Sakharov prize

by Chris Bertram on October 20, 2005

The European Parliament website has “details of the shortlist for the Sakharov prize”:http://www.europarl.eu.int/news/public/story_page/008-1413-285-10-41-901-20051013STO01412-2005-12-10-2005/default_en.htm , “awarded annually to the person or group who are judged to have made a “particular achievement” in the promotion and protection of freedom of thought.” The 2005 finalists are:

bq. “Ladies in white” (“Damas de Blanco”) of Cuba: This group of women have been protesting peacefully every Sunday since 2004 against the continued detention of their husbands and sons who are political dissidents in Cuba. They wear white as a symbol of peace and the innocence of those imprisoned.

bq. Hauwa Ibrahim: Of humble birth, she has risen to be a leading Nigerian human rights lawyer. She represents women who face being stoned to death for adultery and young people facing amputation for theft under Islamic Sharia law.

bq. “Reporters without Frontiers”: This international organisation campaigns for press freedom throughout the world. It also champions the protection of journalists and other media professionals from censorship or harassment.

That looks like a good shortlist to me. The fact that the European Parliament is celebrating Cuban dissidents and defenders of the victims of Sharia doesn’t really fit with the narratives promoted by Insta-people, EUrabians etc, so I expect they’ll just ignore the whole thing.

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abb1 10.20.05 at 4:54 am

But isn’t “Reporters without Frontiers” too an organization with specific focus on Cuba? Isn’t it a little odd that 2 out 3 are anti-Castro? Is Cuba the place where the ‘freedom of thought’ needs to be promoted more than all other places?

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Chris Bertram 10.20.05 at 4:59 am

Since Cuba doesn’t even make it to “the front page of their website”:http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=20 , I guess your information is incorrect abb1.

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abb1 10.20.05 at 5:17 am

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Chris Bertram 10.20.05 at 5:29 am

Well I have no special knowledge of them, but a scan of their website reveals plenty of material critical of the US, and I’m disinclined to give any evidential weight to a Counterpunch article that cites 9/11 conspiracy theorist Thierry Meyssan as an authoritative source.

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a 10.20.05 at 6:38 am

Also ready for the knee-jerk reaction abb1!

By the way, is there going to ever be a truce in this war? “The other side isn’t likely to mention this story” is getting very old.

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Z 10.20.05 at 7:35 am

For french-reading people, acrimed (a french collective similar in spirit to FAIR) has an aboundance of documents about RSF. My conclusion: RSF might not anti-Castro by design but it sure has a lot of connections with dubious financial interests, and Robert Menard, its president, does not come out looking too good. RSF has a particularly abysmal record with respect to the treatment of Venezuela. Most of the information of the Counterpunch article are also easily confirmed by a five minutes google search (but in French) without the embarrassing reference to Meyssan.

I will not speculate on why RSF ended as finalist for the prize (is there a link between this and the normalization of relationship between Cuba and the EU?). But I must say I would personnaly favor a victory of the other contendents.

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abb1 10.20.05 at 7:37 am

How is this a knee-jerk reaction? I remembered reading about RSF being an anti-Castro front and asked why 2 out of 3 had to be concerned with Cuba.

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Slocum 10.20.05 at 7:38 am

The fact that the European Parliament is celebrating Cuban dissidents and defenders of the victims of Sharia doesn’t really fit with the narratives promoted by Insta-people, EUrabians etc, so I expect they’ll just ignore the whole thing.

I’ll bet not, actually. The EU has taken some craven actions with respect to Cuba — notably the decision to stop inviting dissidents to meet at EU embassies taken earlier in this year. But I understand that decision was reversed and this short list is a good sign as well. This seems to me exactly the sort of thing that Reynolds would cite, from CT for example:

http://instapundit.com/archives/023392.php

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Uncle Kvetch 10.20.05 at 8:08 am

How is this a knee-jerk reaction? I remembered reading about RSF being an anti-Castro front and asked why 2 out of 3 had to be concerned with Cuba.

