There were three in the back…

by Harry on June 5, 2006

When little Reginald (as I’m insisting on calling him, Carolina) arrives, we shall have three kids of car-seat-needing size. One will need an infant seat, one a regular seat, and the third a booster. The second could have a booster right now, if necessary. Reg will convert to a regular car seat before the eldest outgrows the need for a seat (at least 2 years unless we stretch her on a rack or something). We have one car, a Toyota Camry.

Can anyone suggest a way of accomodating the three needed seats in the back of a 2002 Camry? We’ve done a good deal of research and can’t figure it out, and are highly resistant for numerous reasons, to exchange the Camry for a van.

One solution, of course, would be to let the eldest out of the car seat prematurely. I’ve calculated that in the 2 years to go she will be driven an a total of 3000 city miles max (almost all of them in daylight and not during rushhour) and exactly 2000 highway miles (those in 2 trips, for each of which we could hire a van). How much is it worth paying to keep her the amount safer that a booster seat makes her (this sounds like a question for Levitt, or Daniel — and the “car seats and booster seats are no safer because no-one installs them properly” gambit won’t work in this case because one thing I have learned as a parent is how to install just about any car seat in just about any car properly [to forestall comment on this, I do know that this is not a fair representation of Levitt’s argument, which is about public policy, and at that level has a ring of plausibility, but I’m interested in individual choice here]).

Anyway, I want an answer to the first question, but the second would be interesting at least.



kharris 06.05.06 at 9:40 am

If the Camry is a life-long car, then do a one-year lease (or whatever length makes sense) of a car that accommodates all the seats, and park the Camry. If the Camry is not a life-long car, face reality. Stop clinging and sell it. Get a car that fits the commitments you have made, or get a really big stroller and leave car trips to the adults.


Aeon J. Skoble 06.05.06 at 9:48 am

Kharris has it right. A Camry is not a family-of-five car, with or without car seats. I know where you’re coming from: my beloved Accord served me well for 12 years, and it hurt to part with it, but when Second Child was born, within a month I had traded it in for a minivan. I recommend the Odyssey, but if you’re a loyal Toyota person, I’m sure you’ll like their Sienna.


Russell Arben Fox 06.05.06 at 10:00 am

Harry, you don’t have to jump all the way from a Camry up to a minivan with three kids. In many ways it might be wise to make the jump, especially if your family tends to pile in the car and take long drives for your vacations, but there are other options. We had a Ford Escort Wagon that lasted us from baby #1 through baby #3. By the time Alison had joined Megan and Caitlyn in the backseat, it was no longer possible–at least not without subjecting our children to serious psychological harm–to do the really long drives; when we went from Arkansas to Ontario to visit friends, for example, we rented a minivan. But for the around-town and, at most, 1-4 hour drives, the Escort worked fine as a family-of-five car. You might want to consider leasing or at least test-driving one, and see what you think.

Now, with four children and happy to stop there, we drive a Toyota Sienna, and hope it’ll last us a good 15 years or so. Maybe, once the family starts to shrink a bit, we’ll go back to an Escort. Man, we loved that car–probably put a 150,000 miles or more on it.


rfs 06.05.06 at 10:33 am

I have to echo the prevailing sentiment: Get the van! Not only will the kids fit, but you can haul stuff like nobody’s business. Mulch, plants, gravel, major appliances, groceries, furniture, bikes, dead bodies, whatever…

I’m projecting, of course. After three years of bending over to try and fit our daughter into the back of the Accord, I think that the savings in future chiropractic bills alone would allow the minivan to pay for itself. So I’m long since past any concern about caving in to suburban middle-classdom: I want a minivan in the worst possible way. In fact, I’m considering trying to start a pro-minivan, so-unhip-it’s-hip movement.


Matt 06.05.06 at 10:44 am

The Camry has a nice sized trunk, doesn’t it? It can’t be much less comfortable or safe to ride back there than it was in the very back of the huge station wagons my family used to trail around in.


Matt 06.05.06 at 10:45 am

Also, with the trunk option you don’t have to hear as much crying and wailing and the like. This works not only for the ride itself but also before and after. “If you don’t shut up you’ll have to ride in the trunk!” I bet it would work great.


