than before. The gift is so welcome that some sober and well-informed analysts have speculated that it was Washington’s goal all along.
https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-a-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-could-unleash-untold-violence/
Peter T 03.13.22 at 6:16 am
Well said, Chris, and I wholly agree. The one positive thing about this awful crime is that the response seems to be driven by outrage among the policy-makers nearly as much as among the populace. There’s a general sense that Putin has crossed a moral as well as a political line, and that every kind of retaliation short of direct military confrontation should be applied.
It’s shameful that it took a war in Europe, involving people who can’t be dismissed as ‘tribal’ (as Bosnian Muslims were) or somehow lesser, to arouse this response, but I’m glad it’s there.
nastywoman 03.13.22 at 9:35 am
and while a whole country gets bombed into the ground – some people on the Internet ask the most unusual question – like:
‘Is it as bad as the century-ago hot takes that claimed because Belgium was invaded on the Kaiser’s way to go attack the French’,
What?
Belgium?
Who?
‘The Kaiser’
and as I – as a partly German consider talking about ‘the Kaiser’ a really bad joke – while
a whole country gets bombed into the ground – BUT I understand the need for comical relief in such horrific times –
I NOW ASK –
don’t silly people on the Internet NOT know
that –
‘Belgium is a beautiful city’
https://youtu.be/BnzXMRkBjMY
nastywoman 03.13.22 at 9:42 am
and on a more serious note about:
‘It’s possible to be nauseated by Putin at the same time as one is nauseated by the people suddenly deciding they’re against aggressive war based on lies. (See the people who voted for the Iraq War, of course.)’
BUT
‘yet as I read around reactions to the war I find that some are focused not on ‘solidarity or compassion but on rather alienated discourses of great power politics, some of which masquerade as “anti-imperialism”. Usually we have a pro-forma declaration that Putin’s aggression is “criminal”, but then a rather abstracted discussion of whether it is nevertheless understandable in some way. Perhaps, even, the supposedly supreme strategists in the White House and Pentagon are those truly responsible and have sought to provoke or ensnare Putin into a disastrous war. Milder versions of this thesis abound, shared across a wider gamut of politics, asking whether NATO expansion was a mistake. Well maybe, though to be honest I lack the capacity to run the counterfactuals in my head and work out how history would have run if this or that decision had been taken differently in nineteen-ninety something. I suspect that most of those writing glib pieces of grand strategy from a “left” perspective also lack that capacity, but somehow the urge to play toy soldiers takes over anyway. In any case, none of these strategic calculations could justify maiming a single child, let alone the unburied bodies on the streets of Mariupol’.
Right?
Y’all?!
nastywoman 03.13.22 at 9:59 am
and about:
‘Some of us have decided that compassion and solidarity require pacifism’.
Yes – Annalena Baerbock and ME!
‘Most everybody else’s mileage on that varies. Fine. But don’t get all moral about solidarity and compassion if what you want to do is burn Russian conscripts to death with Molotov cocktails.
BUT ME (and Annalena Baerbock) wants to get ‘all moral’ about solidarity and compassion WITHOUT wanting to burn Russian conscripts to death with Molotov cocktails’.
That’s why Annalena (the Pacifist) said:
‘Putins tanks don’t bring water.
Putins tanks definitely don’t bring peace.
Putin tanks do not bring food and baby food.
Putin’s tanks only bring suffering and destruction,
Fake Dave 03.13.22 at 11:01 am
@31
Of course Russia was intimately involved in what happened to Douma and Aleppo as well. Mosul and Raqqa meanwhile, were conquered twice, with significant damage done by IS during their last stands in addition to the devastation caused by returning ground forces and US airstrikes. There’s really no one but “the west” to blame for Gaza, but then most of the actual peace movement has been consistently anti-occupation. That’s why the hypocrisy from people who support the Palestinians but won’t condemn Putin has been just as maddening as the AIPAC Democrats who suddenly care about sovereignty and self-determination of nations.
At least the “humanitarian” chickenhawks are consistently inconsistent. For me personally, it’s so much more infuriating to see the language of the peace movement I grew up in being cynically co-opted by people who seem more interested in excusing aggression than punishing it. When even non-violent responses like sanctions and diplomatic isolation are deemed too confrontational, what option is there besides accepting the unacceptable? Pacifists prevail by being more creative and courageous than the cowards and bullies who rely on violence. People who preach inaction or hide behind a collapsing status quo are displaying neither virtue and are unworthy of the name.