I’ve seen similar allegations in the French media. abb1 was definitely not being knee-jerk here.

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Hektor Bim 10.20.05 at 8:20 am

Why should we care if the EU is anti-Cuba? Cuba is, after all, a dictatorship that is already degenerating into North Korean-style Communist family dynasty politics, with Raul slated to replace Fidel.

Cuba isn’t North Korea, or course, but it is also not a place where freedom of speech is respected.

Many people seem to have a romantic vision of Cuba, but I don’t see why someone who believes in freedom of speech and human rights should cut the Cuban government any slack.

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Uncle Kvetch 10.20.05 at 8:25 am

I don’t see why someone who believes in freedom of speech and human rights should cut the Cuban government any slack.

That really isn’t the issue, Hektor. The article abb1 links to states:

“[I]t turns out that RSF is on the payroll of the U.S. State Department and has close ties to Helms-Burton-funded Cuban exile groups.”

There is a very strong case to be made for the EU taking a hard line (rhetorically, at the very least) on Cuba wrt to human rights. This, however, isn’t the way to do it.

Sounds like giving the award to “Damas de Blanco” would be a much better way of making the point.

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jet 10.20.05 at 8:32 am

…doesn’t really fit with the narratives promoted by Insta-people, EUrabians etc, so I expect they’ll just ignore the whole thing.

Actually it fits perfectly with how the EU-haters feel about EU. Just as EU will say strong words about Zimbabwe and then invite Mugabe over for some wine and cheese and a royal tour, the EU will say strong things about Cuba and then continue empowering Castro by freely trading with him.
This shows how serious the EU is about supporting democracy in Cuba.

“We remain concerned that suspending the restrictive measures, without achieving the goals for which they were put in place, will embolden regime hard-liners and dishearten the peaceful opposition,” department spokesman Richard Boucher said. “At the same time, I would say that we do look forward to seeing examples of European engagement for democracy.”

I guess giving out awards is the EU’s new “engagement for democracy”.

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Hektor Bim 10.20.05 at 8:33 am

Sorry, uncle kvetch, but I’m serious. Why should I care if RSF is funded partially by the US State Department? Feel free to expose them as lapdogs, but that doesn’t mean that their statements about Cuba (which don’t seem to be a high priority for them anyway) are wrong.

I’m pretty sure that abb1 does in fact want to cut the Cuban government some slack. I say, expose the RSF for taking US money, and let them make true statements about the state of press freedoms in Cuba. Everybody wins.

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Uncle Kvetch 10.20.05 at 8:40 am

I say, expose the RSF for taking US money, and let them make true statements about the state of press freedoms in Cuba.

I’m fine with that, Hektor, as long as you throw in a third condition: Don’t give them an award suggesting that they’re more legitimate than they really are. There are any number of human rights organizations working on Cuban issues that are more deserving and less tainted by shadowy associations, aren’t there?

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Louis Proyect 10.20.05 at 8:47 am

The CPJ, the RSF, Cuba and press freedom:

http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/fascism_and_war/CPJ.htm

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MQ 10.20.05 at 8:53 am

There you go with the double standard, Jet. The U.S. is qutie actively “engaged” with dictatorships all over the world. But the EU makes you see red…I suspect not because of anything to do with its Castro policy, but because it represents an alternative to U.S. hegemony.

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Chris Bertram 10.20.05 at 8:57 am

Cards on table: My own view about Cuba (abbreviated version) is that its human rights record should be the object of strong criticism, but that comparisons to North Korea etc are nuts (and made by nuts), that we should trade with it freely and generally solidarize with it in the face of US pressure and the embargo … and going there on holiday is fine too.

On RSF, having done no more that scan a few websites (the French ones too), it looks to me as if the charge that it is a paid anti-Castro front is just mudslinging by Castro-enthusiasts, but that they may be careless about who they accept money from (a friend of Colonel Qadafi seems to have made a contribution!). Looks to me as if they do a generally good job of defending press freedom though.

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bryan 10.20.05 at 8:59 am

shouldn’t some leading conservative be nominating Bush for this prize right about now, or is that so 2003?