JRoth 06.05.06 at 11:04 am

OK, to answer question #1 on its own terms: Are you sure you can’t put the seats on the outside and the booster in the middle? Just yesterday, in my Passat wagon (which I think has to be within an inch or two of the Camry), I fit a visitor’s booster beside my toddler’s seat in the center. There would have been room for another booster on the other side. I don’t know, but it seems plausible, that you could flip that A-B-A arrangement.

Are you using one of those throne-like boosters? Can’t you just use the ones that are, essentially, phone books, with no back? That can’t take up too much room.

If that really doesn’t work, then what about a larger auto? It’s not as if the Camry is the biggest thing out there. To stay in the Toyota family, there’s the Avalon. I’m pretty sure the old Dodge Intrepid, et al, were significantly bigger inside. Chevy Caprice (out of production, but used), Ford Crown Vic…. I suspect that you wouldn’t consider a big American car, but it may be more desirable than a van. And if you buy used and keep it for a couple years until the kids are less encumbered, you can then upgrade to a new Camry or Accord, getting yourself a family car until the eldest goes away to college (which your current Camry will never make).

Oh, and I think you’re right to eschew a van if all your miles are city – they’re just not very good in urban conditions, IMHO.


Have3 06.05.06 at 11:05 am

As a veteran of the car seat wars, may I bring to your attention that once children get to the booster seat stage, they simultaneously acheive the “must bring a friend along stage”. You can hold out against it as long as you want, but life becomes easier when you give in, accept the responsibility for your actions and succumb to the minivan. As unsexy and pedestrian as it is, it’s the right vehicle. Just wait until you put in a dvd-player in the back so that you and your spouse can actually talk on those long drives. Parent heaven.


Kelly 06.05.06 at 11:20 am

Speaking as the eldest of three kids, who had parents who didn’t want to part with their car for a while after we all existed…. please upgrade. You don’t have to get a minivan – look into one of the newer SUVs with good gas mileage, or a hybrid. Anything with more leg and general room, to avoid the squishies with the sibs. Trust me, your kids will thank you for it. And like their sibs a lot better in the process, too.

(I can’t comment on the rest – I’m not a parent, and I’m still mildly surprised at all the things that are deemed necessary for child safety, because as already noted, it’s not stuff we had when I was growing up, and we all ended up fine as can be judged on that particular scale of making it to adulthood safely.)


LizardBreath 06.05.06 at 11:27 am

I would look for minimalist booster seats, as suggested in comment 7, and put the bigger two kids in those (infant in the middle). That should fit. Don’t upgrade if you don’t have to — it sounds like a perfectly good car, and there’s no reason to encourage yourself to drive more than necessary.

(Well, if you have a life that includes a lot of unavoidable 4+ hour drives, then upgrade out of mercy to the kids. Otherwise, they’ll live with being a little cramped.) (And my parents had a VW Bug, so I’ve lived this one from the back seat.)


laura 06.05.06 at 12:03 pm

We’re a Camry family, too. There’s not a whole lot of room between those two carseats. I sometimes take the neighborhood kid and my two kids to CCD. I strap neighbor boy in without the seatbelt. The church is only a couple of blocks away, but he’s complains a lot that he’s smashed in.

The carseat is single handedly responsible for global warming and our reliance on oil from the mideast.


Tom H. 06.05.06 at 12:18 pm

We went to a Volvo wagon when we had our second; it easily fits a third as long as one of them is in the built-in boosters. You have to be careful, though, because a lot of modern wagons are made on narrow bodies and won’t fit three kids across. Once my wife had rejected minivans, we just pulled up all the wagon models we could find on the Internet and rated them by width.

Unfortunately, although it gets 25+ mpg on long trips, it gets 15ish in the city, but until somebody makes a wide hybrid wagon we’ll probably stick with it.


Western Dave 06.05.06 at 12:23 pm

We cried when we gave up the Accord, but our Oddessey actually has a smaller turning radius and gets almost the same gas mileage as the Accord did. No more bumped heads (theirs or mine) getting in and out of the car either. Plus those automatic sliding doors are a lifesaver if you are trying to simultaneously move infant and groceries, and grocery cart. I believe Honda has a hybrid minivan for model year 2007. The Hondas and Toyotas drive great too. Just keep the DVD player secret until the first long car trip.