@33
You’re right, of course. It’s a conditional with a compound verb. I got thrown off by the slightly unusual “does blow up” construction. The “does” appears to be redundant with the “if” but I suppose she was trying to emphasize the uncertainty of it all. I was hoping to highlight the apparent victim-blaming of talking about Ukraine blowing up rather than Russia invading, but there’s no excuse for bad grammar. Good catch!
@35
Chomsky is a brilliant theorist, but he’s also the person who praised the Khmer Rouge as anti-imperialist freedom fighters and dismissed the reports of their genocide a western propaganda, so he’s not without his blind spots. A lot of the current crop of “anti-imperialists” strike me as Chomsky wannabes with all of his outspokenness and none of his insight.
Dick Gregory 03.13.22 at 12:50 pm
Shame people couldn’t do this for Syria.
J-D 03.13.22 at 10:24 pm
Therefore spake he unto them a parable, saying: A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And after the priest came two Levites, and likewise saw the man lying half dead.
Then said the one Levite to the other: Surely it is for this that the priest passed by on the other side, when he saw this man lying there.
And his companion answered him, saying: Shall we not give aid to the man, and bind up his wounds, forasmuch as he be half dead?
And that Levite who had spoken first also returned answer to him, saying: If the priest passed by on the other side when he saw this man, is it not even this same priest that beareth the moral responsibility?
When the twelve heard this parable, Philip, being one of the twelve, did say, What then should these Levites do, when they saw the man that lay half dead after the priest passed by?
And Conservative Jesus did even give answer to Philip, and to other of the twelve, who questioned him likewise, saying: Ye ask of the deeds that men should do, when they see the ills that are suffered by many in this world; but verily, verily, I say unto you, ye should rather ask who beareth the blame and the moral responsibility for these ills, and occupy yourselves with the like questions day and night; for unless ye do even so, ye shall never pass through the gates into Conservative Heaven.
KT2 03.14.22 at 12:29 am
Thanks Chris Bertram;
“Men [and 21C women-fn1] with war machines acting on the orders of other men, perhaps in the grip of fantasies of ethnic Anschluss, perhaps convinced that raison d’état and their “legitimate security interests” .. ”
I’m so ignorant I had to look up “The Anschluss … (“joining”), … was the annexation of Austria into Nazi Germany on 12 March 1938.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss
But I get it. And a new word will be made by Ukrainians, no need of euphemism or oblique references.
Putin in Ukrainian will be known for Holodomor + Zruynuvaty. Terror famine and raze.
Depressingly, I have to conclude Putin equates to Hitler.
Holodomor – “a Ukrainian word for “moryty holodom, ‘to kill by starvation’… also known as the Terror-Famine”. Wikimedia below. No wonder Ukraine’s gave it it’s own word.
Putin is doing Holodomor PLUS Raze(ing) – starving Ukrainian people and razing infrastructure and public goods – famine / genocide and lay waste.
Putin = Hitler = Holodomor + Zruynuvaty in Ukrainian.
“English – Raze
Ukrainian-
??????????
Zruynuvaty” via googl translate.
You read it here first.
Putin is a dummy if he thinks Ukraine will roll over considering the “Terror-Famine”
In 1933 Ukraine population change ?1,379%!!!!
Starvation & genocide in Ukraine by “Suspects” says Wikipedia! Soviet leader “Joseph Stalin and other party members had ordered that kulaks were “to be liquidated as a class””. Very suspect geopolitics!
“Deaths~5.7m to 8.7 million
“Suspects- Joseph Stalin
…” Joseph Stalin and other party members had ordered that kulaks were “to be liquidated as a class”…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%931933
“Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine[11] and 15 other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet government.[12]”
“Declassified Soviet statistics
(in thousands)[100]
Year – 1933
Births – 471
Deaths – 1,850
Natural
change ?1,379%”
“The term Holodomor emphasises the famine’s man-made and allegedly intentional aspects such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs and restriction of population movement. As a large part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country, millions of inhabitants of Ukraine, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[10]”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Australia recognizes The Holodomor, yet even though the US Senate & House voted to recognize; “the executive branch has not formally stated this, the United States does not yet officially recognize the Holodomor as genocide.”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_in_modern_politics
Sound familiar?