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abb1 10.20.05 at 9:03 am

Cuba is, after all, a dictatorship that is already degenerating into North Korean-style Communist family dynasty politics, with Raul slated to replace Fidel.

I thought family dynasty politics are quite fashionable again, at least in the US. Maybe not in Europe, though, I don’t know.

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Louis Proyect 10.20.05 at 9:42 am

Just another thought or two about RSF. If you’ve ever read Nat Hentoff’s rancid columns in the Village Voice, you’ll get a good idea where they are coming from. Freedom of the press is understood completely in terms of censorship by the government and has nothing to do with what how A.J. Liebling felicitously put it: “Freedom of the press belongs to the man who owns one.” This means that nearly all of RSF’s firepower is directed against Hugo Chavez rather than at the pro-American press in Venezuela. Anybody who has been following events there would understand that the private media operates much as it did when Allende and the Sandinistas were under siege. In other words, the capitalist media is trying to overthrow a government that challenges the racist status quo. Frankly, I am not surprised that the “progressive” Europeans would want to bestow a prize on RSF. Although they are not as egregious as Bush and company, they have shown over and over a capacity to strike down challenges to their own perceived imperial interests. And it is always couched in terms of spreading democracy, while getting funded by George Soros and all the other usual suspects.

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Hektor Bim 10.20.05 at 10:08 am

I believe in rejecting family-dynasty politics in general, whether in North Korea, Cuba, or the US.

Chris, I don’t think the comparison to North Korea is idiotic. Their systems of government are somewhat similar, and at least in the issue of government succession, seem to be mutating in similar ways. I thought I was pretty clear that I don’t think their level of human rights abuses are at all comparable.

It’s an interesting question after all, why do degenerating Communist goverments turn into family dynasties?

I strongly dislike this sense that we must “choose a side”. Even if the RSF is anti-Castro and anti-Hugo (which remains unproven), that doesn’t make them objectively incorrect in their criticisms. If we only accept criticism from people with completely pure motives, we won’t get much criticism at all.

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Mikhail Gorbachev Jr 10.20.05 at 10:27 am

It’s an interesting question after all, why do degenerating Communist goverments turn into family dynasties?

I’ve wondered the same thing about declining capitalist superpowers…

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chris y 10.20.05 at 10:34 am

It’s an interesting question after all, why do degenerating Communist goverments turn into family dynasties?

Nothing particularly communist about this – it can happen in imperfect democracies (India, the Nehru/Ghandis), in classically nationalist dictatorships (Syria, the Assads – Iraq was headed the same way) or in straightforward kleptocracies (Haiti, the Duvaliers). It’s simple really. If you’re the head of a dubiously stable repressive regime, who do you trust to look after your friends? If you’ve been robbing your country blind, who do you want to leave the loot to?

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jet 10.20.05 at 10:40 am

MQ,
What makes me see red is that the EU acts as if universal rights like Liberty and Freedom are merely ethnocentric Western values and that if other cultures do not embrace them then that’s okay because they’re just different, not wrong.

It may appear that the EU and US are almost the same in how they chose their “exceptions” when becoming friendly with dictators; that they chose them for strategic alliances. But the US appears to chose their alliances in the interest of strategically promoting Democracy. The EU appears to chose their alliances in the interest of strategically improving their position (or impeding the US position) as a world power. How else to explain Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Africa et al? The US supports Pakistan to stabilize the region and support the US efforts in Afghanistan (or make sure Musharraf isn’t replaced with someone who will reignite the 1999 Pakistan-India war). The EU supports Zimbabwe to counter the African Anglo-sphere regardless of how much money Mugabe spends propping up militias in the D.R.C (or maybe it is just Mugabe’s European campaign donations).

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Louis Proyect 10.20.05 at 10:50 am

[RSF] Donors included:
Private companies: Sanofi-Synthelabo, FNAC, CFAO, Beaume et Mercier, le Bon Marché, Fujifilm, Atlas publishers and the Caisse des Dépôts.