Jeff R. 06.05.06 at 12:25 pm

It is a pretty tight fit in the back seat of a Camry. It’s hard for an adult to squeeze between two car seats (which due to the need for a buffer zone between the kids requires them to be on opposite sides). Our Camry basically became a 4 seat car. I find easier to put a baby into a minivan with the seat being a little higher and the door opening wider.

As for installing seats, as of 2002 most cars and carseats use the LATCH system (see and scroll down). It is a lot easier but I still have to one put knee in the seat to get it tight enough.

One more thing: a while ago I noticed one of the car seats had an expiration date stamped on it. My guess is the plastic eventually weakens exposure to extreme temperatures.


P-Brane 06.05.06 at 1:46 pm

I might suggest that, apart from noble and indisputable (for fear of being regarded in all kinds of unpleasant light) considerations of child safety, Harry’s familiar predicament begs questions as to the wisdom of Wisconsin’s latest relevant legislation in our current energy situation.

The law requires that children be in a booster until they are (1.) 8yrs old, (2.) 80 pounds in weight, and (3.) 4ft 9in in height.

Harry, you’ll have to buy the larger, likely less fuel efficient vehicle!!



JRoth 06.05.06 at 1:49 pm

It’s not just the plastic, it’s the styrofoam (expanded polystyrene) that degrades. For the same reason, you’re supposed to replace your bike helmet every 2 years – hardly anyone knows that.

That said, the cost/benefit calc for the marginal safety increase from replacing a seat just past its date is pretty easy, I think.


Bro. Bartleby 06.05.06 at 2:14 pm

Ahh, the good old days, when “pile in the kids” had some meaning, and I could sit on Pop’s lap and practice steering!
Then crawl oven the front seat, then on the back seat I could hang out the window just like Spot! Get home just in time to do some cool experiments with my Gilbert Chemistry Set, like pouring zinc over the flame to create some cool fireworks!


P-Brane 06.05.06 at 2:24 pm

C’mon…who hasn’t (twice) been tossed violently from the “way-back” of a 1976 Ford LTD station wagon up against the front bench, landing in a contorted ball on the floor boards??


Anderson 06.05.06 at 2:45 pm

Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Quest mini-van,
Throw in some car seats, I know that You can.
Too many kids, we did not family-plan.
So Lord, won’t you buy me a Quest mini-van?


Tim 06.05.06 at 3:03 pm

I’m really interested to hear the numerous reasons you’re highly resistant to exchanging the Camry for a van.

But my recommendation would be to buy a motorcycle for Mom or Dad to ride for the


Kimmitt 06.05.06 at 3:32 pm

Speaking as a member of a family which once had 3 kids, I really do have to recommend upgrading car size.

To make up for it, I also recommend purchasing a motorcycle for commuting. No particular reason, except that motorcycles are cool.


burritoboy 06.05.06 at 4:00 pm

Fuck ’em. Buy yourself a Porsche, and hitch one of those horse trailers to the back. Pour assorted childrens into the trailer – they’ll love it!


Russell Arben Fox 06.05.06 at 5:01 pm

“Ahh, the good old days, when ‘pile in the kids’ had some meaning, and I could sit on Pop’s lap and practice steering!”

So true, Bro. Bartleby. In our family, it was a huge, old, white and orange GM Suburban. We turned down the seats, played Monopoly, had food fights, stuck our feet out the window, took naps, whatever. We eventually stopped taking long trips in the Suburban, and rented a big RV instead, but for years, when there were five or six or seven of us kids, we’d just rough it in the back and middle seats (I especially liked climbing into the rear tire well, and letting the vibrations send me into a deep sleep), occasionally yelling out a question to mom and dad, who drove us across deserts and forests, completely oblivious to our cries, sitting as they were way up there in the front seat.

Sure, we all would have died horribly in an accident, all mashed up together against the windows. I admit I wouldn’t go without carseats for our kids today. But I also can’t say I don’t miss those days.


teppo 06.05.06 at 5:14 pm

Our solution when we hit three kids was to buy a van (our little honda civic simply could not handle all the car seats…).


Clark 06.05.06 at 5:15 pm

Ditto for long trips across Canada in an old Suburban. I feel pity for my kid who is in a car seat.

I think the anti-SUV folks just don’t realize what it is like to travel with a dog, two kids and luggage long distances. I’d love to have an SUV that had the milage and green impact of a Civic but thus far none have the size I need. And I don’t consider a minivan due to issues of driving through Montana and Alberta in the snow and then the fact we camp a lot.