“Both Russia and Ukraine have been subject to a series of severe droughts from July 2010 to 2015.[49]The 2010 drought saw wheat production fall by 20% in Russia and subsequently resulted in a temporary ban on grain exports.’
wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union
Left, Right ir Sideways. ..
Putin = Hitler.
*
women-fn1 eg Russia;
Historic “psychologically energize moraleAlexander Kerensky (leader of the Russian Provisional Government) ordered the creation of the Woman’s Death Battalion in May 1917.”
Now – “The current tally of women in the Russian Army stands at around 115,000 to 160,000, representing 10% of Russia’s military strength.”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country
And for the record, if all you intelligent learned persons keep using your scholastic spectrum analyzers to define left or right, you perpetuate the bird oscillating in the minds if ignorant people like me. Try “we” “us” ‘because” “in future ” “in the spectrum” – like me.
Thanks as always though. Good brain food.
Ray Vinmad 03.14.22 at 9:54 am
Did you try to find out about Syria when it happened? Because what the OP is talking about here happened then with the left and it was very disturbing.
It started similarly—political awakening in young people in modern cities, regular life with Internet cafes, ice cream shops, university. Then protest, reasonable arguments about corruption, an awakening political consciousness and solidarity, a hope for a better life by the young, who felt connection to each other as Syrians.
Very quickly after absolute terror and destruction. Everyone’s life utterly destroyed or gone. The whole civil society-gone. A whole world shattered with all the ordinary citizens reduced to unthinkable desperation. For years. Millions of refugees.
But it was hard to know what was really happening in detail inside Syria.
In normal circumstances I think I have an OK method for non-expert provisional info to some understanding of events in countries I don’t know much about. You look at regular media, alternative media and academic sources. You can read books, etc.
The whole information sphere about Syria was blanketed with contradictory information. It was impossible to understand how some on the left were throwing in with Assad. If you asked questions, they yammered crazy faux expertise or chased you off. (One of the leftists who chased me off is a right wing shill now in my opinion but I won’t name names as they’re not very famous. I don’t know if every one of these ‘brave voices of truth’ lives off the fat of the land over there in conspiracyville but there’s fewer of these people now I’ve noticed,)
US news was paltry and every story on the left contradicted those in mainstream sources even in reputable outlets. Of course I know how naive people can be about their favorite dictators and how a certain kind of leftist will morally equivocate to avoid complexity but used to be you could read through this—and it’s not so Byzantine as in the last 8 or so years.
Maybe was my first time seeing ‘flood the zone’ so I didn’t have a strategy. I still probably don’t.
The US government as you know is not transparent about US intervention to put it mildly so this is why lying propaganda works so well here in part I think.
Now we can find out a lot about what happened in Syria and how and it’s an unthinkable horror. 7 million people fled. So many died. People lived under siege and died of starvation. Punishment for complaining about a dictator, for not liking him enough, for posing a threat.
This could happen to Ukraine soon if the war does not stop. Their whole world burnt to cinders. This could be what Russia will do to them.
And the US won’t take refugees from Syria!
I only mention this because some of the total disabling flood of contradictory information gets less uptake online when it comes to Ukraine…not that one knows the details but it’s not as easy to do the ‘up is down, down is up’ thing at the moment and be believed by every so-called left Twitter account though new techniques for online persuasion will likely evolve.
Why aren’t more people talking about Afghanistan. The US is leaving most of the population to starve to death. We barely knew what the hell was going on in that place. Remember that?
TM 03.14.22 at 10:37 am
Thomas P @10: “To do that you have to look at all factors that caused the crisis, and NATO-expansion is certainly one of them. Putin probably wanted to incoroprate Ukraine in any case, but without the deadline of NATO-membership …”
This claim is false. The fact is that there never was a “deadline of NATO-membership” for Ukraine. Ukrainian NATO membership is not on the table, wasn’t on the table before Putin’s current aggression, and wasn’t on the table in 2014 when Putin annexed Crimea. Furthermore, the whole world including Putin observed in 2014 that NATO would not come to the defense of Ukraine despite Putin’s aggression. (NATO also declined to support Georgia during and since the 2008 war).