Company foundations: La Fondation EDF.

The media: Télérama and Cadena Ser (to fund the Annual Report on press freedom).

French private bodies: La Fondation de France (for the Reporters Without Borders Prize).

Foreign private bodies: The Open Society Institute (for a project to fight impunity) and the CENTER FOR FREE CUBA (to help Cuban journalists in prison and their families).

Full: http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=10594

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THE CENTER FOR A FREE CUBA (CFC)

The Center for a Free Cuba (CFC) is an independent, non-partisan institution dedicated to promoting human rights and a transition to democracy and the rule of law on the island.

Board of Directors: MANUEL J. CUTILLAS, Chairman, Everette Briggs, Nestor Carbonell, William Doherty, Nicolas Estrella, Richard Fernandez, Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, Richard O’Connell, Susan Kaufman Purcell, Jose Sorzano, Filiberto Agusti, Counsel

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[Otto] Reich is a key figure in the Bacardi-CIA-CANF alliance, and his role is described in Ospina’s book. Reich is a Cuban emigre who runs the RMA International lobbying firm. One of his major clients is Bacardi, which has paid him more than $600,000 according to public records. He was one of the people associated with Bacardi who helped draft the Helms-Burton Act. He is also president of the US-Cuba Council, which actively endorses the blockade and whose main purpose is to plan for the privatisation and dismantling of socialism on the island after their long dreamed-of counter-revolution. Chairman-Emeritus of the council is none other than CANF director and Bacardi chief MANUEL CUTILLAS.

Full: http://www.ratb.org.uk/frfi/160_reich.html

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Buffalo News (New York) Editorial, August 3, 1998
U.S. SHOULD PROBE ANTI-CASTRO TERRORISM

Lengthy reports about a Miami-based anti-Castro group’s backing of efforts to oust the Cuban leader at all costs — including the use of terrorist bombings — are as murky as the U.S.-Cuba relationship itself.

That’s why federal officials need to get to the bottom of whether — and to what degree — both the controversial Cuban-American National Foundation and U.S. operatives may have been involved in efforts to topple Castro and sabotage Cuba’s tourism industry with a series of explosions.

The bombings last year at popular Cuban hotels, restaurants and discotheques killed an Italian tourist and alarmed the tourism-dependent Cuban government.

Now Louis Posada Carriles, a shadowy Castro-hater schooled in terrorism by the CIA in the 1960s, has told the New York Times that he orchestrated the bombings and is plotting other efforts to oust Castro.

More alarmingly, Posada claimed he has carried out his campaign of terror with financial help — and a wink and a nod — from current and past leaders of the CANF.

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Chris Bertram 10.20.05 at 10:54 am

What makes me see red is that the EU acts as if universal rights like Liberty and Freedom are merely ethnocentric Western values and that if other cultures do not embrace them then that’s okay because they’re just different, not wrong.

Ah, now I understand, that’s why the EU supports bodies like the International Criminal Court and the US doesn’t …. it is because the US supports universal values and the EU has a more parochial approach …

[Shome mishtake shurely …]

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Louis Proyect 10.20.05 at 11:22 am

The EU might support an International Criminal Court, but I doubt if its own war criminals will ever stand trial there. To this day, no French soldier or cop has ever been truly punished for torturing or murdering Algerian rebels during the war of independence. When Gen. Aussaresses went on trial for admitting such crimes in his memoir, what was the result? He had to pay an $8,000 fine. And this country has the audacity to hound Milosevic. Disgusting.

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Hektor Bim 10.20.05 at 11:28 am

This thread is providing more examples of this “take sides” mentality. Just because some of the anti-Castro forces are terrorists, doesn’t mean Castro is a good guy. Just because the French haven’t brought their own war criminals to justice doesn’t mean that Milosevic wasn’t a war criminal. Why is support for Milosevic so strong among people who oppose American policies abroad?

Why can’t I believe that both Castro and Otto Reich are contemptible human beings?