How do all you east coast people do it? Just not have more than one kid?


Matt 06.05.06 at 5:37 pm

Clark Said, “I don’t consider a minivan due to issues of driving through Montana and Alberta in the snow and then the fact we camp a lot.” Now, I’m not sure that a good SUV gets much worse gas mileage than a minivan. But, this sort of thing always sounds funny to me, since of course people managed to do these things long before SUVs were so common, and not all of them were driving subrbans and the like. If I managed to get around Russian winters in a lada Zhiguli you can manage Alberta in a mini van. Probably the SUV is better- but sometimes people talk as if life could not possibly have gone on w/o them, and that’s just nuts, of course.


teppo 06.05.06 at 5:56 pm

My honda odyssey gets a quite respectable 28 miles to the gallon highway, 20 in the city – not too bad (compared to SUVs, which also are smaller). Undoubtedly honda vans will also soon be hybrids, perhaps some even four-wheel drive – thus meeting all your requirements.


Thomas 06.05.06 at 6:48 pm

I agree with everyone else, even though we’re all fighting the question. Ditch the Camry, even though it’s a great car. If you want to avoid getting a true minivan (which is understandable; they’re bulky and expensive) why not something like the Mazda5? It’s a very small van but has room for 6. Not sure it would work, but might be worth looking into.


Little Heroes 06.05.06 at 6:56 pm

Sorry, I don’t think there’s no way to get a booster, car seat, and bucket into the back of a Camry. We could jam them into a 2003 Camry, but the doors wouldn’t close properly and the belts wouldn’t latch so we never did it. They simply won’t fit if they’re installed properly.

If you are willing, you can remove the airbags from the passenger side and put the booster up front if the booster has a clip that will keep the seat belt low enough on your kid. Then you can put two seats and a passenger in back. No way I would do it, but at least then the airbags won’t kill him/her or cause massive damage. Theoretically, w/ the booster that’s not much less safe than the rear seat. People do that w/ two-passenger cars and 911-type coupes that won’t accomodate seats in the rear.

That’s most likely illegal, though.


nick s 06.05.06 at 7:21 pm

Roof rack. You don’t necessarily need to swap out for a minivan, though: the Mazda5 and the Volvo estate are pretty good for seating small uns and don’t drink the juice.


Dr. Free-Ride 06.05.06 at 7:26 pm

Our Prius has room for three minor-seating-devices in the back, provided they are not of the widest profile available. (A child seat that’s narrow enough for airplane seats is what I’m thinking here — Century made the one we had, when we had kids that age.)

Resist those minivan suggestions! Provided the posteriors of the children allow, it should be possible to find narrow enough seats and boosters to work out the backseat topology.


vivian 06.05.06 at 8:47 pm

I remember reading about a child vest-mounted belt positioner to replace booster seats. Looked interesting, but not sure which states would outlaw it. We finally bit the bullet and traded the VW GTI for an Odyssey about three driving days ago to accommodate child seats and aging relatives. It’s a serious jolt to my self-image, and I fear parallel-parking it, but it’s also really convenient, flexible, reliable, carries a lot of stuff, etc. We looked into the Ford Freestyle (seats six, more inner room than the Volvo made on the same platform) also, which ought to work for you. A friend swears by the new Scion for her two kids plus friends. But the point is that upgrading is not necessarily sinful or wasteful, and might be greener than you think. And you can still encourage walking, biking and whatever other good habits having too small a car would force upon you.


Jake 06.05.06 at 9:59 pm

When I was a kid, we had a Colt Vista wagon. It had three rows of seats but (I think) got better milage than a Camry. Do they make anything like that anymore? Great little car.

That said, I’ll chime in with the rethink-the-van camp. Not only can you carry all the kids easily, you can add an extra person or two as well.

Or you could get one of these:

Add a Burley trailer and/or one of those kid seats on the back and you could take the whole family. Hell of a lot cheaper than the Odyssey.


derrida derider 06.05.06 at 10:42 pm

Having a small car with 3 kids is not only a pain when they’re little and in booster seats – it becomes a pain again when they reach their teens and start to really need some space. Get a minivan.