We know with absolute certainty that Putin never believed that Ukraine aided by NATO posed a threat to Russia. How do we know that? For a similar reason that we know with absolute certainty that GWB never bleieved Saddam had WMD. If Putin had really feared a NATO intervention, he wouldn’t have attacked Ukraine, and especially he wouldn’t have made his intentions clear months in advance and openly and methodically deployed his army for an attack on Ukraine.
“You have to look at all factors that caused the crisis” – agreed, but you are making factors up that don’t exist. That old and long obsolete statement suggesting that Ukraine might some day join NATO was ill advised but it wasn’t a factor leading to the current war. It only played a role insofar as it gave Putin a shred of pretext for pretending to believe things he patently doesn’t believe.
TM 03.14.22 at 10:51 am
JQ 21: Confused what your point is. I’m not saying that everything published in Jacobin is garbage – there are obviously a range of athors and views represented – but I believe that the antiliberal nihilism I described is a dominant tendency, which can be observed in the magazine’s pro-Putin coverage but also for example in its often cynical coverage of the 2016 election and Trumpism, Murc’s Law, authors praising Tucker Carlson, stuff like that.
The specific evidence I cited regarding Putin and Russia speaks for itself I think, or do you disagree with my assessment? “Western governments who chose to make war inevitable by refusing to compromise”, pure cynical propaganda, and from the same guy who earlier kept insisting everybody knew that there would be no war. Has Jacobin at least admitted having been wrong?
TM 03.14.22 at 11:53 am
EWI 34: “Is it as bad as the century-ago hot takes that claimed because Belgium was invaded on the Kaiser’s way to go attack the French, everyone had to go off and die for the British, German, Russian empires etc?”
Why do I get the feeling we have another troll around? ;-)
Fake Dave 23. Thanks for your comment. I haven’t paid much attention to The Nation in a while. Quite depressing.
“The gift is so welcome that some sober and well-informed analysts have speculated that it was Washington’s goal all along.”
This gets rather close to conspiracy mongering. No, this war of aggression is not a “gift” “welcomed” by “Washington”. It’s a grave international crisis with the potential for further escalation into nuclear war, an escalation that Biden and his allies are working very very hard to prevent. It also threatens the global economic stability, and by implication threatens the stability of US and many other governments. To suggest that anybody (besides the international aramaments industry) is happy about it is just bullshit.
And since somebody asked about the Biden administration’s response: I think they have been doing a terrific job. Staying cool, avoiding escalation, communicating effectively, rallying the international community (141 out of 193 UN member countries condemned the aggression), acting effectively in close coordination with allies. They deserve ample credit for doing a really good job and it’s hard to find any fault on their side. Unfortunately, that still doesn’t guarantee succes.
Mistakes have been made of course in the past. I think Nord Stream 2, dependence on Russian energy, has been the greatest error of Angela Merkel’s career. If all that money and political muscle had been invested in renewable energy… We have all known for more than 40 years that we need to get away from fossil fuels, both on account of sustainability and energy independence. We have known it with increased urgency at least since the 1990s. We all, Europe and the US and the world, could be so much further along on defossilization if more decisive action had been taken earlier.
If anything good comes out of this crisis, it might be that finally we’ll get serious about defossilization. I think people are ready for it, let’s hope governments are too.
Trader Joe 03.14.22 at 2:52 pm
I hear the plea in the OP, but not sure I can detect who its really aimed at. The first casualty of war is leftism, it makes neo-fascists of anyone who seeks a quick solution. Wars normally run out of fuel before they run out of hate.
So far the American response has been textbook – there have been almost no worthwhile conflicts anytime in the last 100 years that the American solution isn’t to first try to stay out and impose ‘sanctions’, second try to aid the underdog before ultimately third deciding that the only way to address force is with more force. I hope we never get to stage 3, but fear it will eventually be inevitable.
The European response has been somewhat more determined than usual as far as sanctions and willingness to supply war materials but it is also circumscribed by the fact that no EU country really has any material military throw-weight to do anything more than what they are doing. NATO is nothing more than economies of scale applied to doing what American wants to do and the EU agrees with. If the EU doesn’t agree, the US does it on its own.