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Louis Proyect 10.20.05 at 11:38 am

Mr. Bim, RSF is operating in a bloc with the CANF to overthrow the Cuba government. As I have pointed out, the CANF was in cahoots with the criminal who blew a Cuban airliner out of the sky. This character now has been allowed to escape extradition to Venezuela and remain in the USA because a judge decided that Venezuela was repressive. This stuff is just disgusting. All the Cubans have tried to do is prevent illegal political activity in their country which is defined in terms of taking money and or directions from the US government. When people decide that they have the right to work with the CIA, etc., they go to jail. No country in the world would tolerate this sort of nonsense. Why should Cuba?

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abb1 10.20.05 at 11:55 am

Yes, and I don’t think Castro’s personal qualities is really the issue here.

If I understand correctly, we are talking about the ‘freedom of thought’ not being a prominent enough feature of Cuba’s public life. But if any society ever had a good reason to suspect that demands for ‘freedom of thought’ are nothing but a powerful covert attempt to destroy the society itself – Cuba’s on the top of the list. Remove the threat first and then demand freedom of thought.

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jet 10.20.05 at 1:27 pm

Chris,
Is that the same court that brought Mugabe up on charges for supporting the slaughter of ?millions? in the D.R.C., or is it the court that is still trying to prosecute individual US soldiers for using depleted uranium shells?

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Hektor Bim 10.20.05 at 2:24 pm

That’s very interesting, louis proyect. My understanding was that Castro and some confederates fled to the United States after leaving Cuba, by way of Mexico. While there they agitated for the overthrow of the government of Cuba, gathered funds from Cubans in the US, and then staged a landing on Cuba in November 26, 1956 from the US.

So Castro can hardly be against plotting against the Cuban government and raising funds to overthrow the Cuban government from the US in the abstract. He just seems to be against it in this specific case.

Look, many of the Cuban exiles don’t really support democracy in Cuba; they want some sort of caudillo government safe for international capital. But that doesn’t make Castro’s government a beacon unto the nations.

I also think that linking RSF with a terrorist is a bridge too far. After all, I can easily link Castro with the North Korean government. They are both operating in a bloc to foster dictatorships in their home countries. And the North Koreans are clearly linked to blowing up airlines and massive human rights violations.

It’s easy to play the game of linked affiliations.

RSF —-> CANF —-> blowing up airlines

Castro —-> North Korea —-> blowing up airlines (and worse)

I don’t think Castro is reponsible for North Korea’s actions, just like I don’t think RSF is responsible for the actions of Luis Posada Carriles.

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Uncle Kvetch 10.20.05 at 2:33 pm

Look, many of the Cuban exiles don’t really support democracy in Cuba; they want some sort of caudillo government safe for international capital. But that doesn’t make Castro’s government a beacon unto the nations.

Hektor, I haven’t seen anyone in this thread suggest that it was. Could you try to advance your argument without resorting to this strawman?

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Louis Proyect 10.20.05 at 2:41 pm

Mr. Bim,

Fidel Castro would have never been forced to launch a revolutionary war if the USA had not invaded and occupied Cuba through much of the 20th century. What is consistent throughout this period and until now is that the USA has tried to force its will on Cuba. In the 1950s, Batista was our puppet. Our new puppets are getting support from the CIA, CANF et al. You can’t get more consistent than that.

I think one person has no problem calling Cuba a kind of beacon and he is no communist:

WASHINGTON, Apr 30 (IPS) – World Bank President James Wolfensohn Monday extolled the Communist government of President Fidel Castro for doing “a great job” in providing for the social welfare of the Cuban people.

His remarks followed Sunday’s publication of the Bank’s 2001 edition of ‘World Development Indicators’ (WDI), which showed Cuba as topping virtually all other poor countries in health and education statistics.

It also showed that Havana has actually improved its performance in both areas despite the continuation of the US trade embargo against it and the end of Soviet aid and subsidies for the Caribbean island more than ten years ago.

“Cuba has done a great job on education and health,” Wolfensohn told reporters at the conclusion of the annual spring meetings of the Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). “They have done a good job, and it does not embarrass me to admit it.”