On greenness, it’s interesting that the 6 cylinder box-like Odyssey they sell in the US is completely different from, and much inferior to, the 4 cylinder car-like one they sell in the rest of the world. And the 4 cylinder one actually has more interior space, too. Go look up a UK or Australian Honda site and you’ll see what I mean.


lalala 06.05.06 at 11:32 pm

My extraordinarily hip friends got a minivan when they hit 2 kids, and have been thrilled ever since at having a car that could carry them, the kids, a couple of friends, and instruments including, at a minimum, an electric guitar, an acoustic guitar, and a banjo.


anon 06.06.06 at 1:58 am

You may not realize how many carpools and school field trips you are destined to drive in a short number of years. Get a station wagon, minivan (I echo the preference of others for this option. Some get remarkably good mileage) or SUV.


HK 06.06.06 at 6:07 am

“I think the anti-SUV folks just don’t realize what it is like to travel with a dog, two kids and luggage long distances.”

Perhaps not, but I do know that no-one is forcing you to travel with a dog, two kids and luggage long distances.

“The church is only a couple of blocks away, but he’s complains a lot that he’s smashed in.”

A couple of blocks? Why the hell didn’t you save yourself the trouble and walk?

I can’t believe I’m reading this in a post on CT. I know I’m fighting a losing battle getting people to give up their cars completely (although I manage just fine without one, thank you), but there’s reasonable justification and then there’s simple laziness.


98dodgecaravan 06.06.06 at 6:28 am

Don’t fight it. Embrace it. Buy a minivan.


Western Dave 06.06.06 at 7:53 am

Back when I was single I had a mini-van and traipsed (Plymouth Voyager). I traipsed all over the Navajo reservation’s dirt roads for two years through mud and snow and never got stuck. It was front wheel drive and with the engine being over the front wheels, it handled beautifully. I never understood the “I won’t drive a mini-van” backlash. Those cars will go anywhere and are super-flexible. And I always feel manly in a “look I have procreated and proved my genetic manliness” sort of way when I drive one.

HK – we are a one car family. I suspect many people on this list are the same. I’m wondering: how do you get a week’s worth of groceries home for four people without a car?


Christy the librarian 06.06.06 at 9:14 am

Whatever you decide, do your homework and check Consumer Reports,, or the Kelly Blue Book ( My family needed cargo space, headroom, comfortable seating for 5-7 adults/kids, safety, and good fuel economy. We replaced our van and bought a Toyota Highlander Hybrid.


SamChevre 06.06.06 at 10:05 am

You could always go with a classic–an early 80’s Chevy Impala (or Caprice–pretty much the same car.) You can fit 6 adults in, easily; any mechanic can work on it, and any junkyard has parts; and with a 350 and a 4-barrel carb, it will fly (these were common street drag cars in my old neighborhood).

If you want something newer, I’ll second the “don’t rule out the mini-van” group–my Toyota pickup gets better gas mileage than a Camry, and I think the minivans are built on the same frame and engine.


No Nym 06.06.06 at 10:34 am

teppo said: “Our solution when we hit three kids was to buy a van”

I take it the sedan was totaled?


HK 06.06.06 at 11:02 am

“HK – we are a one car family. I suspect many people on this list are the same. I’m wondering: how do you get a week’s worth of groceries home for four people without a car?”

Two people, backpack each, bag in each hand if necessary. I did this for a year for a house of six adults. Very rarely we would get home delivery for items too large to carry.


Tim 06.06.06 at 11:41 am

get rid of the car if you dare (and if you think convincing your wife of “Reginald” is hard, try to say a car’s unnecessary!).


serial catowner 06.06.06 at 1:22 pm

Maybe the saddest thing here would be the kids, imprinted like ducklings with automobile travel, but doomed to watch the private car disappear like the dinosaurs in their lifetimes.

Well, at least the decision-making process of buying a car (and believe me, I understand that your requirements are entirely unique) will serve as a handy guide in later life.


alan 06.06.06 at 4:34 pm

“I think the anti-SUV folks just don’t realize what it is like to travel with a dog, two kids and luggage long distances.”
Must be the dog that takes up the space. We manage to travel quite long distances with two kids and camping gear – Ottawa to Nova Scotia last year, Ottawa to Newfoundland the year before – in a Subaru Impreza. Bigger than a Civic but quite a bit smaller than a big SUV. A dog of any size would have been a bit of a squeeze though. Actually the SUVs I’ve been in, although large on the outside, didn’t seem to be particularly roomy.