The fact is Sweden and Switzerland (or most any EU country) would be far more impactful to announce that any refugee from either Russia or Ukraine will be welcomed and given all they need to start a new life rather than send guns or something. Yet none will even vaguely consider doing so. Far easier to send some ammunitions and call out some crooks than risk to the domestic politics of something impactful.
TM 03.14.22 at 3:35 pm
One more thing I wanted to mention, and has been mentioned by others as well:
Bush’s 2003 war of aggression against Iraq definitely has contributed to weaking international law and has badly damaged US reputation and credibility. Insofar it might have at least indirectly contributed to Putin’s decision for war. It’s not just a matter of Western “hypocrisy” – Bush’s behavior, including in particular the shameless lies about WMD, has given Putin a model to emulate, and perhaps convinced him to be able to get away with it. Breaking International Law is not in the long term interest even of powerful actors.
In one of these ironies, Glenn Greenwald is now parroting Putin’s lies about Ukrainian bioweapons. (https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1503378273522364428)
These lies are even more unconvinging than Bush’s were, which is to say something.
John Quiggin 03.14.22 at 7:42 pm
TM @43 My apologies. I somehow missed the links in your comment. I don’t know if Jacobin has admitted to being wrong, but its current articles certainly can’t be described as pro-Putin
AnthonyB 03.14.22 at 9:33 pm
From the WaPo obituary of Stephen F. Cohen, husband of The Nation’s publisher, Katrina vanden Heuvel:
“In recent years, Dr. Cohen was a frequent commentator on Russian matters in the Nation and on radio and television. In general, he supported Russia’s sovereign rights and seldom criticized Putin’s autocratic impulses or human rights abuses.”
MisterMr 03.14.22 at 11:27 pm
@Trader Joe 48
Actually the official EU policy is that every resident in Ukraine has the right to go in the EU for at least 12 months (for some reason excluding Denmark):
https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/stronger-europe-world/eu-solidarity-ukraine/eu-assistance-ukraine/information-people-fleeing-war-ukraine_en
This is in stark contrast with how the EU treats refugees from other countries, but well let’s look at the bright side and say that at least with Ukrainians the EU is doing the right thing.
engels 03.15.22 at 1:22 am
Good to see the Crooked Timber commentariat going after the real criminals here: Jacobin magazine and Noam Chomsky.
Not that it’s really a fair summary of either’s response to this but I think it’s entirely possible for intelligent people to extend solidarity to the victims of aggression and to condemn it, and to try to understand what led to it. Suggesting they can’t seems rather similar to the shallow moralism that stifled serious thinking following 9/11.
Fake Dave 03.15.22 at 3:17 am
@51
Yeah, Cohen was a fairly consistent Russia apologist always quick to shift the blame onto Western actions, question the legitimacy of other post-Soviet governments, and chastise less indulgent pundits for wanting a “New Cold War.” His wife has tended to be more oblique by ficusing on the power of diplomacy and criticizing the rush to war, but she doesn’t seem capable of admitting that careful, well-intentioned diplomacy can still fail, or even backfire (Munich, Oslo, now Minsk. You can’t just slap a bandaid on a bullet hole and call it peacemaking.). She has no answers for a war NATO didn’t want, so I think she’s convinced herself that they must have wanted it after all. I don’t know if there’s any conflict of interest or quid quo pro between between them and Putin’s people (though a certain amount of Manafort-style schmoozing seems plausible), but there’s a long affinity between The Nation and Russia that goes back to their role as sanctuary for wayward Trotskyites and other Communist intellectuals seeking refuge from the agonies of Stalinism and McCarthyism. There’s also a fairly strong “enemy-of-my-enemy” logic at play based on mutual animosity towards their neo-con arch-rivals (polar opposites in terms of disillusioned post-Communism), mainstream liberal hawks (some people will never get over the contradictions of the Bush years), and a reckless and hypocritical “Washington consensus.” None of their critiques of American exceptionalism seem remotely consistent with their apparent Russian exceptionalism. Their neo-imperialist language about spheres of influence and legitimate security concerns would see them excommunicated from the movement if they applied it to a NATO power, but unfortunately far too many of their peers are accustomed to seeing the CIA’s hand in every international crisis or are obsessed with preventing the next Vietnam/Iraq and can see nothing but hypocrisy or the rush for war when western liberals criticize state actor outside the Atlantic “camp.”