His remarks reflect a growing appreciation in the Bank for Cuba’s social record, despite recognition that Havana’s economic policies are virtually the antithesis of the “Washington Consensus”, the neo-liberal orthodoxy that has dominated the Bank’s policy advice and its controversial structural adjustment programmes (SAPs) for most of the last 20 years.

Some senior Bank officers, however, go so far as to suggest that other developing countries should take a very close look at Cuba’s performance.

“It is in some sense almost an anti-model,” according to Eric Swanson, the programme manager for the Bank’s Development Data Group, which compiled the WDI, a tome of almost 400 pages covering scores of economic, social, and environmental indicators.

full: http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43b/185.html

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Hektor Bim 10.20.05 at 3:28 pm

Uncle Kvetch, I suggest you take a look at louis proyect’s comment above.

Louis Proyect, Castro’s government wasn’t democratically elected either. He does not allow alternate political groupings. It is an improvement in some ways for people to be ruled by local despots as opposed to colonized, but it is still short of the ideal. When Castro allows other political parties, follows his own constitution, and stops interning political prisoners, maybe then we can talk about puppets. Right now, Cubans are the puppets of Castro. The average Cuban has very little power to influence the government. So I think it is fine to point out the inadequacies of the Cuban government, and to do so loudly.

As for the health and social improvement in Cuba, this is a real achievement. But it a model for poor countries. If Castro hadn’t followed his current policies, Cuba might not be poor and might be even better off in terms of social indicators than it is now.

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Uncle Kvetch 10.20.05 at 3:44 pm

Point taken, Hektor.

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Louis Proyect 10.20.05 at 4:34 pm

Mr. Bim,

The only repression in Cuba is against people who take their marching orders from the USA. These well-publicized arrests are made against those who take money from the NED, the CIA, etc. For those who have followed Cuban culture, it is very obvious that Cuban film-makers are anything but puppets. Films such as “Strawberry and Chocolate” offer stinging criticisms of the Communist Party. Perhaps if the USA stopped providing havens for terrorists like Posada, the political environment in Cuba might loosen up. However, given the way that the USA manipulated free elections to subvert democracy in Nicaragua and Chile, I can understand why they would want to exercise a certain amount of control. After all, the USA imprisoned dissidents under FDR for merely being critical of WWII and he was supposedly the most progressive president in American history. Not to speak of the Palmer Raids, the Patriot Act, ad nauseum.

As far as the Cuban economy is concerned, the World Bank president says it is a kind of model for 3rd world development. You, of course, are entitled to your own opinions about how Cuba would flourish under capitalism. We only have to look at Haiti or Jamaica to see what would await it.

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asg 10.20.05 at 4:38 pm

Wow.

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abb1 10.20.05 at 4:43 pm

Hektor, there’s a point that you haven’t addressed so far, made first by Chris Bertram in #17: the Castro regime doesn’t exist in the vacuum, there’s an extremely hostile superpower just a few miles north of it where thousands of powerful people are working every day during the last four decades, spending millions of dollars, trying to bring the regime down by any and all means including economic pressures, relentless propaganda, various forms of subversion and international terrorism.

Some say that this circumstance justifies a degree of limitation on political freedoms, perhaps the degree of limitation that currently exists there. What do you think?

Now, some say that this regime probably would’ve been limiting political freedoms even if this circumstance didn’t exist, and they might be correct, but how can we know for sure?

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Chris Bertram 10.20.05 at 4:43 pm

The only repression in Cuba is against people who take their marching orders from the USA.

Oh puhleeze Louis, spare us the crap apologetics.

How about gays in Cuba? Any hassle from the cops maybe? Or only for the ones who “take their marching orders from the USA”.