Spoon 06.06.06 at 6:27 pm

Car Talk had a question on this subject a couple months back. Click and Clack told the woman to buy a minivan.

My mom often bemoans the fact that, though our minivan is useful lots of the time, it gets bad gas mileage when she’s driving (by herself) to work. My suggestion is that you and yours grab the first hybrid minivan that comes down the road and don’t look back.


Cala 06.06.06 at 9:27 pm

My parents, with four kids, did fine with a large family station wagon and an assortment of large sedans. If you’re deadset against a minivan, a station wagon would be a good choice.

My mother would have loved a minivan, though. They were the vehicles of choice among the mommy set in the late 80s.


Emma 06.06.06 at 10:45 pm

I’m shocked at the level of support for the idea that a mini-van is required once you have children you want to drive around. My family used to do long road trips, including lots of camping, with 2 adults and 3 children in a sedan. It wasn’t that long ago, but maybe people think they need more space now than they used to? After all, a sedan still has a boot/trunk and if pressed the floor of the car before your children’s legs are long enough to touch the floor.

But I think one car seat and one booster was the most we had at one time, so can’t help you there Harry.


Helen 06.06.06 at 10:49 pm

Sorry for coming in late –
once children get to the booster seat stage, they simultaneously acheive the “must bring a friend along stage”. You can hold out against it as long as you want, but life becomes easier when you give in…

Yep. The fact that all three of your children require car seats tells me you have three children who are all still very young. You aren’t prepared for what will happen when the kids reach kinder / school age. It makes it easier for YOU if you can bring friends along (1) to keep your own kids out of your hair, and (2) to reciprocate when other people have entertained your kids, and/or to amass brownie points to get your kids entertained later so you can do something.

If you can’t do this, you and they will be pretty much socially stymied.

I don’t really get this idea of the van as a suburban and bourgeois vehicle. Having played in bands for many years, to me they are redolent of my wilder years. Ah-me. Back to the corporate grind.


loren king 06.06.06 at 11:13 pm

Western Dave: “I’m wondering: how do you get a week’s worth of groceries home for four people without a car?

Like HK, we usually walk the half-mile or so to the local grocer (often with both kids: one in a stroller or wagon, the other in his backback). We pack the groceries in a big backback for one of us to carry, and the rest get packed in the bottom of the stroller or the other side of the wagon (depending which we brought).


harry b 06.07.06 at 7:20 am

Thanks for all the helpful (and in some cases unhelpful) suggestions — we think we’ve got it sorted out but won’t know for a while. IF so, I’ll post.

My resistance to the minivan is completely about trasnition costs/expense. In fact my elder girl is 9, my younger 5, so they are not tiny, but the recommendations are that the 9 year old remain in a booster till she’s 4 foot 9 which is not for at least a couple more years. Part of the resistance to switching is irritation that it will only be a problem for a relatively brief period.

We’re also a one-car family, and have been so since before our second was born (in fact we went through a 9 month period of being a no car family, but that was in the UK — I can’t imagine organising our lives around not having a car here, at least while we both have jobs and the bus service is as bad as it is).

If we do go the van route (which I think now we shan’t have to) I’ll review all the van suggestions here — very useful.

I’m inspired now to discuss the car seat law issue raised by Levitt, in a separate post.


Western Dave 06.07.06 at 9:27 am

Thanks for the bit of advice. (HK your system doesn’t allow for someone transporting kids). I have a pretty sturdy intermal frame pack that I took on week-long backpacks. It can probably hold a decent percentage of groceries. But not everything. We do walk to a local fruit and vegetable stand in the summer. Our biggest problem is the closest non-disgusting supermarket is three miles away and the local mass transit agency doesn’t take kindly to wagons on the bus. Indeed, they don’t even like strollers on the bus, which is super-annoying. To be carless with a family in my city unless you live in one of the few ritzy neighborhoods, is to be condemned to eating near-rotten, over-priced, and overprocessed food. There are some very good organizations working on food equity issues but they have a long row to hoe.


siefert10 06.08.06 at 2:22 pm

We fit 3 car seats into honda civic four door in US and into Opel Astra in Europe. Trick is not to use the bulky bases and just use the seatbelts. My suggestion is take your car to a store with lots of car seats and mix and match until they all fit.

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