Most of these people aren’t apparently corrupt, malicious, or particularly stupid. There does, however, seem to be a certain personality that is combative, self-righteous, and manichaean in its approach to politics and prone to drawing ideological battle lines across every international news story. These people might be powerful progressive allies who say all the right things about Palestine or police brutality, but in the wrong situation they can do a lot of damage. Not everyone in the movement can see the difference between real pacifists/humanists/anti-imperialists and people who just want to see the American empire taken down a peg. More often than not. Our goals align and the distinction feels academic. This isn’t one of those moments.
Bmartensson 03.15.22 at 3:57 am
Mr. Bertram
Such a truly empathetic and compassionate statement; so well said.
TM 03.15.22 at 9:03 am
JQ 50. I somehow don’t feel like digging too deep into Jacobinite cynicism right now but I’m gonna repeat that the statement that “Western governments … chose to make war inevitable by refusing to compromise” was published after Putin’s invasion. Similarly, consider this statement from the Democratic Socialists of America dated February 26 (https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/). After condemning Russia’s invasion, it goes on to repeat that the real culprit is US and NATO’s “imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict.” It doesn’t even occur to these armchair antiimperialists that it is Putin and nobody else who is engaging in text book “imperialist expansionism”.
Almost everybody, including many of Putin’s former supporters both on the right and left, now condemns Russia’s aggression. Which is a good thing. But many still repeat Putin’s tired talking points and continue to make excuses. For the left, I think it’s essential to honestly confront the widespread ideological openness to pro-Putin demagoguery. It’s not enough to just add a “condemnation of Russia”-disclaimer.
TM 03.15.22 at 11:13 am
engels: Since you are addressing me specifically:
Yes, it’s entirely possible for intelligent people to extend solidarity to the victims of aggression and to condemn it, and to try to understand what led to it. Only, the Jacobin Magazine author referred to above and others mentioned in this context are patently not doing this – they are and have consistently been engaged in pro-Putin propaganda. That doesn’t make them “the real criminals”, it makes them antiliberal nihilists who have a certain following in leftist circles, which makes it in my view important to challenge them from the left.
LFC 03.16.22 at 1:08 am
As Peter T says @36, accurately characterizing the general reaction of governments and publics, Putin has crossed a moral as well as a political line. This is an immoral and illegal war of aggression, and it has already caused a humanitarian catastrophe. The targeting of hospitals and residential areas and other civilian targets is inexcusable.
Some people, in addition to saying this, have also gone on to engage in what Chris Bertram in the OP calls “rather alienated discourses of great power politics….” But unless those “discourses” aim to make excuses for the aggression, those discourses are not particularly part of the problem. The problem arises only when they are used to make excuses.
In addition to saying that Putin’s actions are immoral and illegal, one might hazard the suggestion (although it’s early to be making it), that he has miscalculated, doing not only untold harm and damage to Ukrainians but also, in the end, harm to his own country. In other words, one might, in addition to moral condemnation, make a descriptive statement. Perhaps this might count as a discourse of great power politics, but I don’t think the statement does any particular harm.
The academic field of international relations, even more perhaps than the discipline of political science of which, at least in the U.S., International Relations is usually seen as a subdivision, is not a science in any robust sense of that word. (E.H. Carr once wrote that “the science of international politics is in its infancy,” implying that it would progress. Whether it has progressed much is probably doubtful.) That said, if people who claim to have some particular knowledge, either by virtue of having written books or having spent time reading others’ books or having some special knowledge of the region, choose to engage in “discourses of great power politics,” or just discourses period, I don’t see how that is doing much or any active harm, as I said. Maybe all such discussion should be put off for later, but I don’t see it as being inherently incompatible with expressions of solidarity, compassion, and outrage.
Copyright 03.16.22 at 5:48 am
“We reiterate the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process” – NATO Brussels Summit Communique (2021)
Shocking for NATO to release “pro-Putin propaganda” like this!
Copyright 03.16.22 at 6:34 am
Of course, the phrase “real culprit” doesn’t appear in the link you provided. Instead, as you admit, they condemn Putin fully, and your problem is they don’t engage in your Will-You-Condemn-A-Thon in precisely the language you demand.