See Peter Tatchell “on this”:http://www.guardian.co.uk/cuba/story/0,11983,712621,00.html

bq. The 1979 penal code formally decriminalised homosexuality, but the legal status of lesbian and gay people in Cuba is still ambiguous. Homosexual behaviour causing a “public scandal” can be punished by up to 12 months in jail. Discreet open-air cruising in public squares and parks is tolerated, although often kept under police surveillance. Homosexuals are still deemed unfit to join the Communist party, and this can have an adverse impact on a person’s career when appointments depend on party membership. Lesbian and gay newspapers and organisations are not permitted. The Cuban Association of Gays and Lesbians, formed in 1994, was suppressed in 1997 and its members arrested.

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Nick 10.20.05 at 4:56 pm

But if any society ever had a good reason to suspect that demands for ‘freedom of thought’ are nothing but a powerful covert attempt to destroy the society itself – Cuba’s on the top of the list. Remove the threat first and then demand freedom of thought.

The logic behind that statement is simply incredible , abb1. If the Castro regime cannot withstand the toiling of a few reporters then, well, to jail the reporters must go, I guess.

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Louis Proyect 10.20.05 at 5:05 pm

The Atlanta Journal and Constitution (March 19, 1995) reported:

Because he was gay, Reynaldo Garcia once was ostracized as a member of “La Escoria,” the official Cuban government term for homosexuals, convicts and the mentally ill. It means “the scum.”

Now Garcia can do something he never dreamed would be possible – walk hand in hand down the streets of Havana with his lover of six years without fear of reprisal.

“I never thought I would see this day. It’s a beautiful feeling,” Garcia said. “I feel like people are starting to see us as human beings, like anyone else.” Cuba is backing away from years of discrimination against homosexuals. Once packed off to work on rural farms alongside dissidents and religious Cubans, or nudged into exile, gays have entered a period of tolerance.

===

Bill Berkowitz
WORKINGFORCHANGE July 13, 2001

Viva gay Cuba! Out and married in the increasingly tolerant Communist island

While gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered folks around the world recently finished myriad celebrations of gay pride, an eye-opening report comes from Juan Perez Cabral – dateline Cuba. Cabral writes that while their relatives quietly witnessed, and the neighbors gawked, exercising their curiosity, “two gay male couples made history by publicly holding a gay wedding. Four local boys, Michel and Angel, and Juanito and Alejandro, ranging in ages from 17 to 22, exchanged symbolic vows before their families and friends at a neighborhood recreation center in one of the poorest sections of San Miguel del Padron, a working-class suburb southeast of Havana.”

Full: http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=11550

===

David McReynolds:

Homosexual life. As a homosexual, let me not dodge this. I am told there are gay bars in Havana. I didn’t ask to go – at 71, bars are not that exciting, no matter where they are.(Doubly so for alcoholics who no longer drink!). Yes, a young teen age boy tried to pick me up. At least I think he did – his English was not working and my Spanish is very poor. I assume there is prostitution. You can’t sell tourists on the idea that Havana has a hot night life and lots of beautiful women (and men) without seeing a revival of the sex trade. But are homosexuals repressed? I don’t think so. I was visiting one evening with a gay man who works with the government who asked if I had seen “Gay Cuba”. I hadn’t, he had a copy and put it in his VCR. It was a good video – it documented the genuine repression which had existed not so long ago, and then the sharp change in government policy.

Full: http://www.cc-ds.org/Cuba/mcreynolds.htm

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Nick 10.20.05 at 5:08 pm

Chris, by just talking about the status of homosexuals in Cuba, it almost seems like you’re conceding Louis’ claim: that if a reporter receives funding or training or, well, has anything to do with, say, the National Endowment for Democracy then they deserve to go to jail.

At the root of Louis and abb1’s criticisms seems to be the idea that if freedom of speech endangers a government’s existence then that government is justified in suppressing speech. Well, so long as that government is Cuba. I suppose that they do have a case here: with the massive amounts of resources at its disposal, the US government can afford to create *really convincing arguments*.

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abb1 10.20.05 at 5:09 pm

Nick,
From the AI 2005 report:

By the end of 2004 there were at least 70 prisoners of conscience, most of them held since the 2003 crackdown on the dissident movement. However, 18 prisoners of conscience were released and many were moved to prisons nearer their homes.
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/cub-summary-eng

Apparently there are indeed some journalists among these 70 or so prisoners, but are you sure they were actually arrested for reporting?

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Chris Bertram 10.20.05 at 5:15 pm

Nick,

No I wasn’t conceding anything. I was just trying to highlight the absurdity of his claim that _all_ persecution is of US stooges by giving an example that even he would concede. Seems I was wrong about that since Louis is a veritable Dr Pangloss where Cuba is concerned …. No need to pursue this further I think.

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Helma Bim 10.20.05 at 7:11 pm

abb1, don’t give me this “some say” business in comment 39. What do you say?

I compare Cuba to Taiwan. Taiwan has an extremely powerful hostile neighbor that claims it in its entirety and regularly threatens to kill many of its citizens. It has trouble with diplomatic recognition and can’t even get into the UN. But it is much more free in its political speech and much more socially developed. There are even legal political parties that almost certainly take money from the PRC.

So why is it that Taiwan is so much more free than Cuba? Why can’t Castro loosen the reins, retire, and let someone else run the place? I think the answer is that he doesn’t trust his own people, doesn’t believe in his government’s legitimacy, and is thus stuck in a prison of his own devising.

The embargo is just an excuse for Castro. For that reason alone, we should get rid of it. But I don’t think that is a sufficient excuse for the repression.

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Hektor Bim 10.20.05 at 7:12 pm

Oops, that was me above in comment 46. Should check before posting from my wife’s account.

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Louis Proyect 10.20.05 at 7:30 pm

There is no comparison between Cuba and Taiwan. Taiwan was never invaded by China, as Cuba was during the Bay of Pigs. Taiwan was never the victim of an embargo, as Cuba was and is. Taiwan never had its crops burned, as Cuba did. Taiwan’s head of state was not the target of repeated assassination plots, as Fidel Castro was. Taiwan never had to endure terrorist bombings of its movie theaters, airliners and hotels as Cuba had. In fact, the comparison between Taiwan and Cuba is just ridiculous. I do want to thank Mr. Bim, however, for continuing to demonstrate the political and intellectual shallowness of anti-Communism, a religion that only a clinical psychiatrist can fully explain.

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Randy Paul 10.20.05 at 8:48 pm

What Chris Bertram said about Louis Proyect. I guess HRW,The Committee to Protect Journalists, Human Rights First, and AI are all just tools of the radical right.

“You’re either with us or against us.”

– George W. Bush

“All dissent is opposition. All opposition is counterrevolutionary.”

– Fidel Castro

Peas in a pod.

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abb1 10.21.05 at 2:21 am

Hektor,
like I said: your opinion that it’s only an excuse may very well be correct, but how can we know for sure? Only the US can solve the mystery. And as Louis said it’s not just the embargo, of course, there’s much more than that.

Taiwan is a very different case and even there the true multi-party system became reality – what, about 5-10 years ago? After what – about 50-55 years of fascism? Why do you have so much more patience and understanding there?

Btw, IIRC, Chian Kaishek was replced by his son when he died in the 70s, so there you go.

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Louis Proyect 10.21.05 at 8:41 am

No, HRW,The Committee to Protect Journalists, Human Rights First, and AI are all just tools of the Woodrow Wilsonian left.

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Hektor Bim 10.21.05 at 8:44 am

abb1,

You still haven’t answered the question I put to you. What do you say? Is the repression justified or not?

Yes, but the son in Taiwan was replaced by Lee Teng-hui, and the opening began with him, in 1988. By 1991, the martial law regulations were gone, and things were progressing rapidly. So the thaw in Taiwan really began 17 years ago. There’s nothing comparable in Cuba today. In fact, even under Chiang Ching-Kuo in the 80s there was a strong movement toward political opening and increased Taiwanization of the government.

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Hektor Bim 10.21.05 at 8:57 am

abb1,

I’ve discussed things with you before, and it is pretty clear that you are not interested in real facts beyond your spin and adopted positions. So there is no point in responding to your posts anymore.

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