Because whatever the language used, it’s never enough. Ultimately, every time a new war breaks out, there’s a certain type of centre-left commentator who either 1) feels a psychological need to hippy-punch those to his left, to make the conflict all about intra-left factionalism (rather than any concern for those on the ground) and thereby feel superior in their sober judgement/patriotism and try to justify their “I’m not like THEM” plea to watching centrist/right-wing associates, or 2) wants to cover up their own apologism of/skepticism towards the whole concept of US/NATO imperialism that they deflect by pretending that the left is insufficiently critical of Russian imperialism.
And are we supposed to believe you’re on the frontlines in Ukraine, and not hammering at the keyboard from the comfort of some form of reclining furniture?
And only Putin is engaging in imperial expansion? Am I supposed to believe that a policymaker like Boris Johnson truly cares about the welfare of random Latvians he’s never met and who have nothing to offer a man like him? The same guy with a 6-figure death count, who’s busy criminalising protests, attacking GRT folk, and brutalising Yemenis and Afghans (abroad and at the border)? Come on.
We live in an ‘anarchic’ world system, where a few big dogs dominate over the rest. So sure, I can understand why a small businessman would seek the protection of the Corleones from the Barzinis. But don’t sit there and tell me the Corleones aren’t the f***ing Corleones.
And if you want to defeat the Barzinis, you need to defeat the mafia as a whole. Violence is a cycle. None of us are free until we’re all free. Cliche, but true.
nastywoman 03.16.22 at 12:46 pm
and ‘Copyright’
do you really have the copyright from the CT commenter who wrote way before you –
that –
‘we live in an ‘anarchic’ world system, where a few big dogs dominate over the rest. So sure, I can understand why a small businessman would seek the protection of the Corleones from the Barzinis. But don’t sit there and tell me the Corleones aren’t the f***ing Corleones’
but just in a few different words?
As I really DO NOT believe this… this…?…. idea that if the Worst War Criminal of this Century is invading another country and bombing such a country into the ground with killing innocent people –
that… something like that is in
ANY WAY
comparable to some ‘Corleones’ or ‘Barzinis –
or ‘you need to defeat the mafia as a whole’.
And YES!
‘Violence might be a cycle’.
and
None of us are free until we’re all free.
BUT such a Cliche just don’t apply to the Worst War Criminal of this Century.
It’s as Insane and ‘belittling’ – as if you would have compared ‘the Corleones’ to some ‘Nukes carrying Russian or American Army’.
As aren’t you aware that the Nukes carrying Russian or US Army is faaaar more HUUUUGE than any ‘Mafia’?
nastywoman 03.16.22 at 12:52 pm
AND
Please –
Copyright?
Could you PLEASE stop all of this – being NOT
‘focused on such solidarity but on a rather alienated discourses of great power politics, some of which masquerade as “anti-imperialism”. Usually with the pro-forma declaration that Putin’s aggression is “criminal”, but then a rather abstracted discussion of whether it is nevertheless understandable in some way’.
AS
‘Perhaps, even, the supposedly supreme strategists in the White House and Pentagon are those truly responsible and have sought to provoke or ensnare Putin into a disastrous war. Milder versions of this thesis abound, shared across a wider gamut of politics, asking whether NATO expansion was a mistake. Well maybe, though to be honest I lack the capacity to run the counterfactuals in my head and work out how history would have run if this or that decision had been taken differently in nineteen-ninety something. I suspect that most of those writing glib pieces of grand strategy from a “left” perspective also lack that capacity, but somehow the urge to play toy soldiers takes over anyway. In any case, none of these strategic calculations could justify maiming a single child, let alone the unburied bodies on the streets of Mariupol’.
PLEASE!
PEACE!
engels 03.16.22 at 2:07 pm
For people saying this had nothing to do with NATO expansion:
‘Addressing Ukraine’s aspirations to join Nato, Zelensky on Tuesday said he “acknowledged” membership was not achievable. “It’s understood that Ukraine is not a member of Nato. We understand this,” he said. “For years we have been hearing about so-called open doors. But we have also now heard that we cannot go there.’
Ukraine and Russia signal progress in talks
https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-d375-4817-be67-802b7fa77ef1
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